Darwin Nunez - Thoughts?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, 3 Stacks said:

Hahaha so funny.

What’s funny about it? 

[Bloke]

7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

How do I think I'm smarter than I am? I'm asking the question why Diaz is having to generally beat players and shoot from range to score. I'm asking why we're just hoofing it to Darwin. I'm asking because I don't have the answer.

 

You follow me around and get random digs in like you think you're funny. I don't think I ever even interacted with you on here before you started doing that. You're very clearly the one that's the fucking weirdo.

What? He scored two headers last week. 

 

I don't follow you round at all, I have responded when you spout crap and talk to people like they are idiot's though. I'll refrain from it in the future and let you do your thing. 

[3 Stacks]

24 minutes ago, Bloke said:

What? He scored two headers last week. 

 

I don't follow you round at all, I have responded when you spout crap and talk to people like they are idiot's though. I'll refrain from it in the future and let you do your thing. 

Great. Appreciate that you'll stop stalking me. 

[razor]

11 hours ago, Creator Supreme said:

Sorry, must back the shit players at all times!

 

Nunez is wonderful, the new Kenny Dalglish mixed with Ian Rush!

 

As an aficionado of LFC in the 80s, you'll know how many games Ian Rush took to score his first goal.

 

No doubt you'd have sold him to Tranmere citing that the jump in quality is too great.

 

A bit early to be nailing your colours to the mast.

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

What a bunch of hysterical fannies.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Really want this fella to do well for no other reason than he seems motivated to be a good player for us, obviously gives his all on the pitch and he’s the clubs new leading striker. 
 

But in all honesty, that is based more in hope than expectation. Half because of him as a player and half because I don’t understand why we have signed a player like this. 
 

I think can be a handful and has flashes of brilliance but I’m alarmed at how many shots he just completely miss hits. For somebody who is supposed to be a deadly striker, he scuffs a shit ton of shots. His build up play is pretty poor and he hasn’t really shown an ability to run with the ball with any conviction or deft. I’d be okay with that if I’d seen him just fucking lamp a few on a target now and then, so hopefully that’s just something that will come. 
 

But I caveat all of the above with the fact that the guy has had the shittest fucking service possible. How the fuck have we spent 65-95m on a player with seemingly no plan on how to get the best of him? What the fuck are these constant low percentage Hail Mary hoofs up to him from defense? What the fuck  is he meant to do with that? Why are Mo and Diaz being played on different sides of the hemisphere to him? He has no midfield runners either. It’s like we want him to cause chaos and then capitalize on his own chaos, it makes no fucking sense. Klopp needs to figure this out. Maybe Lijnders can write another fucking book laying out some of these tactics too. 
 

It’s very unlikely Darwin will be a Suarez, Torres or even a Sturridge for us in terms of quality, I just don’t see him having that ceiling (but hope to be wrong). I hope he can at least be a Jota though in terms of effectiveness. That said, it’s an indictment on our recruitment that we have spent so much on a striker who is still so raw and who we don’t seem to have a concrete plan to integrate. It smacks of Andy Carrol - not because of Darwin’s quality, but because of how different he is to our overall historic patterns of play under Klopp. I’ll support him and scream like he’s my son every time he scores but I’m not going to pretend I don’t have a shit load of doubts about this transfer.

[Barrington Womble]

13 minutes ago, FrenchEyeGlass said:

Really want this fella to do well for no other reason than he seems motivated to be a good player for us, obviously gives his all on the pitch and he’s the clubs new leading striker. 
 

But in all honesty, that is based more in hope than expectation. Half because of him as a player and half because I don’t understand why we have signed a player like this. 
 

I think can be a handful and has flashes of brilliance but I’m alarmed at how many shots he just completely miss hits. For somebody who is supposed to be a deadly striker, he scuffs a shit ton of shots. His build up play is pretty poor and he hasn’t really shown an ability to run with the ball with any conviction or deft. I’d be okay with that if I’d seen him just fucking lamp a few on a target now and then, so hopefully that’s just something that will come. 
 

