crouch to pompey

[Cardie]

We need someone to compliment Mascherano not replace him.

[redrosetints]

It's not like the Crouch situation though is it? Everybody accepts that Barry is a very good player, he's almost made himself a regular for England and plays for a decent club in the Premiership as opposed to Crouch who was relegated etc.

 

The big issue here is the fact that we have Alonso so a lot of people don't see the point in making deals where we don't necessarily need to.

 

Hello Ian,

 

Ah, ok, perhaps I didnt explain myself well enough. When talking about the Crouch/Barry situation, Im referring to the values. We often seem to undervalue players coming in and overvalue ours. When we paid 7m for Crouchinio, alot of people thought it was too much for a limited player, however, he'd just scored 12 or 16 goals for Southampton, had played for England (I think) and had a couple of years at least on his contract. Fast forward to now, and people are saying we shouldnt accept less than 10 to 15m for a player with only one year left, who is three years older. On the flip side, were told we shouldnt pay more than 12 -15 for Barry, yet, he's got a few years left on his contract, scored 9 goals last season and is a better player (in terms of creativity and scoring) than Carrick and Hargreaves, who both cost 18m. There seems to be a lack of realism. A players worth is what someone will pay/let them go for.

[redrosetints]

What about Senna of Villareal - available for 8m euros and desperate for a big club. I know he's getting on, but we'd get a couple of good years out of him, and he strikes me as a very intelligent player who would do a job in the role in front of the back 4. United nearly signed him 2 years ago.

 

Senna is a defensive mid, Barry is a creative/goal scoring mid, apples and oranges mate !

[Red Nick]

Senna is a defensive mid, Barry is a creative/goal scoring mid, apples and oranges mate !

 

And they call me mad FFS

 

STevie Gerrard is a goal scoring mid as is Johnson at Man City

[Brownie]

Senna is a defensive mid, Barry is a creative/goal scoring mid, apples and oranges mate !

 

Put Gerrard centre midfield then?

[RedinSweden]

And they call me mad FFS

 

STevie Gerrard is a goal scoring mid as is Johnson at Man City

 

Michael "2 goals from 23 matches" Johnson? That Michael Johnson?

[Brownie]

Hello Ian,

 

Ah, ok, perhaps I didnt explain myself well enough. When talking about the Crouch/Barry situation, Im referring to the values. We often seem to undervalue players coming in and overvalue ours. When we paid 7m for Crouchinio, alot of people thought it was too much for a limited player, however, he'd just scored 12 or 16 goals for Southampton, had played for England (I think) and had a couple of years at least on his contract. Fast forward to now, and people are saying we shouldnt accept less than 10 to 15m for a player with only one year left, who is three years older. On the flip side, were told we shouldnt pay more than 12 -15 for Barry, yet, he's got a few years left on his contract, scored 9 goals last season and is a better player (in terms of creativity and scoring) than Carrick and Hargreaves, who both cost 18m. There seems to be a lack of realism. A players worth is what someone will pay/let them go for.

 

It's not the same though mate. People were questioning Crouch's price because they didn't think his ability justified it, whereas people are questioning Barry's signing/price because we already have a better player who may be sold for less than we buy Barry.

[Eiler]

Eiler plays for Arsenal?

 

Harsh but fair.

[Red Nick]

What about Senna of Villareal - available for 8m euros and desperate for a big club. I know he's getting on, but we'd get a couple of good years out of him, and he strikes me as a very intelligent player who would do a job in the role in front of the back 4. United nearly signed him 2 years ago.

 

Very good shout only problem is he´s been the player of Euro 2008

[Red Nick]

Michael "2 goals from 23 matches" Johnson? That Michael Johnson?

 

Thats the one:|

 

But you get the point, Benayoun would be much more of a goal scoring midfielder than Barry, Cahill at Everton, Scoles at manu & Fabregas at Arsenal etc etc

[wiiksie]

It's not the same though mate. People were questioning Crouch's price because they didn't think his ability justified it, whereas people are questioning Barry's signing/price because we already have a better player who may be sold for less than we buy Barry.

