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Elmyn Noos

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VladimirIlyich Grand Master

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9 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I've always assumed that the MOBOs existed as a counter to structural racism in the music industry. I don't know whether they achieve that.

I think there is a fair argument to now say that Black musicians and their music are now widely recognised in the mainstream. I don't know whether there are facts that prove this?

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Well, if you give me an example, I'll be able to give you an opinion on them. The only one who springs to mind is Katie Hopkins, and I've definitely criticised her on here.   Layla is not un

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I'd put a bounty on her head

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That group being "people who were complicit in the obvious exaggeration of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and thereby helped saddle us with a thoroughly racist government".

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6 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

@A RedRed has a question.

 

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I don't think he liked it being pointed out that white people win MOBO's. 

 

5 hours ago, Mudface said:

 

Erm, well the MOBOs are a separate award ceremony, not a category within the Brits or whatever it was in the other thread, so I don't see what the problem is.

 

I don't see a problem with it either. I wonder why anyone would? 

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NUS failed to challenge antisemitism - report - BBC News


NUS failed to challenge antisemitism - report
 

The National Union of Students (NUS) has failed to sufficiently challenge antisemitism and hostility towards Jews in its own structures, an independent investigation has found.

Jewish students have been "subjected to harassment" and NUS policies have been breached, its report said.

The NUS apologised to Jewish students and said it would implement the report's recommendations.

The Union of Jewish Students (UJS) called the report "damning".

The report, which outlines the findings of the investigation announced by the NUS and led by lawyer Rebecca Tuck KC, did not recommend any sanctions.

Instead, it set out 11 recommendations - including the introduction of regular antisemitism training for NUS staff and officers, and producing educational materials on antisemitism and the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

The report said there was a "poor relationship" between the NUS and Jewish students, which "stems from views about and attitudes towards" the situation.

It said some complaints of antisemitism have been viewed in the NUS as being made in "bad faith to try and avert pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel policy advocacy".

"This has resulted in antisemitism, as well as hostility towards Jews, which has not been challenged sufficiently robustly or proactively by NUS," it said.

The report cites examples given by interviewees of antisemitism on campus, such as Jewish freshers having swastikas drawn on them during "white T-shirt parties".

It also lists examples within NUS spaces, such as:

  • a student being turned away from a prayer room because it was being used for a meeting
  • the phrase "final solution" being used in a discussion about representation on an anti-racism committee

One student attending an NUS event was told to enjoy "dead baby's blood" in a fizzy drink as a reference to a protest relating to the West Bank.

Kat Stark, director of NUS, said incidents of antisemitism in the report were "shocking" and it would be implementing all of Ms Tuck's recommendations, as well as a "zero-tolerance" policy on antisemitism.

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14 minutes ago, Strontium said:

NUS failed to challenge antisemitism - report - BBC News


NUS failed to challenge antisemitism - report
 

The National Union of Students (NUS) has failed to sufficiently challenge antisemitism and hostility towards Jews in its own structures, an independent investigation has found.

Jewish students have been "subjected to harassment" and NUS policies have been breached, its report said.

The NUS apologised to Jewish students and said it would implement the report's recommendations.

The Union of Jewish Students (UJS) called the report "damning".

The report, which outlines the findings of the investigation announced by the NUS and led by lawyer Rebecca Tuck KC, did not recommend any sanctions.

Instead, it set out 11 recommendations - including the introduction of regular antisemitism training for NUS staff and officers, and producing educational materials on antisemitism and the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

The report said there was a "poor relationship" between the NUS and Jewish students, which "stems from views about and attitudes towards" the situation.

It said some complaints of antisemitism have been viewed in the NUS as being made in "bad faith to try and avert pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel policy advocacy".

"This has resulted in antisemitism, as well as hostility towards Jews, which has not been challenged sufficiently robustly or proactively by NUS," it said.

The report cites examples given by interviewees of antisemitism on campus, such as Jewish freshers having swastikas drawn on them during "white T-shirt parties".

It also lists examples within NUS spaces, such as:

  • a student being turned away from a prayer room because it was being used for a meeting
  • the phrase "final solution" being used in a discussion about representation on an anti-racism committee

One student attending an NUS event was told to enjoy "dead baby's blood" in a fizzy drink as a reference to a protest relating to the West Bank.

Kat Stark, director of NUS, said incidents of antisemitism in the report were "shocking" and it would be implementing all of Ms Tuck's recommendations, as well as a "zero-tolerance" policy on antisemitism.

Looks like some students are badly in need of education.

 

This is where you need a proper Code of Conduct, clarifying what things are within the parameters of acceptable discourse and which things ("drink baby's blood", ffs!) are a straight red card.

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42 minutes ago, sir roger said:

As if any Jewish students would play the anti-semitism card to avoid criiticism of Israel.

Be interesting to see the ' educational material ' introduced re the Palestinian situation.

Nah.

 

Those examples in that post are fucking awful and nothing to do with anyone "playing the race card". Just because of some of the shit that happened in the Labour Party, you can't go dismissing every claim of anti-Semitism (not if you want to be an anti-racist).

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4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nah.

 

Those examples in that post are fucking awful and nothing to do with anyone "playing the race card". Just because of some of the shit that happened in the Labour Party, you can't go dismissing every claim of anti-Semitism (not if you want to be an anti-racist).

You mean not if you aren’t racist. 

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21 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nah.

 

Those examples in that post are fucking awful and nothing to do with anyone "playing the race card". Just because of some of the shit that happened in the Labour Party, you can't go dismissing every claim of anti-Semitism (not if you want to be an anti-racist).

 

Seems strange that if some of the awful accusations ( Blood drink / swastikas ) were proven as true, that no sanctions at all were recommended. 

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28 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Here's what the KC said.

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That seems to be touching on the two examples stated, not the two  most egregious examples I mentioned in my post.

My issue is that there are very strict race / religious bias laws in this country, see how quickly that stupid 'black man ' woman was in the cells over the weekend and charged, so I am sorry tbere is no way that drawing swastikas on a tee-shirt or suggesting a Jewish person should have baby blood in their drink would not pass the threshold for a police investigation, but nothing, even with a KC leading the inquiry.

 

Distinct parallels to the EHRC report that cost a fortune, took an age and not a single issue outlined worthy of police charges.

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Three people killed by LAPD in the first two weeks of the year.

 

Maybe these BLM protestors might be right to suggest that something is seriously fucking wrong.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/relative-of-black-lives-matter-co-founder-dies-after-being-repeatedly-tasered-by-us-police-12786349# 

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17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Three people killed by LAPD in the first two weeks of the year.

 

Maybe these BLM protestors might be right to suggest that something is seriously fucking wrong.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/relative-of-black-lives-matter-co-founder-dies-after-being-repeatedly-tasered-by-us-police-12786349# 

 

Have you seen this story from just before xmas??? Paramedics attended a man who was hallucinating, strapped him face down to the stretcher and he died from asphyxiation. 

 

https://www.illinoistimes.com/springfield/ems-workers-face-murder-charges/Content?oid=16299572

 

 

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