But I caveat all of the above with the fact that the guy has had the shittest fucking service possible. How the fuck have we spent 65-95m on a player with seemingly no plan on how to get the best of him? What the fuck are these constant low percentage Hail Mary hoofs up to him from defense? What the fuck  is he meant to do with that? Why are Mo and Diaz being played on different sides of the hemisphere to him? He has no midfield runners either. It’s like we want him to cause chaos and then capitalize on his own chaos, it makes no fucking sense. Klopp needs to figure this out. Maybe Lijnders can write another fucking book laying out some of these tactics too. 
 

It’s very unlikely Darwin will be a Suarez, Torres or even a Sturridge for us in terms of quality, I just don’t see him having that ceiling (but hope to be wrong). I hope he can at least be a Jota though in terms of effectiveness. That said, it’s an indictment on our recruitment that we have spent so much on a striker who is still so raw and who we don’t seem to have a concrete plan to integrate. It smacks of Andy Carrol - not because of Darwin’s quality, but because of how different he is to our overall historic patterns of play under Klopp. I’ll support him and scream like he’s my son every time he scores but I’m not going to pretend I don’t have a shit load of doubts about this transfer.

People were saying all these things about Suarez when he joined. 

[Aventus]

I'm expecting him to be incredible purely based on the fact that FSG have given Jurgen close to fuck all of a budget to work from, so for him to spend all of it on Darwin makes me think it's as much if a sure bet as we are ever going to get from a player. 

 

I haven't seen it yet though, so I'm putting a lot of blind faith into this right now. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

If we got Tchouameni I dont think we would of went for Darwin. So I'm not sure of our logic. I'm not worried about Nunez.

[Jennings]

18 hours ago, sir roger said:

Best fans in the world

The forum is about expressing opinion - and I don’t mind doing that, even if it’s the non-mainstream view (in fact that makes it more interesting). 

The match is where he and the other players will receive my support. 

18 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

…He will hit over 20 this season in the league. 

 

I respect the opinion of those who think he’s going to be as good as Torres, Rush and Suarez. I also respect the opinion of those who are still undecided….

 

…Time will tell. Either I am right or you lot are. 
I sincerely hope it’s you lot. 

[Wicket]

4 minutes ago, FrenchEyeGlass said:

Really want this fella to do well for no other reason than he seems motivated to be a good player for us, obviously gives his all on the pitch and he’s the clubs new leading striker. 
 

But in all honesty, that is based more in hope than expectation. Half because of him as a player and half because I don’t understand why we have signed a player like this. 
 

I think can be a handful and has flashes of brilliance but I’m alarmed at how many shots he just completely miss hits. For somebody who is supposed to be a deadly striker, he scuffs a shit ton of shots. His build up play is pretty poor and he hasn’t really shown an ability to run with the ball with any conviction or deft. I’d be okay with that if I’d seen him just fucking lamp a few on a target now and then, so hopefully that’s just something that will come. 
 

But I caveat all of the above with the fact that the guy has had the shittest fucking service possible. How the fuck have we spent 65-95m on a player with seemingly no plan on how to get the best of him? What the fuck are these constant low percentage Hail Mary hoofs up to him from defense? What the fuck  is he meant to do with that? Why are Mo and Diaz being played on different sides of the hemisphere to him? He has no midfield runners either. It’s like we want him to cause chaos and then capitalize on his own chaos, it makes no fucking sense. Klopp needs to figure this out. Maybe Lijnders can write another fucking book laying out some of these tactics too. 
 

It’s very unlikely Darwin will be a Suarez, Torres or even a Sturridge for us in terms of quality, I just don’t see him having that ceiling (but hope to be wrong). I hope he can at least be a Jota though in terms of effectiveness. That said, it’s an indictment on our recruitment that we have spent so much on a striker who is still so raw and who we don’t seem to have a concrete plan to integrate. It smacks of Andy Carrol - not because of Darwin’s quality, but because of how different he is to our overall historic patterns of play under Klopp. I’ll support him and scream like he’s my son every time he scores but I’m not going to pretend I don’t have a shit load of doubts about this transfer.