What's that got to do with Barry's market value though?

 

The market dictates what he is worth, and he is worth similar amounts to Carrick and Hargreaves, regardless of whether we need him or not.

[Rashid]

What's that got to do with Barry's market value though?

 

The market dictates what he is worth, and he is worth similar amounts to Carrick and Hargreaves, regardless of whether we need him or not.

 

So who on the market apart from us and Villa is dictating this £18m Carrick type fee then? In case I have missed it that is...

 

Barry is not a goal scoring midfielder at all, he scores set pieces and had more license to roam at Villa than he would at Anfield. He is one of the slowest players in the league... Barry revisonism on here sickens me.

 

If you want a holding player, you keep Xabi unless Barry comes cheaper as he is an inferior player, if you want a goal scoring one, then move Gerrard there.

[Guest Woolfall]

i tink some people have lost faith in rafa and are jus usin the barry transfer as a stick to beat him with.

[Guest TK-421]

If someone doesn't agree with Rashid they are "revisionist".

[Spy Bee]

If someone doesn't agree with Rashid they are "revisionist".

 

It's the "sickens me" comments that make me want to cut him into tiny pieces and feed him to Red Nick.

 

And can I just say "one of the slowest players in the league" is utter fucking bullshit.

[RedinSweden]

Thats the one:|

 

But you get the point, Benayoun would be much more of a goal scoring midfielder than Barry, Cahill at Everton, Scoles at manu & Fabregas at Arsenal etc etc

 

Ah yes, Paul "1 goal" Scholes

[Woo]

Ah yes, Paul "1 goal" Scholes

 

But the goal was that good it is equal to 10 shitty tap ins or pens from someone else.

 

Quality over Quantity.

[RJ Fan club]

If someone doesn't agree with Rashid they are "revisionist".

 

If he comes on the GF with that tomfoolery I'll consider him a territorial revisionist.

[Guest TK-421]

It's the "sickens me" comments that make me want to cut him into tiny pieces and feed him to Red Nick.

 

And can I just say "one of the slowest players in the league" is utter fucking bullshit.

 

Nice quoting without quoting. I find your backdoor quoting sickening, revisionist and disgusting.

[RedinSweden]

But the goal was that good it is equal to 10 shitty tap ins or pens from someone else.

 

Quality over Quantity.

 

This is true. I have heard that the FA are going to be introducing "Loveliness weighting" for goals scored.

[wiiksie]

Nice quoting without quoting. I find your backdoor quoting sickening, revisionist and disgusting.

All of you dogs of war are writing your own P45's. Especially that Spybee character.

[Guest TK-421]

All of you dogs of war are writing your own P45's. Especially that Spybee character.

 

Someone else wrote my P45, I just signed the fucker.

[Thants]

P50's are the new P45's.

[Spy Bee]

Speaking of P's, I'll be back in two minutes.

[redrosetints]

Put Gerrard centre midfield then?

 

I know some people agree with that, but I've always felt Gerrard is twice the player when he is free of his defensive duties, therefore, off Torres or on the right is fine by me. But going further, Rafa is accused of tinkering, he settled on a Torres and Gerrard axis of beauty, why change it ? I'd leave Gerrard and Torres well alone.

 

Just to pick up on the other points. Barry is 'worth' more than Xabi as he's english, its always been the way, again, compare Barry with the cost of Hargreaves or Carrick and were paying the going rate. I guess the argument then says 'why change if money is limited'. Xabi seems to have gone stale, whether that be due to the changes around him, Mascherano, tactics, the baby, Rafa, whatever, but how often did Xabi make a telling contribution last year ? IMHO Its not so much, lets get rid of Xabi to get Barry, more a case of Xabi needs to be moved on and who can replace him. Paisley was the master at moving players on at the right time, I think Xabis time has come. Barry will prove to be a Crouchinio type player, in that he'll win people over very quickly and not for the fact that he doesnt score for 19 games and gets called a freak.

 

Whats worrying is the continued investment in what would appear to be second rate full backs, Degen not making the swiss team was very worrying.