Is Klopp another Rodgers?

[cuppatea]

It means you didn't lose the semi-final.

 

And losing in the semi-final means you didn't lose in the quarters, but ultimately no one gives a fuck where you go out of a cup if you don't win the thing.

[Captain]

Speak for yourself, I'd rather get to the final.

[ritchie]

You wish we had won a final in the past three seasons. Getting there and losing means absolutely fuck all.

He's already won it and at least beat Bayern in the semi on their own ground.

 

In 3 years (or in his career) Rodgers hasn't beaten one good team in a cup competition.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

It's so laughable that people are questioning Klopp's abilities as a manager.

[kemskem]

Time for an older guy at the helm: Ancelotti. I just feel we'd have more stability with him and it's what the club needs at the moment.

shouldn't have let Hodgson go, actually.

[dennis tooth]

It's so laughable that people are questioning Klopp's abilities as a manager.

To be honest, I know hes a better manager than rod but Im not totally sure about klopp against the other top 4 managers with less resources and a squad that contains balotelli etc, the committee above him should it remain, he looks like a man who uncovers diamonds spotting their purity rather than for polishing turds. Ive no doubt he will be an improvement on what we have. Just got a nagging doubt, theres a lot of things gonna happen yet though before we are at that point things will be clearer, werner flying over is interesting maybe burst into rods and gords in bed through the front door with a baseball bat asking what the hells been going on, whilst marios hiding in the wardrobe.

Whats gwanon wit city anyway are they getting a new manager too, that seems to have died down now Id have expected them to be interested in klopp but maybe theyve agreed sam araldyte? Pellegrini was a dead man walking most the season? Watch us piss about only for city to take our target.

[ritchie]

Klopp was burnt out at Dortmund after 7 years or whatever it was and several years of them punching well above their weight and losing his best players to Bayern took its toll. Dortmund are light years behind Bayern as a club and budget wise are similar to the likes of Wolsbsburg, Leverkusen and Schalke who can often pay more for players and wages than Dortmund can. Dortmund certainly couldn't dream of spending 120 million in a transfer window but has still had them competing in the CL for the last 3 years.

 

It was similar to Rafa's last year when he was burnt out in year 6. The only worry i'd have with Klopp is Rafa jumped straight into that Inter job after leaving us and it was the wrong time to go there and he could have probably done with a break. Klopp could probably use a rest now and it's not a great time to be Liverpool manager. I really think the shambles of last summer and this season has set us back years, while the top 4 power ahead.

 

It's going to take some fixing and next year is going to be transitional again, whoever is in charge. In year 3 of whatever plan we're no better off than we were in 2012. We're going nowhere if Ings, Benteke and Clyne is the best we can do. Under Rodgers it is, but it remains to be seen what another manager could bring in.

[JermainePennant]

BR has never won anything you fucking slavering simpleton! Klopp has won many trophies, including 2 league titles! You are, by some distance, the most clueless poster I've ever encountered anywhere.

What has that got to do with Klopp not having a plan b, it was said before this season started teams had found a way to stop him and he hasn't come up with a soloution.

 

Taking his best player off with ten minutes to go in a final they are losing is the kind of thing our fans go mad about, BR gets dissed for how he is in press conferences etc and it would be the same with Klopp.

[Nightcat]

At least Klopp did not take his best man off, in order to offer him the chance to receive a standing ovation by the disgusting Chelsea fans.

 

It would be such a progress if Rodgers could get Liverpool to a Cup final.

 

Three trophyless seasons and counting.

 

Rodgers Out, Klopp In.

[Stu Monty]

So is this our new mantra, "We are Liverpool, we exist to bin cup competitions so we can try to finish top 4".

 

Wow how the mighty have fallen.

 

Well, accepting the realities that we have actually fallen is the first step to getting back up. 

 

Playing more games, and taking more competitions seriously, is going to take a bigger spread of quality in a squad. If we genuinely want to get back to being regular challengers then it is a long, long, long road to get there and it has to be done in steps. If the major step is to try and increase the regularity of Champions League football for the club then taking the cups less seriously might have to be considered. 

 

Just saying "We are Liverpool!" is about as much practical use as telling everyone you are the king as a revolutionary mob are dragging you out of your palace.

 

Being Liverpool is as difficult as it gets at the moment and it might take some different thinking if the gap between the expectations and the reality is to be jumped.

[Rotpeter]

Well, accepting the realities that we have actually fallen is the first step to getting back up. 