Think that’s a pretty fair summation
 

[FrenchEyeGlass]

13 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

People were saying all these things about Suarez when he joined. 

That’s true, but Suarez looked technically brilliant from day one. I think he hit the post like 14 times under Kenny. It’s no slight on Darwin to say he won’t be Suarez - he is the third best player of his generation behind Ronaldo and Messi IMO. 
 

As I said in my post, I’m hoping Darwin comes good. I’m not a fan of those giving him shit at this stage. We should back him even if we have doubts, he deserves that for this season.  

[Daisy]

21 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

People were saying all these things about Suarez when he joined. 

Like fuck they were. Suarez was electric from the first minute. His finishing was just a bit shit

[Barrington Womble]

41 minutes ago, FrenchEyeGlass said:

That’s true, but Suarez looked technically brilliant from day one. I think he hit the post like 14 times under Kenny. It’s no slight on Darwin to say he won’t be Suarez - he is the third best player of his generation behind Ronaldo and Messi IMO. 
 

As I said in my post, I’m hoping Darwin comes good. I’m not a fan of those giving him shit at this stage. We should back him even if we have doubts, he deserves that for this season.  

Darwin has played not many minutes and has hit the woodwork about 4 times already. I'm sure he will reach 14 if he carries on like this, although I would sooner they were going the other side of the post or bar. 

 

Suarez was scuffing shots - the technique on that pen miss early in his first full season was slaughtered. People said he couldn't beat a man without luck with a ricochet (until people learnt that was a skill). Then he clicked and all the revisionism kicked in with it, where there's an idea he just unlucky from the outset.  He wasn't. He was just one of those players you see where the talent is clearly there and it's just a question of being patient long enough for him to pull it together. Some players need that time. I think Darwin is one of them and he's contributing while he's doing it. 

 

Darwin is clearly making things happen. He might not be as graceful as Torres. And maybe he doesn't compare stylistically to the forwards we've seen under klopp. But if you look back at klopp through his time here and Dortmund, klopp is alright with getting the best out of players who are different. He doesn't much look for his squad players to be Poundland versions of the player in the first XI and often when players leave, just buys a player who he thinks the squad needs rather than a like for like replacement of the player who left. He looks for players with differences who can bring different things and make us harder to play against. I think in that regard, Darwin is exactly the type of forward to work in klopp's system. Klopp will have a plan for him. It will just take Darwin time to settle and for our team to learn how to use him (and vice versa)

[Dave D]

1 hour ago, FrenchEyeGlass said:

Really want this fella to do well for no other reason than he seems motivated to be a good player for us, obviously gives his all on the pitch and he’s the clubs new leading striker. 
 

But in all honesty, that is based more in hope than expectation. Half because of him as a player and half because I don’t understand why we have signed a player like this. 
 

I think can be a handful and has flashes of brilliance but I’m alarmed at how many shots he just completely miss hits. For somebody who is supposed to be a deadly striker, he scuffs a shit ton of shots. His build up play is pretty poor and he hasn’t really shown an ability to run with the ball with any conviction or deft. I’d be okay with that if I’d seen him just fucking lamp a few on a target now and then, so hopefully that’s just something that will come. 
 

But I caveat all of the above with the fact that the guy has had the shittest fucking service possible. How the fuck have we spent 65-95m on a player with seemingly no plan on how to get the best of him? What the fuck are these constant low percentage Hail Mary hoofs up to him from defense? What the fuck  is he meant to do with that? Why are Mo and Diaz being played on different sides of the hemisphere to him? He has no midfield runners either. It’s like we want him to cause chaos and then capitalize on his own chaos, it makes no fucking sense. Klopp needs to figure this out. Maybe Lijnders can write another fucking book laying out some of these tactics too. 
 

