Kenneth Dalglish - is he the man? I have my doubts

[Mitch]

Nothing’s really changed under Kenny Dalglish has it – outwardly anyway. This is not a team that looks any closer to challenging the league’s elite team than the ones built by Rafael Benitez or Gerard Houllier. What I see, and what most who are objective see, is two or three world class players surrounded by a lot of average British players.

 

Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson, and Andy Carroll? I promise you this, no side that ever wins anything will include any of those players. All of them brought to the club by Dalglish, all for exaggerated transfer fees – and one for the most absurd transfer fee that the football market has ever seen.

 

When Dalglish returned as manager, the concern was that he would try and apply a previously successful philosophy to rebuilding the team – the one that served him so well at Blackburn. But that’s the problem, that was over fifteen years ago. The players brought in over the Summer are just so British, and by which I mean that they’re one-dimensional. Those are no longer the components needed for a successful Premier League club.

 

The reign of Rafa Benitez seems to be derided an awful lot with hindsight, but look at the team he built; Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, Luis Garcia, Pepe Reina. Those were players to be envied and feared by other teams. Do you get any sense of dread from watching Stewart Downing cut back in off his wing half-a-dozen times?

 

Don’t tell me that he needs time to get this right, because he’s had time – and he’s had two transfer windows and an awful lot of cash to create a team that’s supposed to challenge for a place in the top four. That’s not going to happen, at least that’s not where this team is headed for.

 

Whether the team is better to watch is really irrelevant, they’re still dropping points in games where they shouldn’t. Isn’t that a hallmark of Liverpool in the Premier League era? Playing up to the Sky cameras one week and then getting done by some cannon fodder the week after? What’s improved?

 

The story is great; a legend returning to lead a club back to where it feels it belongs, but that’s just romanticism. Dalglish is a great man, and his contribution to Liverpool and to the game as a whole is unquantifiable – but it feels like he might might be in danger of tarnishing his legacy.

 

I think most people want a strong Liverpool for the sake of the league, they are still one of the most storied football clubs in world football – but I don’t think Dalglish is capable of creating a title-contender. Ironically, it’s this kind of backwards thinking that hurts the club so much, at the time of the Dalglish appointment they needed a fresh face – someone with a different approach to the game. Instead, it just feels like they’ve gone for the immediate feel good factor that Dalglish was capable of bringing. The anti-Hodgson.

 

The end of the Rafa Benitez reign combined with Roy Hodgson’s tenure created a false reality at the club, everything seemed much worse than it really was – hence any slight improvement was always going to bring with it a disproportionate sense of achievement.

 

Kenny was the short-term fix, he’s not the long-term solution.

 

 

Short thing on downing - It must be a dream for a left-back to face Stewart Downing, because any time he plays wide-right he’s very predictable. Either he’s cutting back onto his left-foot, or he’s going down the line to over-hit a cross

[Strontium]

Kenny Dalglish has always and will always be the man.

[RobbieOR]

Kenny Dalglish is cooler than the fonz.

 

'Nuff said.

[Jim MM]

[razor]

I think most people want a strong Liverpool for the sake of the league, they are still one of the most storied football clubs in world football – but I don’t think Dalglish is capable of creating a title-contender.

 

"We". Manc.

 

I think most people want a strong Liverpool for the sake of the league, they are still one of the most storied football clubs in world football – but I don’t think Dalglish is capable of creating a title-contender.

 

"Storied"? Yank.

 

I don’t think Dalglish is capable of creating a title-contender.

 

Manc yank.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

[col06]

The players brought in over the Summer are just so British, and by which I mean that they’re one-dimensional

 

[stevienando]

The entire culture and mentality of the club is changing. You must be fucking joking when you say things haven't changed from last season.

 

He's not even been here a full season and you're already calling his managerial ability into question? Fuck off fuck off fuck off.

[Dante]

[Lurtz]

This brilliant insight comes from a man who used to refer to Benitez as "fatty" or "the fat fraud."

 

I expected to see a thread like this, and I expected it to be started by someone who's been negged shitless and someone with form for talking shit. Correct on both counts.

 

I don't suppose anyone else thinks that Kenny is still building the team by any chance? Do any of the fuckwits on here ever listen to him, when he's said things like Carroll being a long term investment? Someone on the match thread was alluding to Carroll being sold. Fucking ridiculous.

 

Kenny's target this season is top four. Then and only then will we attract the kind of world class players who will keep us there. If he doesn't make top four he's failed. John Henry has pretty much made that clear and I'd expect to see a change if (god forbid) we finish outside the top four. Until that day comes I'd suggest mongy threads like this one are treated with utter contempt and the same goes for the OP.