 

Playing more games, and taking more competitions seriously, is going to take a bigger spread of quality in a squad. If we genuinely want to get back to being regular challengers then it is a long, long, long road to get there and it has to be done in steps. If the major step is to try and increase the regularity of Champions League football for the club then taking the cups less seriously might have to be considered. 

 

Just saying "We are Liverpool!" is about as much practical use as telling everyone you are the king as a revolutionary mob are dragging you out of your palace.

 

Being Liverpool is as difficult as it gets at the moment and it might take some different thinking if the gap between the expectations and the reality is to be jumped.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the solution to our problems is to say "We are liverpool" alot.

 

The suggestions I've seen, most of which seem quite sound, are:

 

1/ Buy better players.

2/ When you buy players, play them in roles they are good at vs. ones they are bad at.

3/ Through advanced coaching techniques extract performances from them that at least match those achieved by their prior no-mark manager.

4/ Through cunning strategizing setup the team to exceed the sum of its parts.

[Stu Monty]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the solution to our problems is to say "We are liverpool" alot.

 

The suggestions I've seen, most of which seem quite sound, are:

 

1/ Buy better players.

2/ When you buy players, play them in roles they are good at vs. ones they are bad at.

3/ Through advanced coaching techniques extract performances from them that at least match those achieved by their prior no-mark manager.

4/ Through cunning strategizing setup the team to exceed the sum of its parts.

 

Let's hope nobody else finds out that's the secret too. It might take away the strategic advantage that such wisdom will give us.

[kalasoma]

Are we any closer to concluding whether or not Klopp is another Rodgers?

[Rotpeter]

Let's hope nobody else finds out that's the secret too. It might take away the strategic advantage that such wisdom will give us.

It's no secret, the secret is knowing that knowing is not enough and that you need someone who is actually able to do those things as opposed to someone who can write a 160 page dossier about doing those things.

[setreal]

Are we any closer to concluding whether or not Klopp is another Rodgers?

 

I'd say Rodgers is probably a "Klopp at Mainz" but not a "Klopp at Dortmund" (yet). Whether he will be able to make that step, only time will tell - be it at Liverpool or somewhere else.

[Bjornebye]

Dennis up there calling Rodgers 'Rod'.

[Stu Monty]

It's no secret, the secret is knowing that knowing is not enough and that you need someone who is actually able to do those things as opposed to someone who can write a 160 page dossier about doing those things.

 

I think most professional clubs know that secret too.

 

Turns out they still find it quite difficult.

[Boss]

Well, accepting the realities that we have actually fallen is the first step to getting back up. 

 

Playing more games, and taking more competitions seriously, is going to take a bigger spread of quality in a squad. If we genuinely want to get back to being regular challengers then it is a long, long, long road to get there and it has to be done in steps. If the major step is to try and increase the regularity of Champions League football for the club then taking the cups less seriously might have to be considered. 

 

Just saying "We are Liverpool!" is about as much practical use as telling everyone you are the king as a revolutionary mob are dragging you out of your palace.

 

Being Liverpool is as difficult as it gets at the moment and it might take some different thinking if the gap between the expectations and the reality is to be jumped.

 

Being Liverpool is not as difficult as it gets in the slightest. We are top 10 in the world in terms of revenue, the tv deal for the premier league is going to push us up even further and make it less possible for the likes of Dortmund, Valencia etc to compete with us directly.

 

It would help if we had a manager in charge that had a fucking clue, a set of owners that admit they know nothing about how to run a successful football club on the pitch and people behind the scenes that make the chuckle brothers seem competent. Our failure has nothing to do with the fans expectations, the fans are the reason this club isn't in administration or in the championship because everyone associated with running the club has done it arseways for years from a commercial perspective and from a footballing perspective.

[Stu Monty]

Being Liverpool is not as difficult as it gets in the slightest. We are top 10 in the world in terms of revenue, the tv deal for the premier league is going to push us up even further and make it less possible for the likes of Dortmund, Valencia etc to compete with us directly.

 

It would help if we had a manager in charge that had a fucking clue, a set of owners that admit they know nothing about how to run a successful football club on the pitch and people behind the scenes that make the chuckle brothers seem competent. Our failure has nothing to do with the fans expectations, the fans are the reason this club isn't in administration or in the championship because everyone associated with running the club has done it arseways for years from a commercial perspective and from a footballing perspective.

 

Dortmund and Valencia aren't in our league. Not sure why you think them competing with us is the issue.

