Electric Vehicles.

[GR10 LFC]

Our work changed the company car scheme - now its a "sustainable" car scheme and open to all staff. I initially dismissed it as they looked expensive but when doing the maths properly, it worked out a little cheaper than what I was paying for my company car.

I took delivery of a Ford Kuga plug in hybrid last month. The gross payment for the lease is £590pm - but that is deducted before tax and NI, so I make a saving there of £248. When I then add the benefit in kind on of £102, it works out at £445 net each month.

 

I looked at Octopus but their customer service put me off just trying to get answers to some simple questions. I am with e-on - they had an EV tariff so I switched to that (not tied in) and my daily charge p/kwh increased slightly but I get an overnight charge of 9.5p p/kwh (which is for all electric - so have been using the timer on the dishwasher and washing machine where possible to capitalise on that as well). I had my annual figures from e-on and put them into a spreadsheet and made some assumptions on how often I would charge the car - my current tariff (on last years figures) was £145 - the new tariff increased that to £157. However, if I then factor in an assumption of how often I would charge the car per month, that should cost around £20pm, as opposed to £65 on my previous tariff, so should save me £36pm by switching (Octopus would have been another £11pm cheaper based on them figures).

[ZonkoVille77]

Parklife!!

[JagSquared]

My colleague has just had the battery on their 8 year old model S die. Only done 67k miles and is 23 days past its warranty. The Qoute to replace from Tesla?

 

 

 

just the 31 grand! 

[Poor Scouser T]

Its bollocks. We rely on China or African controlled China for the components. The China that burns more fossil fuels than anyone. Plus we import huge amounts of electricity from wherever it is cheapest usually from coal fired power producers.

People have the impression that electricity is green. That is a myth.#

The tech exists to run cars on water but the patents  have been seized under US national security laws, google it, i can't be arsed. 

There are still zillions to be made from oil so we can fuck off.

[dandyman]

22 hours ago, Raymond Duck said:

We get pretty decent salary sacrifice options for EV’s so going to get a Tesla Model Y with a wall charger via Pod Point. (Also discounted) 
 

 Bit clueless on General Electric tariffs, any recommendations or top tips appreciated. Thanks. 

I’d avoid that if you can.

indra, ohme, EO, wallbox to name but a few.

Heard good things about the myenergi kit, but no experience personally. If you went for that you could always console yourself in funding the life of a female entrepreneur from Grimsby (google Jordan Marie Brompton)

 

main thing is to get a smart meter and a smart charger, combined they’ll be able to tell what tariff your on, and you can automatically program charging when it’s cheapest.

 

Octopus have a variable tariff, so on the (very) odd occasion you can get paid to use electricity.

[Raymond Duck]

1 hour ago, dandyman said:

I’d avoid that if you can.

indra, ohme, EO, wallbox to name but a few.

Heard good things about the myenergi kit, but no experience personally. If you went for that you could always console yourself in funding the life of a female entrepreneur from Grimsby (google Jordan Marie Brompton)

 

main thing is to get a smart meter and a smart charger, combined they’ll be able to tell what tariff your on, and you can automatically program charging when it’s cheapest.

 

Octopus have a variable tariff, so on the (very) odd occasion you can get paid to use electricity.

What’s the issue with POD Point? I get 20% discount on the kit and install and they are the only recommended EV charger by Which? 

[dandyman]

10 hours ago, Raymond Duck said:

What’s the issue with POD Point? I get 20% discount on the kit and install and they are the only recommended EV charger by Which? 

Their kit is ‘dumb’ in comparison to many others out there and notoriously poor for reliability.

 

that’s based on being good friends with someone who runs an EV charging operator business who know refuses to instal them, cos they’ve been no o thing but trouble to them.

 

 

[Lee909]

I've personally seen 2 electric cars catch fire in the past 3 months. Not sure how true it is but saw a claim in some US political thing saying that you need to do 120,000 miles in a electric car before you negate the climate cost of making them  

 

Obviously something needs to be done to move away from oil but unless we vastly upgrade our electric systems I can't see electric being tbe way

 

Also as soon as everyone switches the electricity companies will have everyone by the bollocks like the oil companies do mow and they'll ramp prices up again to pay for infrastructure upgrades

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

37 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

I've personally seen 2 electric cars catch fire in the past 3 months. Not sure how true it is but saw a claim in some US political thing saying that you need to do 120,000 miles in a electric car before you negate the climate cost of making them  

 

Obviously something needs to be done to move away from oil but unless we vastly upgrade our electric systems I can't see electric being tbe way

 

Also as soon as everyone switches the electricity companies will have everyone by the bollocks like the oil companies do mow and they'll ramp prices up again to pay for infrastructure upgrades

 

I plan to get solar panels on my roof in the next year. I work from home so charging while I sit at home all day wouldbe ideal, although I know thats not a solution for everyone.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

I've driven electric cars for the last 5 years and have had no more issues than I've had with ICE cars. I think the manufacturing and recycling process are much more refined now than they were 10 years ago, and will continue to improve. It wont be for everyone right now, but as renewable sources increase, the climate benefits will improve. You can charge an electric car 100% on solar/wind etc if its available to you.