 

So, Mitch, as my honourable friend Jim MM said; Fuck Off.

[mypost]

Nothing’s really changed under Kenny Dalglish has it – outwardly anyway. This is not a team that looks any closer to challenging the league’s elite team than the ones built by Rafael Benitez or Gerard Houllier. What I see, and what most who are objective see, is two or three world class players surrounded by a lot of average British players.

 

Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson, and Andy Carroll? I promise you this, no side that ever wins anything will include any of those players. All of them brought to the club by Dalglish, all for exaggerated transfer fees – and one for the most absurd transfer fee that the football market has ever seen.

 

When Dalglish returned as manager, the concern was that he would try and apply a previously successful philosophy to rebuilding the team – the one that served him so well at Blackburn. But that’s the problem, that was over fifteen years ago. The players brought in over the Summer are just so British, and by which I mean that they’re one-dimensional. Those are no longer the components needed for a successful Premier League club.

 

The reign of Rafa Benitez seems to be derided an awful lot with hindsight, but look at the team he built; Fernando Torres, Xabi Alonso, Luis Garcia, Pepe Reina. Those were players to be envied and feared by other teams. Do you get any sense of dread from watching Stewart Downing cut back in off his wing half-a-dozen times?

 

Don’t tell me that he needs time to get this right, because he’s had time – and he’s had two transfer windows and an awful lot of cash to create a team that’s supposed to challenge for a place in the top four. That’s not going to happen, at least that’s not where this team is headed for.

 

Whether the team is better to watch is really irrelevant, they’re still dropping points in games where they shouldn’t. Isn’t that a hallmark of Liverpool in the Premier League era? Playing up to the Sky cameras one week and then getting done by some cannon fodder the week after? What’s improved?

 

The story is great; a legend returning to lead a club back to where it feels it belongs, but that’s just romanticism. Dalglish is a great man, and his contribution to Liverpool and to the game as a whole is unquantifiable – but it feels like he might might be in danger of tarnishing his legacy.

 

I think most people want a strong Liverpool for the sake of the league, they are still one of the most storied football clubs in world football – but I don’t think Dalglish is capable of creating a title-contender. Ironically, it’s this kind of backwards thinking that hurts the club so much, at the time of the Dalglish appointment they needed a fresh face – someone with a different approach to the game. Instead, it just feels like they’ve gone for the immediate feel good factor that Dalglish was capable of bringing. The anti-Hodgson.

 

The end of the Rafa Benitez reign combined with Roy Hodgson’s tenure created a false reality at the club, everything seemed much worse than it really was – hence any slight improvement was always going to bring with it a disproportionate sense of achievement.

 

Kenny was the short-term fix, he’s not the long-term solution.

 

You could have just said: "Neg me" and that would have been enough.

[moof]

Wum alert.

[Iceman]

[Iceman]

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[Iceman]

[moof]

Can I be amazingly pedantic and point out Luis Enrique is the manager of Roma and Jose Enrique is the left back of LFC :whistleyface: :lolz:

 

 

Vehemently agree with the rest of your post!

[Magic Sponge]

Go and eat barbed wire.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I got to as far as the hyphen in the first sentence. Loads has changed. Mainly that we're battering teams 1-1 or 0-1 rather than being scraping a draw. We'll start finding the net soon, but Kenny can't score the goal for us.

[swarveone]

someone in work pointed out he bought british players so they would want to win FA cup or worthy cup, cos we aint in europe.

[Trucker Paddy]

someone in work pointed out he bought british players so they would want to win FA cup or worthy cup, cos we aint in europe.

 

Somebody in work?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

someone in work pointed out he bought british players so they would want to win FA cup or worthy cup, cos we aint in europe.

 

Dalglish didn't spend 35m on Carroll, 15m on Henderson, 20m on Downing just to win the FA Cup. He got them because he thought they'd get us in the top four and back into Europe and challenging for the league.

[zigackly]

Kenny Dalglish is cooler than the fonz.

 

'Nuff said.

 

[gumps]

Fuck me there's no patience among some these days is there? Suppose that's modern football for you.

 

I can imagine the furore if the internet was around during Kennys first first full season in charge 1985/86. I remember us being a bit ropey mid season after a similar start points wise to this one.

 

We're still on target for 4th, which was the realistic one. Compared to the other teams competing for that we are well in this.

[Total Longo]

someone in work pointed out he bought british players so they would want to win FA cup or worthy cup, cos we aint in europe.

 

ha ha ha! Ridiculous!

[KMD7]

A thread that deserves to be negged out of existence