Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[skend04]

It's official now, prices that UK companies paid for raw materials jamp 20% in January. CPI Inflation jumps to 1.8% too and will soon outstrip wage rises, essentially signalling a wage cut for the majority. Happy Valentine's, it's the Brexit bonus.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

It's official now, prices that UK companies paid for raw materials jamp 20% in January. CPI Inflation jumps to 1.8% too and will soon outstrip wage rises, essentially signalling a wage cut for the majority. Happy Valentine's, it's the Brexit bonus.

 

Just more facts from the looney-left, tying to make us look bad.

 

We're tired of listening to experts skend04!

[Strontium]

Raising wages does not "invariably" increase the risk of a reduction in the number of jobs.

Nice little quote mine there.

 

What I actually wrote was: Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

 

If I employ 10 people on £10 a day, and the company has a turnover of £120 a day, then that is £20 profit for the business.

 

If I then have to increase wages to £15 a day, then the company is running at a £30 daily loss, which is unsustainable unless you're in the business of government.

 

So something has to give, whether that is a reduction in the number of jobs, or an increase in prices, or both.

[Anny Road]

Seriously do some of you halfwits believe that the UK will overnight become a pariah or economic backwater?

 

Why? What has changed?

Nothing has changed except our bargaining position. 

 

This is where the remain supporters I admit have a point. We are on the face of it in a weaker position post Brexit. However we can and should turn this into an advantage.

[Mook]

Nice little quote mine there.

 

What I actually wrote was: Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

 

If I employ 10 people on £10 a day, and the company has a turnover of £120 a day, then that is £20 profit for the business.

 

If I then have to increase wages to £15 a day, then the company is running at a £30 daily loss, which is unsustainable unless you're in the business of government.

 

So something has to give, whether that is a reduction in the number of jobs, or an increase in prices, or both.

 

Would you not accept that there may be a correlation between wages & productivity?

 

Pay people a bit more & the turnover might not stay as it is, they might actually give a fuck about their job.

[Anny Road]

Nice little quote mine there.

 

What I actually wrote was: Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

 

If I employ 10 people on £10 a day, and the company has a turnover of £120 a day, then that is £20 profit for the business.

 

If I then have to increase wages to £15 a day, then the company is running at a £30 daily loss, which is unsustainable unless you're in the business of government.

 

So something has to give, whether that is a reduction in the number of jobs, or an increase in prices, or both.

SD.

Just a quick question.

In your extensive work history how many employees have you been responsible for?

How many wage packets have you filled?

How many employees mortgages have you been responsible for?

[cloggypop]

SD's example forgets to mention management pay and the CEO on 300+ times the average worker wage.

[mattyq]

Seriously do some of you halfwits believe that the UK will overnight become a pariah or economic backwater?

 

Why? What has changed?

Nothing has changed except our bargaining position. 

 

This is where the remain supporters I admit have a point. We are on the face of it in a weaker position post Brexit. However we can and should turn this into an advantage.

Not to mention exiting the Single Market which is the largest and richest single market in the world which takes 44% of our exports

Oh, and our currency depreciating by 20%

Apart from that not much

[Hades]

The cunt makes every thread unreadable with his obfuscating semantic bullshit, the horrible over-privileged spoilt, hypocritical brat.

[magicrat]

Not to mention exiting the Single Market which is the largest and richest single market in the world which takes 44% of our exports

Oh, and our currency depreciating by 20%

Apart from that not much

 

Inflation and a weaker NATO would not be something I would have voted for in a referendum either

[skend04]

Really strange that this wasn't run during the referendum but R4 PM show are answering people's questions about Brexit. So something to consider on your drive home.

[Jairzinho]

Would you not accept that there may be a correlation between wages & productivity?

 

 

Not any more there isn't. 

 

Only one of them is increasing.

[Jairzinho]

The cunt makes every thread unreadable with his obfuscating semantic bullshit, the horrible over-privileged spoilt, hypocritical brat.

 

Ha.

[Section_31]

Is that a bad thing

 

Youd hope it would lead to them companies actually paying a fair fucking wage with sick benefits rather than minimum wage. The porters in my local hospital are outsourced. Get paid 5p over minimum wage with no sick pay. You'd hope they'd be forced now to pay a fair wage and give them benefits attracting people to the job.(not thst they shouldn't have been doing it before) Its not like the agencirs were not being paid enough by the NHS before

 

This is the issue that's always conveniently skirted over. When they say 'Brits won't do these jobs' they mean 'Brits won't do these jobs for the shit wages big business is prepared to pay'. 

 

That's how labour-capital is supposed to interact, supply and demand. 

 

If I could magic my fingers and create a million brain surgeons in the UK, their wage would drop to minimum wage, but I can't, they're on good money because there aren't many able to do the job. 

[Strontium]

The cunt makes every thread unreadable with his obfuscating semantic bullshit, the horrible over-privileged spoilt, hypocritical brat.

 

An unusually honest appraisal of yourself there, Hades.

