Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

That sentence, if true, renders the EU just as useless over time.

Not really.

I was specifically referring to Murdoch, Rothermere and Desmond. The EU, unlike the UK Government, hasn't completely sold its arse to them, so it can act to curb their anti-democratic power.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39335904

A group of 72 MPs have written to the BBC accusing it of being pessimistic and skewed in its Brexit coverage - in the months since the vote on the EU.

In a letter to the director general, they said the BBC is "unfairly representing" Leave voters by focusing on those who regret their decision.

The MPs warned the future of the BBC "will be in doubt" if it is not seen as a impartial broker.

The BBC said it was its job to "scrutinise and analyse" Brexit issues.

The letter was organised by Conservative MP Julian Knight, a former BBC journalist who backed Remain but says that has not stopped him disagreeing with the stance of the coverage.

It was signed by 60 other Tories including Iain Duncan Smith and Theresa Villiers.

Two Conservative peers, three Labour MPs, eight DUP MPs, two DUP peers and UKIP's only MP, Douglas Carswell, also added their names.

'Future in doubt'

They said the BBC's inability to break out of "pre-referendum pessimism" and to accept new facts was skewing its coverage of Brexit.

"If politicians and the public don't view it as an impartial broker, then the future of the BBC will be in doubt," the letter stated.

It said many Leave-voting constituencies have felt their views have been unfairly represented by the BBC.

"This phenomenon is weakening the BBC's bond with the 52% who voted Leave and all who wish to make a success of the decision made," it added.

MPs also claimed the BBC had "skewed" good economic news since the referendum and "licence fee-payers have the right to expect better".

The letter, which was also copied to the incoming chair of the BBC Board Sir David Clementi, did not include any specific examples.

It is best understood as a warning from the BBC's detractors that they expect a reasonable hearing in the Brexit negotiations in Europe, says the BBC's media editor Amol Rajan.

'Job to scrutinise'

The MPs said BBC bias can have a substantial effect on the national debate and its coverage also shapes international perception of the UK.

"We fear that, by misrepresenting our country either as xenophobic or regretful of the Leave vote, the BBC will undermine our efforts to carve out a new, global role for this country," they added.

The MPs urged the BBC to take steps to "correct these flaws" in its Brexit coverage.

A BBC spokesman said: "While we are always live to our critics and understand that passions are running high on all sides of the debate, it is the job of the BBC to scrutinise and analyse the issues on behalf of the public and to hold politicians to account across the political spectrum.

"That is what the BBC has been doing. It is what the BBC will continue to do. It is precisely because of this, that the public trusts the BBC."

 

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Cheeky cunts. I bet they didn't send the Mail, Scum, Express etc a letter. They do enough to show the rest of the World what some think, do these fucking MP's not think that the red tops are scrutinised by other countries? Plus other countries are well aware of things, it's why the UK are disliked by many, also due to the arrogance and the insistence to bang on about Wars at every opportunity, as if they are the sole reason for freedom. It's like a certain sport, Wars can't be counted before the first great one as it sheds a different light on all the shit the UK pulled off.  

[Rico1304]

Next Wednesday then? Might treat myself to a beer and that Cuban I brought back from Mexico.

Did you ever reply to my question on eroding workers rights?

[TheBitch]

Did you ever reply to my question on eroding workers rights?

No.

[REDTALISKER]

If you think the letter to the BBC is bad what about Bill Cash's suggestion yesterday that we remind the EU negotiators that the UK wrote off half of Germany's world war 2 debt in 1953.

[A Red]

I can see why you voted Brexit. 

Yep, just a thick cunt that deserves to be homeless

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If you think the letter to the BBC is bad what about Bill Cash's suggestion yesterday that we remind the EU negotiators that the UK wrote off half of Germany's world war 2 debt in 1953.

I think the time to bring that up was when Germany were leading the punishment beating of Greece a couple of years ago.

[Lee909]

If you think the letter to the BBC is bad what about Bill Cash's suggestion yesterday that we remind the EU negotiators that the UK wrote off half of Germany's world war 2 debt in 1953.

Maybe we could remind Poland how much we helped them too

 

 

Oh wait......

[VladimirIlyich]

Maybe we could remind Poland how much we helped them too

 

 

Oh wait......

They were Danzig in the streets.

[Moctezuma]

I think the time to bring that up was when Germany were leading the punishment beating of Greece a couple of years ago.

 

All the Brexiteers seem to mention the Greek thing constantly, which is bizarre because we do not have the Euro as a currency.

