Another US Shooting

[Rico1304]

They don't have to be resourceful now though. This was some dickhead who could just walk in a shop and buy the equipment easily.

 

This is Obama from a couple of weeks ago and is pretty spooky

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSEoVkl0W30&feature=youtu.be

I think we are both arguing the same point. American gun laws are mental, they need control (they are never going to give them up). Obama talks sense there, but some on here deny the existence of the fundamentalist element.

[Anubis]

It will be interesting to watch the amount of outrage and faux-sympathy given towards the LBGT community, from Republican politicians who have overseen a raft of draconian anti LBGT legislation, particularly across Southern states.

[Rico1304]

His motive could've been loads of things, we don't really know yet. It looks most likely that he's just a fundamentalist that hates gays, but he could be a closet gay himself. Maybe he couldn't live with himself for being gay and decided to go full potato in a nightclub. 

 

What's clear though is he owned an assault rifle which would've been nigh on impossible to attain here, he walked in strapped like John Rambo and that is firmly the fault of America and their unfathomably stupid gun laws.

This is what amazes me every fucking time. If this had been a white guy who was into White Power would a single person be saying 'we don't know the facts' or would we all be saying his beliefs are fucked and he's a cunt?

[Anubis]

I think we are both arguing the same point. American gun laws are mental, they need control (they are never going to give them up). Obama talks sense there, but some on here deny the existence of the fundamentalist element.

People don't deny the existence of a fundamentalist element. It's that most of us have a nuanced view and realise that there are outside factors which fuel the growth of fundamentalism and radicalisation, which you don't share. Stop misrepresenting people.

[ZonkoVille77]

The best way to deal with this is to allow everyone to carry grenades.

[Rico1304]

People don't deny the existence of a fundamentalist element. It's that most of us have a nuanced view and realise that there are outside factors which fuel the growth of fundamentalism and radicalisation, which you don't share. Stop misrepresenting people.

I'm sure you share the same nuanced view of the right wing nazi dicks who turned up in Liverpool the other month.

[Mook]

His motive could've been loads of things, we don't really know yet. It looks most likely that he's just a fundamentalist that hates gays, but he could be a closet gay himself. Maybe he couldn't live with himself for being gay and decided to go full potato in a nightclub.

 

What's clear though is he owned an assault rifle which would've been nigh on impossible to attain here, he walked in strapped like John Rambo and that is firmly the fault of America and their unfathomably stupid gun laws.

Hang on, he's killed 50 people with a spud gun?

[Strontium]

This is what amazes me every fucking time. If this had been a white guy who was into White Power would a single person be saying 'we don't know the facts' or would we all be saying his beliefs are fucked and he's a cunt?

 

And on the same tip, would anyone be crying about all the innocent white power enthusiasts who are going to suffer reprisals because of one murderer within their number.

[Rico1304]

Apparently the US makes up 4.5% of the world's population but has 42% of the world's guns. Mental.

[moof]

And on the same tip, would anyone be crying about all the innocent white power enthusiasts who are going to suffer reprisals because of one murderer within their number.

Because all Muslims are Isis?

[Rico1304]

Because all Muslims are Isis?

Jesus, are we here again? It's like Groundhog Day.

 

Muslims - ok

Islamists - not ok

Jihadis - not ok

[Anubis]

I'm sure you share the same nuanced view of the right wing nazi dicks who turned up in Liverpool the other month.

Is that the best you can come up with? No, obviously, I can't. Because I'm incapable of understanding how somebody's poor education, social background, and life experiences can be manipulated into radicalising them into a cause. Even a neo-nazi one.

[Rico1304]

Is that the best you can come up with? No, obviously, I can't. Because I'm incapable of understanding how somebody's poor education, social background, and life experiences can be manipulated into radicalising them into a cause. Even a neo-nazi one.

Look, I admire your dedication to the protection of minorites, but what if the views of the minority are horrific?

[Rico1304]

Is that the best you can come up with? No, obviously, I can't. Because I'm incapable of understanding how somebody's poor education, social background, and life experiences can be manipulated into radicalising them into a cause. Even a neo-nazi one.

Also, check out the demographic of most of the 'home grown' terrorists. Middle class, university educated etc.

[Anubis]

What are you talking about? Are you deliberately trying to be a dickhead? I think you are.

[Rico1304]

What are you talking about? Are you deliberately trying to be a dickhead? I think you are.

Oh well, never mind.

[Boss]

This is what amazes me every fucking time. If this had been a white guy who was into White Power would a single person be saying 'we don't know the facts' or would we all be saying his beliefs are fucked and he's a cunt?

 

His beliefs are fucked and he is a cunt, it's just we have a lot of people like that in our own country. They can't just walk into a nightclub with an AR-15, a glock and whatever other military spec weapons they want and blow everyone to kingdom come though. That's the fundamental issue.

[Boss]

Hang on, he's killed 50 people with a spud gun?

 

 

He was carrying the original Spudinator 4000, with reinforced plastic barrel and individually grooved finger slots. He was firing high velocity jersey royal rounds at will. They didn't stand a chance. 

[Dr Nowt]

Surely the fact there's little to no surprise at news of mass shootings in America each time they happen tells it's own story.

 

If someone bowled into a club or school in the UK and shot fifty people dead everyone would be amazed, it would be shocking due to it's rarity as well as it's horror.

 

People still know the names of Michael Ryan and Thomas Hamilton in this country. How many will remember this guy's name in a year or two?

[VladimirIlyich]

 

He was carrying the original Spudinator 4000, with reinforced plastic barrel and individually grooved finger slots. He was firing high velocity jersey royal rounds at will. They didn't stand a chance.

Straight out of the Daily Mash.

[cloggypop]

Good job this other loon in LA was caught before he did anything

 

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

 

Despite it being a planned attack on a gay parade the two incidents don't seem to be related.

[cloggypop]

[Carvalho Diablo]

But to get one of these you need to have a rectal examination.

[Paulie Dangerously]

Owen Jones walked out of a live paper round up on Sky after they refused to agree with him that this was a homophobic crime.

 

Was bizarre, Sky pushing their ISLAMUSLIMENTALIST angle and Jones visibly upset at their refusal to even consider it was an attack on gays specifically and not just western people having fun

[SasaS]

I honestly don't understand why does it matter so much, if he decided to act as a lone wolf for ISIS, that he picked gays as target. Wouldn't he, by declaring allegiance to them, take himself out of the Western / US antigay context? What did Jones say, did the guy have a history of belonging to American anti-gay groups, movements, previous incidents with hate crimes against gay people?