[Strontium]

This is the issue that's always conveniently skirted over. When they say 'Brits won't do these jobs' they mean 'Brits won't do these jobs for the shit wages big business is prepared to pay'. 

 

That's how labour-capital is supposed to interact, supply and demand. 

 

If I could magic my fingers and create a million brain surgeons in the UK, their wage would drop to minimum wage, but I can't, they're on good money because there aren't many able to do the job.

 

Supply and demand is distorted by the welfare state, of course.

 

If welfare was to vanish overnight (nb for the trolls - I'm not advocating this, just using it as a hypothetical) you would find that an awful lot more people would be willing to take up those low-paid jobs for the market rate.

[Barrington Womble]

Nice little quote mine there.

 

What I actually wrote was: Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

 

If I employ 10 people on £10 a day, and the company has a turnover of £120 a day, then that is £20 profit for the business.

 

If I then have to increase wages to £15 a day, then the company is running at a £30 daily loss, which is unsustainable unless you're in the business of government.

 

So something has to give, whether that is a reduction in the number of jobs, or an increase in prices, or both.

Or an increase in sales if you can improve productivity.

[Naz17]

Various ideas being branded about here. In reality, as with most things, is there isn't a clear cut answer and depends on the detail.

 

Those who claim paying higher wages are a boost to the economy through higher productivity are referring to "efficiency wages" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficiency_wage). 

 

There may be some merit in paying workers more than the market clearing wage if that genuinely boosts productivity. But as long as wages are higher than workers' productivity across the whole economy it is likely that higher costs faced by firms will either result in higher rates of unemployment or inflation.

 

The interesting question is - are workers being paid less than their productivity deserves? If so, where is the market failure occurring and how to address it? 

[Anubis]

https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/mass-sexual-assaults-by-refugees-in-frankfurt-completely-made-up

 

 

Prosecutors in Frankfurt are investigating two people for making up a crime, after they claimed in a national newspaper that dozens of Arab men rioted and sexually assaulted women at New Year.

 

The claims first appeared in Bild newspaper on February 6th, which described the men as a “rioting sex mob,” speculating that they had come from a refugee home in central Hesse.

 

In an article since taken down from its website, the tabloid interviewed a well-known chef who runs a restaurant on Fressgass street, as well as a 27-year-old woman.

 

The chef, Jan Mai, claimed that 50 Arab men caused havoc in his restaurant as well as in others. He also claimed that they sexually assaulted women and stole jackets.

 

The woman told the newspaper that “they grabbed me under my skirt, between the legs and on my breast - everywhere.”

 

But police confirmed on Tuesday to the Frankfurter Rundschau that their investigation of the allegations had led them to believe that they were spurious.

 

“Interviews with alleged witnesses, guests and employees led to major doubts with the version of events that had been presented,” the police said.

 

“One of the alleged victims was not even in Frankfurt at the time the allegations are said to have taken place.”

 

The police were indeed unequivocal in how they understood the events to have unfolded.

 

“Masses of refugees were not responsible for any sexual assaults in the Fressgass over New Year. The accusations are completely baseless,” the police said.

 

Before the Bild report, no sexual assaults were reported to police from Fressgass over New Year.

 

Prosecutors are now looking into whether Mai and the 27-year-old woman made up the story.

 

Bild newspaper is bitterly resented by the German left, which accuses it of having stoked hatred against immigrants over decades.

 

On its website Bild published a statement on Tuesday, saying “Bild apologizes expressly for the untruthful article and the accusations made in it.

 

“This article in no way met the journalistic standards of Bild.”

 

Bild's online editor-in-chief, Julian Reichelt, also promised consequences on Twitter.

 

But other social media users were not prepared to forgive the newspaper too easily.

 

“It’s too late. The damage has already been done,” one wrote.

 

“Ah, Bild is apologizing. You should do it more often given how many of your articles are fakes,” another wrote.

[njackets]

https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/mass-sexual-assaults-by-refugees-in-frankfurt-completely-made-up

 

 

 

Madness! Sooner we're out the better!

[REDTALISKER]

Good read here on Article 50 if anyone is interested in some of complexities involved. 

 

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-article-50-in-five-minutes

[Guest Pistonbroke]

https://www.thelocal.de/20170214/mass-sexual-assaults-by-refugees-in-frankfurt-completely-made-up

 

 

 

It will be no surprise to you mate that "The Bild Zeitung" is the German version of The Scum or the Daily Fail over here. 

[njackets]

A call to arms??

 

Fear not remainers....Tony Blair hasn't thrown the towell in just yet and is fighting your case..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179

[clangers]

A call to arms??

 

Fear not remainers....Tony Blair hasn't thrown the towell in just yet and is fighting your case..

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38996179

 

I can't think of anyone less suitable to be involved in leading a revolt against leaving. He's the one person who can unite leavers and remainers in a common cause.

[njackets]

I can't think of anyone less suitable to be involved in leading a revolt against leaving. He's the one person who can unite leavers and remainers in a common cause.

He seems to be speaking the same language as any of the remainers in here, I think he's the perfect poster boy for them.