Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

[Smell The Glove]

48 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

TAW had a decent conversation about this in a pod recently. 

 

Madrid isn't the answer to his prayers, he won't be playing midfield for them.  

He wouldn't even start RB ahead of Carvajal. 

 

I wish we'd just commit to using him as a midfielder and bring in a RB to cover Bradley.  

He's a midfielder. Just because he looked lost in Sir Gareths straight jacket team doesn't mean you just give up on it. He wants to play there so Arne needs to find out how

[an tha]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

We have 5 forwards and in one way or another I think there's question marks about all of them. As you say looking down the line age wise, there's maybe issues with Diaz and Jota considering the points you make about them both. Diaz I heard lately has 3 years left, so that takes him till he's 30. Jota also has 3 years. As does Nunez. I think gakpo runs till the year later. 

 

So by next summer we have Nunez, Jota and Diaz down to their last 2 years. And we might be waving Salah off on a bosman. Now it would be easy to think the club will have foresight to sort it, yet when we had firmino, Salah and mane, they had 3 similar aged footballers who's contracts were due to expire around the same time. 

 

But all this is why I don't think the club have shut down any rumours about Diaz going. I think they'd be happy for him to go, providing the fee was right. But they won't make a move which suggests we actively want rid. I think sometimes it might be more helpful if we were.more aggressive when we are ready to let players leave. When you're not, you just end up stuck with them like we did with chamberlain and keita. 

I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Danns this season.

 

He strikes me as potentially a bit special. More so than Doak IMHO.

 

Currently injured mind with the dreaded 'minor injury' so probably won't see him now until January.

[Turkish Delight]

7 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

He's a midfielder. Just because he looked lost in Sir Gareths straight jacket team doesn't mean you just give up on it. He wants to play there so Arne needs to find out how

 

He might be one but I don't see him as a deep player. He plays the high risk pass too much and we'll concede possession too often if we play him as a six. The top players in that role all have >95% pass completion and Trent's has typically been less than 80%. I just don't see how that role suits him or plays to his strengths.

 

Also, the one observation that could be taken from him playing deeper in England's midfield was that he was getting caught in possession on the turn from the ball behind him and struggled with not having space.

 

The only way I could see it working for him in midfield is with him in a more advanced role. It might work but if it doesn't immediately then how much do we risk our season on it?

[Bobby Hundreds]

Feels like we've too many midfielders of the "what type of player are they mould" 

 

I want a proper combative 6 for the millionth time he screamed. Seriously it's not hard to look at out team and think this side needs a physical destroyer type so the rest of the middling what are you suppose to be midfielders can find themselves.

[Code]

9 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

Jesus wept

Not quite as skillful might be understatement of the year. 

[chrisbonnie]

Apparently n'golo kante is heading to West ham.... If that's true, we should be in on that. 

[JohnnyH]

13 minutes ago, chrisbonnie said:

Apparently n'golo kante is heading to West ham.... If that's true, we should be in on that. 

Are you worried the doctors who had a full time job with Thiago will be bored now?

[Bruce Spanner]

22 minutes ago, chrisbonnie said:

Apparently n'golo kante is heading to West ham.... If that's true, we should be in on that. 

Hes 33 and broken.

[Barrington Womble]

11 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Who knows, if he plays well this season it could easily be more - we have three far more important and valuable players in that contract position now. Think we bring someone else in there anyway, least of our worries for me.

 

 

That's exactly the type of thinking that kept keita and chamberlain at the club so long. I honestly can't think of a player who's struggled like he has for 5 years, suddenly manages to just stop being injury prone. Not in this league anyway. 

 

11 hours ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Not many clubs lose a manager in slow motion like we did.

It's been a perfect storm of shit timing with the Euros as well as contract issues for key players. 

But the club aren't totally to blame, this is how Klopp wanted to go, but it's painted us into a corner. 

 

 

 

Losing a manager in slow motion should have helped this summer. Slot has known he'd be Liverpool manager since April, which also means Hughes etc al were responsible for that long to deliver quality options for him. This is the easiest change you will have and it's just the latest in a long list of reasons to just ignore recruitment. 

 

 

11 hours ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

I'm not judging anyone on how they perform in a Southgate side. 

 

There's things you can see in a defender that's not down to tactics. Where he puts his body when trying to win the ball, how he reacts to danger, how he tracks players. I thought he looked really ordinary in that regard. And then you add in he can't head a ball. I'd stick with Gomez for that role. 

