Remembrance Day

[George Costanza]

someone should probably tell Asad Ullah, that once the Nazi's had finished exterminating the Jew race, he'd be next up for extermination. maybe the cunt should think twice before opening his ill educated gob. in fact he should fuck off out the country if thats how he feels.

[Stu Monty]

someone should probably tell Asad Ullah, that once the Nazi's had finished exterminating the Jew race, he'd be next up for extermination. maybe the cunt should think twice before opening his ill educated gob. in fact he should fuck off out the country if thats how he feels.

 

Yeah, how would he like it if people were occupying their lands and committing war-crimes against them...oh.

 

The Muslims didn't need Nazis to be around to become the new Jew.

[Master Bates]

Stu Monty

 

I didn't have you particularly in mind when I mentioned the left's love affair with Islam. You can probably tell from the details by my username that I am a newcomer to this forum and so I haven't had time to acquaint myself with your no doubt respectable views on things in general. I think I can detect though that you are a person with whom reasonable discussion is possible without deteriorating into a slanging match.

 

You ought to take a little more time though to inform yourself about Islam. It does not present itself only as a religion for private individuals. It does also represent itself as a complete system of political, social and economic governance.

 

But I do fail to see why either agreement or disagreement with Islam's claims on behalf of itself should be described as racist, as they have been done in this thread, though not by yourself I hasten to add.

[Magic Sponge]

So Magic Sponge, just tell me straight then.

 

Is it racist to disapprove of Islam's doctrines, or is it just ''frightfully close'' to being racist?

 

And what about Christianity, Scientology, Mormonism, Communism. Conservatism? Could disapproval of their doctrines be characterised as racist or frightfully close to racist too?

 

No it's not but stating that any particular believe is nothing more than down to "brainwashing", is.

[Stu Monty]

No it's not but stating that any particular believe is nothing more than down to "brainwashing", is.

 

Religion is brainwashing, as unpalatable as that might be to a lot of people it's true.

 

Funny how those same people's opinions change if some Koresh type convinces people he's a god and is going to take them to mars in his magic rowing boat. Then it's brainwashing.

 

Saying it's brainwashing isn't racist but a lot of comment when talking about can very comfortably slide into racism.

[Master Bates]

I agree with you Stu that religion can be called brainwashing. But I think I would prefer to call the religious tutoring of very young children as indoctrination.

 

It can be religious or political or social. I can't help feeling it must be better to allow children to grow into adolescents and develop their own beliefs based on their own experiences.

 

But of all the ideologies I observe in the world today, the one whose indoctrination is most pernicious in my opinion is Islam. And if you get called a racist for saying so, that is a sign of your accuser's intellectual infirmity.

[Section_31]

Religion is brainwashing, as unpalatable as that might be to a lot of people it's true.

 

Funny how those same people's opinions change if some Koresh type convinces people he's a god and is going to take them to mars in his magic rowing boat. Then it's brainwashing.

 

Saying it's brainwashing isn't racist but a lot of comment when talking about can very comfortably slide into racism.

 

That's a sweeping generalisation Stu. As you yourself said religion is a tool which can be wielded for good or bad. Because you don't value religion you'll tend to notice the negative aspects. Religion can be nothing more than a code of ethics like any other, some would argue that the New Testament was as close to a proto-socialist agenda as you can get.

[Stu Monty]

That's a sweeping generalisation Stu. As you yourself said religion is a tool which can be wielded for good or bad. Because you don't value religion you'll tend to notice the negative aspects. Religion can be nothing more than a code of ethics like any other, some would argue that the New Testament was as close to a proto-socialist agenda as you can get.

 

True, it is a tool, but if we're talking about the belief in an interventionist god then I'm afraid we are talking an individual who has been indoctrinated (which is, I'll admit, a far better word). Young children are programmed to believe what their parents tell them by natural selection (kids that question the advice about not swimming with crocs or sitting in the fire don't pass those shit genes on) and unfortunately that is taken advantage of by their elders.

 

Even those who decide to do positive things under the guise of religion have still been indoctrinated. I'm not saying religon brainwashes for good or bad, just that it brainwashes.

 

If my kids grow up worshiping Keith the all powerful Gibbon then it won't be something they've come to believe on their own terms.

[Jose Jones]

 

If my kids grow up worshiping Keith the all powerful Gibbon then it won't be something they've come to believe on their own terms.

 

I drove to Adelaide a few weeks back and we stopped at the town of Keith in South Australia on the way, named, obviously, in honour of the greater glory of Keith.

