Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[RoboRiise]

But it's much easier to pretend the insult of cretin is too much. Next you'll be claiming I've bricked your office window live on BBC.

You'll fit in with the side you've taken.

 

I didn't pretend it was too much.  It isn't, it's nothing, just some words on a screen intended to get a rise out of me.  I said I can't be arsed with it.

[dennis tooth]

Its going to be quite sometime whatever the outcome before any Labour party takes a look beyond its own borders and see the wasteland the Tories are creating, Suddenly David fucking Davies is in a position affect the lives of every individual in the country and no cunt is asking who the fuck voted for this

That sort of attitude will spread once they start all the upheaval of leaving the eu and house and pension values drop etc

[Jairzinho]

To be fair Jairz, you couldn't handpick a more useless bunch of meffs than them three. Hopefully May is the same.

 

I think they were probably fairly representative of most MPs. The house is full of people that lack intelligence, knowledge, and any oratory skills.

[dennis tooth]

I didn't pretend it was too much. It isn't, it's nothing, just some words on a screen intended to get a rise out of me. I said I can't be arsed with it.

It's intended to discuss your motives for what you say as I don't grasp your logic.

I'm fine with it I was just checking I hadn't missed something.

[kalasoma]

The frequency with which the Tories and some in the media have made comparisons between May and Thatcher is astounding. As much as I despised Thatcher, if you make the comparison often enough, people will start to believe that May is a good as her. Of course, she hasn't done anything yet and she wasn't elected, but don't let that get in the way of the narrative.

 

Meanwhile, Corbyn is perceived as weaker for not being able to control his own party rebellion. I can see how the polls would land heavily in favour of May being seen as a better PM, without anyone ever having questioned why.

[Yozzer]

I think they were probably fairly representative of most MPs. The house is full of people that lack intelligence, knowledge, and any oratory skills.

 

I think it might be an endemic problem within the Labour Party, hence why we've had the strange situation of people eulogising over Hilary Benn and Kinnock speeches recently despite them being empty of pretty much any substance or facts.

[dennis tooth]

She's deliberately dressing like her with the necklace and everything.

More of a sign of desperately projecting authority.

[Scooby Dudek]

Shocked to read this about our Free and independent press;

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html

 

Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views, LSE study finds

Academics at LSE analysed months of newspaper articles about the Labour leader

 

Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn in the first months of his leadership either distorted or failed to represent his actual views on subjects, a study has found.

Academics at the London School of Economics analysed the content of eight national newspapers between 1 September and 1 November 2015, when Mr Corbyn was first elected.

The media researchers found that in 52 per cent of articles about the Labour leader, his own views were not included – while in a further 22 per cent they were “present but taken out of context” or otherwise distorted.

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In just 15 per cent of 812 articles analysed, Mr Corbyn’s views were present but challenged, and in only 11 per cent were they present without alteration.

“Our analysis shows that Corbyn was thoroughly delegitimised as a political actor from the moment he became a prominent candidate and even more so after he was elected as party leader,” Dr Bart Cammaerts, the project director concluded.

“These results relating to sources and ‘voice’ are evidently troublesome from a democratic perspective.

“Allowing an important and legitimate political actor, ie the leader of the main opposition party, to develop their own narrative and have a voice in the public space is paramount in a democracy. 

 

“Denying such an important political actor a voice or distorting his views and ideas through the exercise of mediated power is highly problematic.”

Examples given by the researchers of distortions include one incident in which Mr Corbyn was presented as having criticised commemorations of the First World War in a 2013 speech.

The newspaper included in the study were The Sun, The Daily Express, The Daily Telegraph, The Daily Mail, the Evening Standard, the Independent, the Daily Mirror and the Guardian.

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In terms of tone, fewer than 10 per cent of articles were judged by the researchers to be positive, while more than half were antagonistic or critical. Around a third had a neutral tone.

28 per cent of articles analysed were based on anti-Corbyn Labour party sources, while 23 per cent were based on pro-Corbyn sources.

Mr Corbyn’s supporters have been highly critical of media coverage around the Labour leader, judging it to be overwhelmingly hostile.

 

The Labour leader has himself also hit out at the media, banning journalists from asking him questions at the front door of his home.

“We have a party under attack from much of the media in this country like it has never been under attack before,” he said in May

[Scooby Dudek]

I certainly agree regarding the Guardian types,. I think the genie is out of the bottle a bit though due to the last 12 months. Enough people know how to check voting records, etc. Nobody to the left of Tim Farron would vote for Chuka. 

 

There is another black, intelligent, engaging politician that could lead the Labour party...

I always thought I was the only Diane Abbot fan. 