 

You can never run an ICE car on anything but petrol/diesel.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Also, tabloids are making things like EV car failures and fires look FAR more common than they are. Clickbait sensationalism. Treat these claims with as much skepticism as you would any other headline.

 

If you're interested in what they're like re charging, driving, range etc Byorn Nyland and FUlly Charged Show have great youtube channels:

https://www.youtube.com/@bjornnyland

 

https://www.youtube.com/@fullychargedshow

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

13 hours ago, Poor Scouser T said:

Its bollocks. We rely on China or African controlled China for the components. The China that burns more fossil fuels than anyone. Plus we import huge amounts of electricity from wherever it is cheapest usually from coal fired power producers.

People have the impression that electricity is green. That is a myth.#

The tech exists to run cars on water but the patents  have been seized under US national security laws, google it, i can't be arsed. 

There are still zillions to be made from oil so we can fuck off.

 

The first part needs moving after the second part

[Raymond Duck]

11 hours ago, dandyman said:

Their kit is ‘dumb’ in comparison to many others out there and notoriously poor for reliability.

 

that’s based on being good friends with someone who runs an EV charging operator business who know refuses to instal them, cos they’ve been no o thing but trouble to them.

 

 

Appreciate the extra information. Seems at odds with a lot of the reviews I’ve read and my mates who got them. Food for thought though. 

[dandyman]

11 hours ago, Lee909 said:

I've personally seen 2 electric cars catch fire in the past 3 months. Not sure how true it is but saw a claim in some US political thing saying that you need to do 120,000 miles in a electric car before you negate the climate cost of making them  

 

Obviously something needs to be done to move away from oil but unless we vastly upgrade our electric systems I can't see electric being tbe way

 

Also as soon as everyone switches the electricity companies will have everyone by the bollocks like the oil companies do mow and they'll ramp prices up again to pay for infrastructure upgrades

Treat everything with a pinch of salt.

 

The whole mileage claim before it pays for itself is based on research from Volvo, and has been debunked so many times.

 

It was deliberately misleading and failed to factor in so many issues, assuming as an example that charging took place when grids were at their most carbon intensive, and when generation was mainly from coal, gas power stations. Ironically the research was funded by big oil, so go figure!

 

Transport despite what many may think only requires a 10-15% increase in total electricity generation (and that’s if all cars and vans on the road are electric). The biggest challenge is domestic and commercial heat.

 

The lucky ones are those who can put solar panels on their roof and most of their charging is ‘free’ (minus the cost of buying them)

[Rico1304]

I’ve got a Porsche Taycan GTS and it’s a fucking monster.  
 

 

[Vincent Vega]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ve got a Porsche Taycan GTS and it’s a fucking monster.  
 

 

 

[Rico1304]

Fucking spot on.  When I run you over you won’t even hear me coming.   

[Clem H Fandango]

13 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ve got a Porsche Taycan GTS and it’s a fucking monster.  
 

 

 

Looks like a unisex hairdressers car.

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Clem H Fandango said:

 

Looks like a unisex hairdressers car.

It’s ok, it’s a choice you won’t ever have to make. 

[Fugitive]

Rico is having a breakdown. 

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

Rico is having a breakdown. 

I mean one of us is. One of us.  Not me though.  You take care of yourself. Love to the wife. 

[Fugitive]

23 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I mean one of us is. One of us.  Not me though.  You take care of yourself. Love to the wife. 

Hahahahaha, there he is. 
 

Big racist Rico.

[Rico1304]

8 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

Hahahahaha, there he is. 
 

Big racist Rico.

I mean throwing a mental health slur at me should make you the baddy shouldn’t it? Thats the way it works isnt it?  Until it doesn’t. Until you don’t like the person then you can justify it. 
 

Stupid boy.  

[Fugitive]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

I mean throwing a mental health slur at me should make you the baddy shouldn’t it? Thats the way it works isnt it?  Until it doesn’t. Until you don’t like the person then you can justify it. 
 

Stupid boy.  

Hahahaha, have you been spying on everyone since you last flounced off?

 

You still a big racist?

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Fugitive said:

Hahahaha, have you been spying on everyone since you last flounced off?

 

You still a big racist?

Ha ha - quick search of the depression thread and your name. Matter of moments.  Because it was obvious.  
 

No flounce from me lonely boy.  Ran down the membership.  The end.  
 

So this mental health slur, you apologising for it or not?  It’s quite offensive you know. 
 

Not a racist, check out the Israel thread though, safe heaven for you all there.