 

Home to the the Keith Institute (towards the greater study of Keith) the Keith War Memorial (remembering the simian God-wars following the fall of the monkey titans soon after earth began) and of course the town was located on the spot of Keith’s last miracle on Earth.

 

The Land Rover on a pole.

 

 

 

 

[Hermes]

If Monty is so unhappy about living in one of the richest, most democratic, less corrupt, free countries in the world you wonder why he hasn't emigrated to a socialist utopia that he dreams about.

[Jose Jones]

If Monty is so unhappy about living in one of the richest, most democratic, less corrupt, free countries in the world you wonder why he hasn't emigrated to a socialist utopia that he dreams about.

 

UN Best countries to live in statistical shit list:

 

1. Norway

2. Australia

3. New Zealand

4. United States

5. Ireland

6. Liechtenstein

7. Netherlands

8. Canada

9. Sweden

10. Germany

11. Japan

12. Korea (Republic of)

13. Switzerland

14. France

15. Israel

16. Finland

17. Iceland

18. Belgium

19. Denmark

20. Spain

21. Hong Kong, China (SAR)

22. Greece

23. Italy

24. Luxembourg

25. Austria

26. United Kingdom

27. Singapore

28. Czech Republic

29. Slovenia

30. Andorra

 

UK and Hermes fail.

[a stoner]

Pleased I didn'te get into this thread at all.

 

*Backs away quietly*

[Stu Monty]

If Monty is so unhappy about living in one of the richest, most democratic, less corrupt, free countries in the world you wonder why he hasn't emigrated to a socialist utopia that he dreams about.

 

He isn't, you massive fucking retard, he just holds it to higher standards than you do. He's just aware that his freedom and wealth comes at a great cost to other people.

 

People like me down the years are the reason you have those freedoms you cretin: "If Pankhurst and Paine don't like it then why don't they just fuck off?"

 

That's beside the point that there is no socialist utopia on the planet. The planet is a globalised capitalist one and you can bet that any attempt to try out socialism will be opposed aggresively in case it works, see cuba for an example, and even with pretty much the whole world trying to destroy what they are trying the still manage very respectable heatlth and education statistics. Imagine what they might be able to do if the rest of the world gave them more of a chance?

[Cardie]

A lad I work with is packing his whole life and family up and fucking off to Aus. Says he's pissed off at shit like this where all and sundry think they can come to the UK, hurl abuse at our way of life, want their own 'sharia' law etc introduced for them.

 

He's had enough. Cant say I blame him either.

 

Can't be the only one who laughed at the response to people 'coming over 'ere' was to go over there.

 

I shall protests about immigrants by becoming one.

[Hermes]

He isn't, you massive fucking retard, he just holds it to higher standards than you do. He's just aware that his freedom and wealth comes at a great cost to other people.

 

People like me down the years are the reason you have those freedoms you cretin: "If Pankhurst and Paine don't like it then why don't they just fuck off?"

 

That's beside the point that there is no socialist utopia on the planet. The planet is a globalised capitalist one and you can bet that any attempt to try out socialism will be opposed aggresively in case it works, see cuba for an example, and even with pretty much the whole world trying to destroy what they are trying the still manage very respectable heatlth and education statistics. Imagine what they might be able to do if the rest of the world gave them more of a chance?

 

People like you?? You're having a laugh. If the country had been full of people like you we'd be speaking German. And Cuba?? Is that your utopia? Try speaking out against the Government there, you'd have been locked up or murdered by Castro like loads of others have been.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

People like you?? You're having a laugh. If the country had been full of people like you we'd be speaking German. And Cuba?? Is that your utopia? Try speaking out against the Government there, you'd have been locked up or murdered by Castro like loads of others have been.

 

You are genuinely mental. Repped for being utterly bananas.

[Hermes]

You are genuinely mental. Repped for being utterly bananas.

 

You don't think Cuban dissidents have been imprisoned and murdered?

[Guest San Don]

Can't be the only one who laughed at the response to people 'coming over 'ere' was to go over there.

 

I shall protests about immigrants by becoming one.

 

Whoooosh! Unfortunately, you and one or two others completely jumped to the wrong conclusion. But no surprise there.

 

He doesnt have a problem with immigration. In fact, his wife is one of the people you sneeringly refer to as 'coming over 'ere.'

 

His point is that some people who come to this country do so but then fail to integrate into our society. He doesnt object to their religion. But he does have grave concerns with people wanting to introduce such things as sharia law, he does have concerns about whole schools in our country where English is not the first language.

 

He has other reasons as well including the general decline in law and order in the country but no doubt, you and others will see it purely the way you want ie anti immigration per se.