 

9 hours ago, an tha said:

I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of Danns this season.

 

He strikes me as potentially a bit special. More so than Doak IMHO.

 

Currently injured mind with the dreaded 'minor injury' so probably won't see him now until January.

 

I don't get the fuss on doak. He broke through and was exciting in that 10 year old, head down way, but there was no quality there. Danns did well when he played. I think he would probably benefit from playing every week somewhere. I might be wrong, but I'm sure I read he was sent back to the U23 squad already (not the only one, most of the kids from last year) and didn't get a kick yesterday. 

[The wanderer]

5 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

That's exactly the type of thinking that kept keita and chamberlain at the club so long. I honestly can't think of a player who's struggled like he has for 5 years, suddenly manages to just stop being injury prone. Not in this league anyway. 

 

 

Losing a manager in slow motion should have helped this summer. Slot has known he'd be Liverpool manager since April, which also means Hughes etc al were responsible for that long to deliver quality options for him. This is the easiest change you will have and it's just the latest in a long list of reasons to just ignore recruitment. 

 

 

 

There's things you can see in a defender that's not down to tactics. Where he puts his body when trying to win the ball, how he reacts to danger, how he tracks players. I thought he looked really ordinary in that regard. And then you add in he can't head a ball. I'd stick with Gomez for that role. 

 

 

I don't get the fuss on doak. He broke through and was exciting in that 10 year old, head down way, but there was no quality there. Danns did well when he played. I think he would probably benefit from playing every week somewhere. I might be wrong, but I'm sure I read he was sent back to the U23 squad already (not the only one, most of the kids from last year) and didn't get a kick yesterday. 

Danns is injured I think.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Kante is too old. We shouldn't be conditioned to just accept the cheapest "he can do a Job" type players because the owners lack ambition if it costs a penny. I look at  Arsenal and they now look like a club thats aggressively ambitious in it's desire to win the Premier league, we give off the impression the owners are happy to hedge their bets on a top 4 place.

 

Hopefully there's some Fabinho type shenanigans going on and we can enter the season with a buzz. The club needs it, I'm tired of us being the elite paupers to the point even the fans show zero ambition when it comes to suggesting players because we know realistically we won't spend what it takes. More than likely without Klopp without the desire to compete in the market we won't compete in the league and if this season is one without desire how do we keep the quality we currently have, will Trent sign a new contract if he sees the club is on the same path that Gerrard dealt with. 

 

We don't even have to go mad, just a couple of genuine first team players, players where its instantly recognisable they are part of the first 11 for the next few years. No shitting the bed on a player over a 2 million in difference valuation fee because we dictate what the market is and database says that's financially closer too risk than our perimeters usually allows. Just think about the fucking team first occasionally and do what needs to be done even if its done with a grimace.

[Barrington Womble]

42 minutes ago, The wanderer said:

Danns is injured I think.

Maybe that's why they sent him back to the u23s then. 

[Reckoner]

On 18/07/2024 at 20:07, El Dangerous said:

Sounds like a cunt.

Seriously though where did the ‘he’s a cunt’ shouts originate from?

[El Dangerous]

15 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

Seriously though where did the ‘he’s a cunt’ shouts originate from?

Dave Usher publicly called him out when he threw a mardy that Liverpool wanted €20m for him.

[Reckoner]

1 hour ago, El Dangerous said:

Dave Usher publicly called him out when he threw a mardy that Liverpool wanted €20m for him.

Cheers. Personally I’d never trust the clubs powerful PR and media connections over a kid. The club will be absolutely ruthless in protecting itself.

[TD_LFC]

17 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Do you reckon if he has spoken to him that he's had a full discussion on where they each see his role next season or just exchanged pleasantries and platitudes about how much they're looking forward to working with each other given he was on England duty at the Euro's?

 

From Ian Doyle today

 

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Instead, the next few weeks will be pivotal in mapping out Alexander-Arnold's future. Talks will be held with Hughes and the Anfield hierarchy over the offer of a new deal, but just as important will be the vision mapped out by new boss Arne Slot regards tactics, recruitment and the player's own long-term position.

 

[Turkish Delight]

1 hour ago, TD_LFC said:

 

From Ian Doyle today

 

 

 

I don't see how that conversation should take weeks and I'd also say it's bordering on incompetence if it's true they haven't already started those conversations.