 

Regarding the letter to the BBC I find it pathetic, one of my mates works for Children in Need and she gets sent the BBC's round robin email where they tally up all the people on both the left and the right that slander the corporation daily, it's contents are normally quite amusing. In general the BBC tends to reflect the government of the days position as is predictable due to the renewal of the licence fee.

 

That trend goes all the way back to the general strike where Reith backed the government via the BBC's reporting (at a time when radio transmissions were nearly the most potent source of information in the country). The broadcaster also use to send basically all of it applications for jobs to MI5 to filter out undesirables (i.e. people to the left of the Labour party and complete neo-nazi's).

[magicrat]

let's fucking hope so, the dumb cunts.

 

Indeed but poverty isn't selective unfortunately 

[magicrat]

If you think the letter to the BBC is bad what about Bill Cash's suggestion yesterday that we remind the EU negotiators that the UK wrote off half of Germany's world war 2 debt in 1953.

 

Bill Cash is up there with some of the worst oxygen thieves in the Tory party, Him and Rees Mogg would be in my top ten politicians for burning at the stake. Shit-stain of a human being

[skend04]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39337909

 

Inflation has jumped up to 2.3% and is now running neck and neck with the apparent wage growth. That's a 27% rise if you want to sound alarmist. Also, I say apparent because it's likely the obscene rises at the upper echelons masks the meagre rises lower down the chain.

[Red Phoenix]

Not really.

I was specifically referring to Murdoch, Rothermere and Desmond. The EU, unlike the UK Government, hasn't completely sold its arse to them, so it can act to curb their anti-democratic power.

 

Can see your point, am thinking that the EU could be just as bad over time though. Right now it seems a lot better and what I was getting at doesn't justify Brexit because it looks like we've sped up being fucked over, even if the EU does have to tread a lot more carefully now. As time passes and each country has to deal with their own equivalents of Murdoch and others though, that should be reflected in their representation at the European Parliament. Then you mix in all of the lobbyists and the whole structure will probably be weakened until similar levels of corruption to what's in the UK and US start to surface.

 

That could take a while to happen though if it does, and clearly it's a complex situation with the full range of consequences being way beyond what we can fully understand. The worst case in the short term (at least for the UK) could be that the population of the EU countries put up a good enough fight, the EU starts working a lot more democratically and we're left here with a fucked up government having a nightmare. Would prefer to think that things will eventually get better here as well though because the alternative is too depressing to think about.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Indeed but poverty isn't selective unfortunately

True dat.

 

Poverty is like wealth - "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

[Pidge]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39337909

 

Inflation has jumped up to 2.3% and is now running neck and neck with the apparent wage growth. That's a 27% rise if you want to sound alarmist. Also, I say apparent because it's likely the obscene rises at the upper echelons masks the meagre rises lower down the chain.

 

Outstripped my raise this year already and I'm lucky enough to be in an industry that awards one. No rises for those who need the margin.

[Kloppite]

If you think the letter to the BBC is bad what about Bill Cash's suggestion yesterday that we remind the EU negotiators that the UK wrote off half of Germany's world war 2 debt in 1953.

Didn't we do that because after bankrupting Germany after the 1st world war it gave the naxis the ammunition and support to start world war 2?

 

So in effect it was a tactical decision to rebuild Germany and Japan instead of looting them both in the hope they would be less motivated to start war no.3?

[stringvest]

Indeed but poverty isn't selective unfortunately 

 

 

you're right, sadly. 

[Denny Crane]

Put in the Corbyn thread but has relevance here. Results from a YouGov sample size of 1096 with 961 voting remain .

 

 

 

Asked about how Labour should approach Brexit at the next general election 41% of people said the party should promise to go ahead with Brexit, but look to negotiate a close relationship with the rest of the EU. A position that is most similar to Labour’s current stance. Just under a third, 30 per cent, wanted the party to promise to hold a second referendum on whether Britain should go ahead with Brexit or remain in the EU after all and a minority, 11 per cent, said Labour should promise to stop Brexit and keep Britain inside the EU

 

Raw Data.

 

https://d25d2506sfb9...urMembers_W.pdf

[njackets]

Not really.

I was specifically referring to Murdoch, Rothermere and Desmond. The EU, unlike the UK Government, hasn't completely sold its arse to them, so it can act to curb their anti-democratic power.

What gives you that idea?

[njackets]

Did you ever reply to my question on eroding workers rights?

What was the question?

[njackets]

Yep, just a thick cunt that deserves to be homeless

I bet you've got a shit job as well!

[Rico1304]

What was the question?

Fox has said this;

 

 

How does that make you feel?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

What gives you that idea?

Reality.

 

Take a peek at it sometime.

[njackets]

Fox has said this;

 

 

How does that make you feel?

I was waiting for a question on the erosion of workers rights?