[Section_31]

True, it is a tool, but if we're talking about the belief in an interventionist god then I'm afraid we are talking an individual who has been indoctrinated (which is, I'll admit, a far better word). Young children are programmed to believe what their parents tell them by natural selection (kids that question the advice about not swimming with crocs or sitting in the fire don't pass those shit genes on) and unfortunately that is taken advantage of by their elders.

 

Even those who decide to do positive things under the guise of religion have still been indoctrinated. I'm not saying religon brainwashes for good or bad, just that it brainwashes.

 

If my kids grow up worshiping Keith the all powerful Gibbon then it won't be something they've come to believe on their own terms.

 

Do you not accept that people adopt, reject, and swap religions all the time of their own accord Stu? Because they do, a lot.

 

Also, say that the 'infusion' or 'indoctrination' of a religion into a society produces a positive outcome, would you not then accept that religion has some positive aspects?

 

Pre-Christian Rome, for instance, considered the poor and sick to be beneath contempt. Christianity however, exalted the donation of your time to the care of the sick and poor, a trait which is still part of a society today - the idea that, basically, the poor are people.

 

Inspired by that, the first organised hospitals and education system in this country were founded by religious orders who dedicated themselves to those principles.

 

By contrast, in somewhere like India, the poor are still largely ignored because of their own religious leanings, their own code of ethics inspired by this 'indoctrination' of religious tenets.

[bossy]

 

Can't be the only one who laughed at the response to people 'coming over 'ere' was to go over there.

 

I shall protests about immigrants by becoming one.

 

The irony in moving there is startling. Ask the aborigines what they think of the immigrants intheir country.

[She Knows It]

Do you not accept that people adopt, reject, and swap religions all the time of their own accord Stu? Because they do, a lot.

 

Also, say that the 'infusion' or 'indoctrination' of a religion into a society produces a positive outcome, would you not then accept that religion has some positive aspects?

 

Pre-Christian Rome, for instance, considered the poor and sick to be beneath contempt. Christianity however, exalted the donation of your time to the care of the sick and poor, a trait which is still part of a society today - the idea that, basically, the poor are people.

 

Inspired by that, the first organised hospitals and education system in this country were founded by religious orders who dedicated themselves to those principles.

 

By contrast, in somewhere like India, the poor are still largely ignored because of their own religious leanings, their own code of ethics inspired by this 'indoctrination' of religious tenets.

 

Good post. I've said before that people always go on about how much better life is on the continent, more family-centric, they have better values, etc. It's no surprise that countries who adopt this culture are all strongly Catholic countries. Religion isn't all evil and war-mongering.

[RedinSweden]

Good post. I've said before that people always go on about how much better life is on the continent, more family-centric, they have better values, etc. It's no surprise that countries who adopt this culture are all strongly Catholic countries. Religion isn't all evil and war-mongering.

 

Exactly, it encompasses touching kids and views on contraception that lead to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases that kill millions! They do have nice costumes though, I'll give them that.

[Stouffer]

Monty makes the trains run on time; just sayin'.

[Elmyn Noos]

Like most normal people, I view muslims as being at best, a bunch of mental spastics, and at worst, a bunch of mental spastics.

 

These particular muslims do have a point though, and even if they didn't, they have a right to express it.

 

I'm of the mindset that once you incorporate the recent illegal murdering on foreign soil by british armed forces into the whole poppy thing, then you can't be surprised when the more rabid of the jibbering Allahfans pour out of the call centres and start burning things.

 

Also, and wholly unsurprisingly for the Telegraph, we are treated to the reaction of a retired middle-England Sub-postmistress who lost a relative in WWI, to the point the muslims were making about something else altogether, to which the dozy old slag pretty much says "My Derek died in the war so we could enjoy freedom of speech in this country - except for pakis who can shut the fuck up, unless they're the nice englishy ones".

[Cardie]

 

Whoooosh! Unfortunately, you and one or two others completely jumped to the wrong conclusion. But no surprise there.

 

He doesnt have a problem with immigration. In fact, his wife is one of the people you sneeringly refer to as 'coming over 'ere.'

 

His point is that some people who come to this country do so but then fail to integrate into our society. He doesnt object to their religion. But he does have grave concerns with people wanting to introduce such things as sharia law, he does have concerns about whole schools in our country where English is not the first language.

 

He has other reasons as well including the general decline in law and order in the country but no doubt, you and others will see it purely the way you want ie anti immigration per se.

 

Relax, i 'got it' the wording was funny that's all.

 

They're coming over here I'm going over there.