[an tha]

5 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

That's exactly the type of thinking that kept keita and chamberlain at the club so long. I honestly can't think of a player who's struggled like he has for 5 years, suddenly manages to just stop being injury prone. Not in this league anyway. 

 

 

Losing a manager in slow motion should have helped this summer. Slot has known he'd be Liverpool manager since April, which also means Hughes etc al were responsible for that long to deliver quality options for him. This is the easiest change you will have and it's just the latest in a long list of reasons to just ignore recruitment. 

 

 

 

There's things you can see in a defender that's not down to tactics. Where he puts his body when trying to win the ball, how he reacts to danger, how he tracks players. I thought he looked really ordinary in that regard. And then you add in he can't head a ball. I'd stick with Gomez for that role. 

 

 

I don't get the fuss on doak. He broke through and was exciting in that 10 year old, head down way, but there was no quality there. Danns did well when he played. I think he would probably benefit from playing every week somewhere. I might be wrong, but I'm sure I read he was sent back to the U23 squad already (not the only one, most of the kids from last year) and didn't get a kick yesterday. 

Yeah i haven't seen a single actual piece of end product quality from Doak. Albeit of course a very small sample and he is still very young.

 

Danns however took one of his goals v Southampton like a quality player does and just looks to me like he could have something that is special about him.

 

Both making it and being boss is of course what we want and hopefully will see it.

 

Gordon seems to be being talked up again - maybe he breaks through this year. He is still not quite 20 - turns 20 in Oct yet seems to have been around ages.

 

Thing is with these kids - if they are going to be really top drawer you want to see them doing it at or near top level by or at the age of 21 IMO.

 

[an tha]

1 hour ago, TD_LFC said:

 

From Ian Doyle today

 

 

Season starts in less than a month and we reportedly  have a key player who we haven't got a clue where he will play and he hasn't got a clue how we will play. Does not sound ideal does it.

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, an tha said:

Does not sound ideal does it.

Still a headache. That is worse than it was 2 months ago.

[an tha]

27 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Still a headache. That is worse than it was 2 months ago.

I do wonder if it is one that exists more in the media and on social media than in reality though....

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, an tha said:

I do wonder if it is one that exists more in the media and on social media than in reality though....

 

It is not in the club's, the new manager's or Trent's best interest for false narratives around this.

So I doubt it.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

6 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

Losing a manager in slow motion should have helped this summer. Slot has known he'd be Liverpool manager since April, which also means Hughes etc al were responsible for that long to deliver quality options for him. This is the easiest change you will have and it's just the latest in a long list of reasons to just ignore recruitment. 

 

 

Disagree. 

 

The narrative from the start has been "oh my, what a talented squad Klopp has left for him", but that's an awful assessment of the situation imo. 

 

The likes of Trent/Virg/Mo wanted new contracts for the past 6 months, had Klopp stayed then those 3 would have been boxed by the end of the season.  They waited because they didn't know who was coming in, the club weren't even sure who was coming in, it was mid season and candidates had to tread a fine line between making their interest known to us but also wanting to be respectful to their employer and fans of their clubs, and also not derailing the confidence of players as there were still trophies up for grabs in their respective countries. 

 

So now we have a manager, but he can't get near his key players to judge their appetite for taking part in his plans, so he can't make a decision on those contracts.  

 

How can Hughes deliver options to him when he hasn't had a chance to work with these players and determine weaknesses in his system? 

Again, it's not like most clubs. 

Slot isn't bringing his own talent spotters with him, he's the coach, that's the model we're operating, and to further complicate it we're bringing in Hughes from scratch, everyone is finding their feet, it's a mess. 

 

We also can't judge a lot of the squad based on last season because so many of them are so young that they develop rapidly as they grow, we saw that with Quansah and Bradley, in a matter of my months they went from 'kid' to 'lad', it all fell into place.  Slot is, rightfully, going to look very closely at the immediate term and short term development potential of Danns, Nyoni, Doak, Clark, Chambers, Gordon, Kone-Doherty, McConnell, Beck, Koumas, Cannonier, all need consideration. 

But on top of that is the more senior young contingent of Van den Berg, Bajcetic, Elliott, Morton, Carvalho, again they're at that age where development can accelerate or stagnate. 

 

How much time did Slot realistically have to do that?  No point in looking at tapes of last season, it's not enough data and too much time has passed anyway.  