It’s very unlikely Darwin will be a Suarez, Torres or even a Sturridge for us in terms of quality, I just don’t see him having that ceiling (but hope to be wrong). I hope he can at least be a Jota though in terms of effectiveness. That said, it’s an indictment on our recruitment that we have spent so much on a striker who is still so raw and who we don’t seem to have a concrete plan to integrate. It smacks of Andy Carrol - not because of Darwin’s quality, but because of how different he is to our overall historic patterns of play under Klopp. I’ll support him and scream like he’s my son every time he scores but I’m not going to pretend I don’t have a shit load of doubts about this transfer.

Like you took all the jumbled chaotic thoughts from my mind and put them in to comprehensible sentences.

 

Summed up perfectly

[aws]

If Jurgen was happy to spend all his budget on one player then I doubt he did so without watching hours and hours of detailed analysis and having a plan how best to use him. On balance I think I'll trust his judgement unless and untii it's conclusively proven wrong. 

[Section_31]

3 minutes ago, aws said:

If Jurgen was happy to spend all his budget on one player then I doubt he did so without watching hours and hours of detailed analysis and having a plan how best to use him. On balance I think I'll trust his judgement unless and untii it's conclusively proven wrong. 

 

I do wonder if people are viewing him as a ready made 'star striker,' given that we lost Mane and paid top dollar for him. 

 

But that's not been out M.O in the past. Both Mane and Salah, while quality players, didn't have reps as ready made star players when they came here, and both were made better over time.

 

Nunez is raw, but he's obviously talented. He gets into some good positions. His volley that Pickford tipped over was class and came out of nowhere. 

[Dave D]

6 minutes ago, aws said:

If Jurgen was happy to spend all his budget on one player then I doubt he did so without watching hours and hours of detailed analysis and having a plan how best to use him. On balance I think I'll trust his judgement unless and untii it's conclusively proven wrong. 

Hope your right- Nunez seemed a bit rushed- maybe they went for it through lack of alternatives and others were waiting in the wings

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, aws said:

If Jurgen was happy to spend all his budget on one player then I doubt he did so without watching hours and hours of detailed analysis and having a plan how best to use him. On balance I think I'll trust his judgement unless and untii it's conclusively proven wrong. 

The thing I honestly don't understand is he's making things happen. He looks a threat. Sure there's times he looks ungraceful too. But imagine how dangerous he might be once he's relaxed and his team mates know how to use him. His first season in Portugal was slow, so there's every chance he'll have teething problems here. People talk about him like we were expecting a prime Madonna. 

[Dave D]

The price has set the expectation too high

[aws]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

The thing I honestly don't understand is he's making things happen. He looks a threat. Sure there's times he looks ungraceful too. But imagine how dangerous he might be once he's relaxed and his team mates know how to use him. His first season in Portugal was slow, so there's every chance he'll have teething problems here. People talk about him like we were expecting a prime Madonna. 

Agreed. He's looked a bit raw and over-eager but he's looked a threat and he's only played three games. 

[Dave D]

He will be given the time to prove himself. We just didnt have the time to spare

[Bjornebye]

I wonder if a certain poster will

grass to Dave crying like a dog rapist when Nunez slots his 20th…… 

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

10 hours ago, Torvald Utne said:

Averaged 4 goals per game...

What do you think about the points average in those games?

[Code]

41 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

I do wonder if people are viewing him as a ready made 'star striker,' given that we lost Mane and paid top dollar for him. 

 

But that's not been out M.O in the past. Both Mane and Salah, while quality players, didn't have reps as ready made star players when they came here, and both were made better over time.

 

Nunez is raw, but he's obviously talented. He gets into some good positions. His volley that Pickford tipped over was class and came out of nowhere. 

I agree with the view he is raw. 

 

It did not really come out of nowhere though, it came from a great pass from Salah, he saw Nunez and picked him out.