Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[sir roger]

31 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

 

They are allowed to discuss the matter in a democracy are they not ? I have no idea what Starmer's interactions with his local committee are like and whether they feel he is doing a good job as their MP. There seems an inordinate focus on these potential trigger ballots considering only one has been called to my knowledge ( A female MP in Hull I had never heard of ).

 

Actually SD while I am responding to your post , what is the Lib Dem system for challenging an incumbent MP ? , I am sure I read it is similar to Labour.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 hours ago, Boss said:

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

Hold on, are you talking about Gillian Duffy? She of the town of Rochdale fame? The Rochdale borough that had almost 85% white people (80% white British) it at last count? 70% of them speak English as a second language? Are you sure about this, or are you talking about somebody else?

[Strontium]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Hold on, are you talking about Gillian Duffy? She of the town of Rochdale fame? The Rochdale borough that had almost 85% white people (80% white British) it at last count? 70% of them speak English as a second language? Are you sure about this, or are you talking about somebody else?

 

In fairness I could believe that English is the second language of 70% of Rochdalians, after mong.

[Strontium]

30 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Actually SD while I am responding to your post , what is the Lib Dem system for challenging an incumbent MP ? , I am sure I read it is similar to Labour.

 

I've no idea, it doesn't tend to happen. Anyone who manages to get themself elected with a gold rosette is considered to be basically untouchable.

[sir roger]

Extremely rare in Labour also , you would not think so judging by the media attention.

[Scooby Dudek]

Having just read that Rudd had resign I was going to come in here and joke "I am surprised some Labour aren't leaving to balance things up", when it seems Mann has beaten me to it. Great person, not only does he help balance numbers but also gets the anti-Semitism going again. 

[Scooby Dudek]

33 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Extremely rare in Labour also , you would not think so judging by the media attention.

Also the attention it gets compared to a party leadership that has just deselected 21 M.Ps without giving local constituency parties a say.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The Tories are up in the polls released today. Largely due to a migration from the Brexit Party back to Tory. 

 

This country! 

ComRes did a survey on "Who would you vote for in a GE after Brexit extended beyond 31st October?"

 

LAB: 28%

CON: 26%

LDEM: 20%

BREX: 17%

GRN: 4%

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Boss said:

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

 

The population of Rochdale in 1991 (6 years before Blair) was 203,928.  In 2010 (the year of the "bigoted woman" incident) it was 210,758.

 

Imagine a town being subjected to a population increase of about 3% in the blink of 19 years.  I don't know how the poor blighters endured it.  I blame the immigunts.

[sir roger]

Integrants, AoT.

[Boss]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The population of Rochdale in 1991 (6 years before Blair) was 203,928.  In 2010 (the year of the "bigoted woman" incident) it was 210,758.

 

Imagine a town being subjected to a population increase of about 3% in the blink of 19 years.  I don't know how the poor blighters endured it.  I blame the immigunts.

I didn't say the population of Rochdale has doubled though, did I? I said the immigrant population has doubled in the last 20 years, and it has.

 

Some of you lot need to learn to read.

[Mudface]

14 minutes ago, Boss said:

I didn't say the population of Rochdale has doubled though, did I? I said the immigrant population has doubled in the last 20 years, and it has.

 

Some of you lot need to learn to read.

From what, to what?

[Captain Howdy]

Regardless, it was the contempt in which he held her concerns and insulted her that did for him and the less said about his excruciating flower bequeathing apologetic home visit to try and save his skin the better. Politicians innit

[Barrington Womble]

16 hours ago, Boss said:

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

 

He had to drive all the way from London, to her house, to make a grovelling public apology and he got wiped out in the election because of it. Intellectual powerhouse indeed. Also, Brown's fiscal policies to handle the Market crash of the late 2000's were exactly the same as all Western countries. He printed and borrowed money. That's the extent of his genius in that regard.

The UK were more susceptible to the economic crash than any other country. This was largely due to thatchers obsession with breaking the back of manufacturing and mining and putting all of our eggs in the basket of the financial services industry. Our economy became scewed to a point of almost economic meltdown. As for your comments about quantative easing, to my knowledge it is exactly how all the major world economies dealt with the issues, USA, Japan and Germany/ECB. I'm happy to be corrected on that, but I'm pretty certain I'm right on it. His response was exactly what would be expected and our difficulty was we were in bigger shit than anyone else because it hurt a larger part of our economy, not helped by RBS having only recently bought ABM Amro which was a major player in the mortgages markets that triggered the crisis.

[Megadrive Man]

9 hours ago, Boss said:

I didn't say the population of Rochdale has doubled though, did I? I said the immigrant population has doubled in the last 20 years, and it has.

 

Some of you lot need to learn to read.

The point he was making was that the immigrant population must have been pretty low in the first place if the net population only increased by around 7000 in 19 years.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, Boss said:

I didn't say the population of Rochdale has doubled though, did I? I said the immigrant population has doubled in the last 20 years, and it has.

 

Some of you lot need to learn to read.

And you need to learn to understand. 

 

If the total population has increased by about 3% and that figure includes a doubling of the immigrant population, then the immigrant population must have been pretty fucking small to start with. 

 

Any idea what the negative impacts of that growth in the immigrant population  - from "very few" to "2 x very few" - were? Because in the absence of negative impacts, anybody complaining about it is fair game for being called a bigot.

[Aventus]

Maybe because so many immigrants moved to Rochdale all the locals fucked off because they couldn't be arsed with all the foreigners coming in. 

[Pureblood]

Boss has a right bee in his bonnet about immigrants.   He fucking hates them.

[cloggypop]

Imagine leaving your family and friends and ending up in fucking Rochdale. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Interesting read about the real dangers of fake anti-Semitism claims.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/first-time-my-life-im-frightened-be-jewish/

 

[Boss]

11 hours ago, TK421 said:

Boss has a right bee in his bonnet about immigrants.   He fucking hates them.

 

Why would I hate immigrants? I have zero against anybody that wants to come to the country and seek a better life for themselves.

 

I just think the country should have, or should've had (because it's too late now) some protectionist policies in place to protect it's own people from the effects of mass immigration. Certainly the working class communities and unskilled British workers. I think that's the job of the country. To look out for it's own people.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

On a side note, where the fuck has Tom Watson been for the past week?

 

MIA. 

[sir roger]

Potential trigger ballot for TWatson on Tuesday.

[cloggypop]

6 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

On a side note, where the fuck has Tom Watson been for the past week?

 

MIA. 

He's still running away from Carl Beech

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/01/tom-watson-face-calls-resign-extent-ties-nick-revealed-underacted/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

 

Why would I hate immigrants? I have zero against anybody that wants to come to the country and seek a better life for themselves.

 

I just think the country should have, or should've had (because it's too late now) some protectionist policies in place to protect it's own people from the effects of mass immigration. Certainly the working class communities and unskilled British workers. I think that's the job of the country. To look out for it's own people.

Labour had Migrant Impact Funds to help the communities where most immigrants settled. They also had free English language lessons, to help immigrants integrate. The Tories  (and their Lib Dem seat-fillers) scrapped both of these.

 

Where Labour failed was in maintaining Thatcher's trade union restrictions.  That's what allowed employers to exploit migrants to undercut British workers.