 

We could argue the Euros has helped give him a better chance to assess these lads, but it will be at the expense of training time with the senior players.  Not his fault though. 

 

My expectations are in the dirt.  I'll be impressed if the media don't fall into 'crisis' mode by October, but even if we do it'll be way too early to judge him.  We'll just have to dig in and wait. 

[TD_LFC]

1 hour ago, an tha said:

Season starts in less than a month and we reportedly  have a key player who we haven't got a clue where he will play and he hasn't got a clue how we will play. Does not sound ideal does it.

 

Welcome to international football summer coupled with a new manager, wait until people find out he'll only have a few weeks of pre-season and 45-75 minutes of game time before the first game of the season.

 

I'll leave others to go through the charade of pretending this is something out of the ordinary instead of common in this situation.

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Disagree. 

 

The narrative from the start has been "oh my, what a talented squad Klopp has left for him", but that's an awful assessment of the situation imo. 

 

The likes of Trent/Virg/Mo wanted new contracts for the past 6 months, had Klopp stayed then those 3 would have been boxed by the end of the season.  They waited because they didn't know who was coming in, the club weren't even sure who was coming in, it was mid season and candidates had to tread a fine line between making their interest known to us but also wanting to be respectful to their employer and fans of their clubs, and also not derailing the confidence of players as there were still trophies up for grabs in their respective countries. 

 

So now we have a manager, but he can't get near his key players to judge their appetite for taking part in his plans, so he can't make a decision on those contracts.  

 

How can Hughes deliver options to him when he hasn't had a chance to work with these players and determine weaknesses in his system? 

Again, it's not like most clubs. 

Slot isn't bringing his own talent spotters with him, he's the coach, that's the model we're operating, and to further complicate it we're bringing in Hughes from scratch, everyone is finding their feet, it's a mess. 

 

We also can't judge a lot of the squad based on last season because so many of them are so young that they develop rapidly as they grow, we saw that with Quansah and Bradley, in a matter of my months they went from 'kid' to 'lad', it all fell into place.  Slot is, rightfully, going to look very closely at the immediate term and short term development potential of Danns, Nyoni, Doak, Clark, Chambers, Gordon, Kone-Doherty, McConnell, Beck, Koumas, Cannonier, all need consideration. 

But on top of that is the more senior young contingent of Van den Berg, Bajcetic, Elliott, Morton, Carvalho, again they're at that age where development can accelerate or stagnate. 

 

How much time did Slot realistically have to do that?  No point in looking at tapes of last season, it's not enough data and too much time has passed anyway.  

 

We could argue the Euros has helped give him a better chance to assess these lads, but it will be at the expense of training time with the senior players.  Not his fault though. 

 

My expectations are in the dirt.  I'll be impressed if the media don't fall into 'crisis' mode by October, but even if we do it'll be way too early to judge him.  We'll just have to dig in and wait. 

 

None of that makes any sense to me. You speak like we're run by a bunch of fucking amateurs, not supposedly one of the worlds leading club with employees to match. 

 

Firstly, the contract situation has nothing to do with slot. Hughes has to get it sorted. He was very forthright that all 3 are with us this season, so Slot is dealing with all 3 of them. The contracts are a different matter, we go this season with those 3, what is next is kicked down the road and is a problem for another window. 

 

We are not the first and only club to have some kids. And mostly we don't have kids. It's a fantasy, even the league cup final, our average age at the end of the game was more than Chelsea's (and had been all through). I don't think any other than Bradley and quansah from last year will play any real part in this season. You list 11 players there. Cut out the league cup, which will surely be a full U23s competition this year with the increase in CL games, I'd be amazed if that 11 players got 11 starts between them and 25 appearances. They are an irrelevance. Quansah absolutely smashed expectations of a kid on the fringes last season. He only started 13 league games though.

 

So none of that is anything to do with squad building this season. What is clear, is the squad was too thin last year. We've lost thiago, who if he had played minutes, we might not have been so stretched. We've also lost matip - while he didn't play the end of the season, he was an ever present job share in the first part of the season. So in terms of squad replenishment it's simple, replace those two for a start. 

 

This season is obviously going to be tough. Slot might be shit. Even if he's not, he mightn't get from the players what klopp could. And we have loads of inconsistent players. But I don't see how any of that makes Hughes job more difficult. It makes it easier to recruit to improve the side. Unless of course we don't want to spend.