[Jairzinho]

I think it might be an endemic problem within the Labour Party, hence why we've had the strange situation of people eulogising over Hilary Benn and Kinnock speeches recently despite them being empty of pretty much any substance or facts.

 

15 years of Blair gutting the party. Hence it now being composed of the 60+ year old Socialists that survived the period, a few decent new MPs from the last election, and the bulk are fucking zombies.

[Jairzinho]

I always thought I was the only Diane Abbot fan. 

 

We've already established that I was, obviously, referring to Purple Aki.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

To be fair Jairz, you couldn't handpick a more useless bunch of meffs than them three. Hopefully May is the same.

I don't know about Smith, but Eagle operates on a Pritti Patel level.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The frequency with which the Tories and some in the media have made comparisons between May and Thatcher is astounding. As much as I despised Thatcher, if you make the comparison often enough, people will start to believe that May is a good as her. Of course, she hasn't done anything yet and she wasn't elected, but don't let that get in the way of the narrative.

1.  Is a Tory

2.  Is Prime Minister

3.  Claims not to have a cock

4.  ...

[kalasoma]

1.  Is a Tory

2.  Is Prime Minister

3.  Claims not to have a cock

4.  ...

 

...reeks of formaldehyde

[Kevin D]

Who's Coberyn? Sounds like a Game of thrones character. I'm the Lucas of the forum. You're never getting rid of me.

I can't be the only one sick of the cheeky cunt, please fuck him off, or stick him in Coventry.

 

I'm always happy to donate to the forum, but I'm not going to pay money to let this arsehole chat utter shite.

[Dr Nowt]

I think it might be an endemic problem within the Labour Party, hence why we've had the strange situation of people eulogising over Hilary Benn and Kinnock speeches recently despite them being empty of pretty much any substance or facts.

You are aware that Kinnock banged his fist on a table?

 

Some say more than once.

[kalasoma]

Something for the kids

 

[Section_31]

Out of curiosity,why do people think he is unelectable if the general population,some Tories included,agree with most of his policies?

I reckon,as Dennis says a few posts back,that they reckon he actually has a great chance of winning a GE and thats the real reason he is constantly being smeared. OMG,a true Socialist in charge of the Labour Party,we cant have that!

I don't think it's about him being unelectable because of the way he looks or acts etc, I think that's a bit of a straw man, for me the issue is quite simply that three quarters of his troops won't follow him. That's all she wrote, the rest is all guesswork.

 

[Barrington Womble]

Something for the kids

 

I miss spitting image. They'd have an absolute field day with the cunts these days. There's a thing on radio 4 on a Friday at the moment which I can't remember the name of, follows the spitting image style. The current series started around the referendum and it's been cracking.

[Kevin D]

I don't think it's about him being unelectable because of the way he looks or acts etc, I think that's a bit of a straw man, for me the issue is quite simply that three quarters of his troops won't follow him. That's all she wrote, the rest is all guesswork.

An unamed Army General said to one of the broadsheets that their might be a coup if Corbyn was elected.

 

I strongly believe in freedom of speech, but I think the newspaper should have been compelled to reveal their source, you can't have mutiny, sedition and treason be acceptable thoughts and plans.

[Kant]

I miss spitting image. They'd have an absolute field day with the cunts these days. There's a thing on radio 4 on a Friday at the moment which I can't remember the name of, follows the spitting image style. The current series started around the referendum and it's been cracking.

Yep. Been thinking that for years.

[SammyAftershave]

I miss spitting image. They'd have an absolute field day with the cunts these days. There's a thing on radio 4 on a Friday at the moment which I can't remember the name of, follows the spitting image style. The current series started around the referendum and it's been cracking.

 

Dead Ringers?

 

[Barrington Womble]

Dead Ringers?

Yeah, that's the one. It's been funny the last few weeks.

[King Emlyn]

The more I think about this the happier I am that Corbyn came along, I think the lance has to be boiled, the party should split once and for all. Let's have a new party formed so that there is a clear choice, no more politicking and hiding behind tactics at the cost of true beliefs, let's have a clear choice, left right or centre, no more bollocks just clear choices. The Labour Party needs to split.

[magicrat]

The more I think about this the happier I am that Corbyn came along, I think the lance has to be boiled, the party should split once and for all. Let's have a new party formed so that there is a clear choice, no more politicking and hiding behind tactics at the cost of true beliefs, let's have a clear choice, left right or centre, no more bollocks just clear choices. The Labour Party needs to split.

Timing could have been better,

A functional Labour party would have been nice during the referendum. The Tories will have burned the place down by the time Labour turn up with the fire brigade