 

Being the 10th richest club in the world is not much good if you are the 5th richest club in your league and as such players don't see you as a champions league standard club. 

 

We've had two managers that have finished second in the recent past, which was considered failure. They are both hated by a considerable portion of the fans. That is genuinely part of the problem.

[Nightcat]

One of them won the CL and the FA cup, the other one has not won anything ever.

[Boss]

Dortmund and Valencia aren't in our league. Not sure why you think them competing with us is the issue.

 

Being the 10th richest club in the world is not much good if you are the 5th richest club in your league and as such players don't see you as a champions league standard club. 

 

We've had two managers that have finished second in the recent past, which was considered failure. They are both hated by a considerable portion of the fans. That is genuinely part of the problem.

 

We are ahead of Atletico, Juventus and Dortmund in the rich list, does that not tell you anything? Atletico are competing with the two best clubs in the world to win La Liga and the champions league, for Juventus they are trying to win the champions league and Serie A and for Dortmund it's usually to compete with Bayern for the league and try to get to at least a quarter final in the champions league.

 

For us it's okay to finish 6th, get dicked by Stoke and Crystal Palace, get knocked out of both the league and the FA cup, get shamefully dumped at the first attempt from the UEFA. The thing about the UEFA cup is there was no-one else in that competition that could compete with us financially. We were the financial juggernaut in that competition and yet we still got pulverised.

 

If people talk about what is a "par" requirement then winning the UEFA is our par. You can't have it both ways and say we can't compete with Chelsea and City but then exonerate our UEFA cup campaign when we bestride the other teams in every aspect from size, support, revenue, sponsorship, everything. Point is we are the only club failing to live up to what you would term par, teams below us (in the rich list) are wildly exceeding the expectations we set ourselves, competing in leagues with much better teams than Chelsea and City. 

[Stu Monty]

We are ahead of Atletico, Juventus and Dortmund in the rich list, does that not tell you anything? Atletico are competing with the two best clubs in the world to win La Liga and the champions league, for Juventus they are trying to win the champions league and Serie A and for Dortmund it's usually to compete with Bayern for the league and try to get to at least a quarter final in the champions league.

 

For us it's okay to finish 6th, get dicked by Stoke and Crystal Palace, get knocked out of both the league and the FA cup, get shamefully dumped at the first attempt from the UEFA. The thing about the UEFA cup is there was no-one else in that competition that could compete with us financially. We were the financial juggernaut in that competition and yet we still got pulverised.

 

If people talk about what is a "par" requirement then winning the UEFA is our par. You can't have it both ways and say we can't compete with Chelsea and City but then exonerate our UEFA cup campaign when we bestride the other teams in every aspect from size, support, revenue, sponsorship, everything. Point is we are the only club failing to live up to what you would term par, teams below us (in the rich list) are wildly exceeding the expectations we set ourselves, competing in leagues with much better teams than Chelsea and City. 

 

Do you genuinely not see the difference about talking about league campaigns and cup competitions with regards to resources?

[ratcatcher]

Erm I'd happily settle for being the 20th richest club in the world if we could fucking win the Premier League every now and then. Just saying.

[Boss]

Do you genuinely not see the difference about talking about league campaigns and cup competitions with regards to resources?

 

Your implying that it's the fans who are to blame for our general malaise as a club, saying the fans hated Rafa which is just complete bullshit by the way. Rafa was universally loved by the fans, nobody could argue otherwise, it wasn't the fans handing Rafa his p45 outside Anfield, it was the two pieces of shit behind the scenes and you know that.

 

Your trying to shoehorn Rodgers into the equation by saying it's a similar scenario, when Rafa won us the champions league, got to another final, finished 2nd, won the FA cup. I'm sure if Rodgers won all that he'd be revered and treated differently. i'm sure if Rodgers won the league last season he wouldn't be getting the stick he is now and he'd be universally backed, but then again he didn't, so we're into the realm of hypotheticals.

 

I personally would back him, but not at the expense of Ancelotti or Klopp, if they are interested in managing us then it's a no brainer. Brendan might end up a very good manager, he may end up a Steve Bruce character where he moves from one club to the next talking about new "projects".

 

But this season is not acceptable and it's not the fans or the people that have jumped on his back in the last month or so that are the problem, it's the clusterfuck within the club of stupid transfer strategy's, useless negotiator's, terrible signings, managers not rotating the squad effectively, players playing out of position and just the general incompetence of it all.

[moof]

Rafa was universally loved by the fans? If you think that you are truly deluded