Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

He's sitting as an Independent apparently.

Ah I see.

[Pidge]

Which surely would remove him from the party... Surely you can't sit as a non-labour MP and be a member...

[Strontium]

You definitely can, because being a party member and taking the whip in the Commons are two different things.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[Bruce Spanner]

21 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Which surely would remove him from the party... Surely you can't sit as a non-labour MP and be a member...

You can stand for office as an independent but still a member of a party, but if you’re not their official selection you can’t be elected as MP for the Tories etc. Very rare though and self defeating.

 

Once inside you could join them, in the unlikely event you win though. This could lead to a by-election though.

[Creator Supreme]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Despise her, a truly horrible lying twat!

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

She shouldn't be allowed to lie like that without being challenged. Then you see its LBC and facts aren't their speciality. 

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She shouldn't be allowed to lie like that without being challenged. Then you see its LBC and facts aren't their speciality. 

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

 

 

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

Very true. 

[Strontium]

I love how that article repeats Corbyn's claim that he wasn't involved in any wreath-laying, then the pictures show him holding a big fuck-off wreath.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I love how that article repeats Corbyn's claim that he wasn't involved in any wreath-laying, then the pictures show him holding a big fuck-off wreath.

People draw their own conclusions but to me it looks and sounds like he was laying a wreath to honour those innocent people killed by an Israeli Airstrike in 1985 that was widely condemned worldwide. It just happened to be in the same cemetery as the Black September Terrorists so of-course to save face and slander, the narrative will be that it was in-memory of terrorists. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

 

Yet more "Don't criticise our actions" behaviour. 

[Gnasher]

These unfit for office by association peope wont be happy with who the next president of the United States used to knock about with,

 

 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

8 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

It is great isn't it.

Accuse someone of something outrageous and the mere fact of refuting said accusation, confirms the accusation. 

 

I wonder if this would work in any other scenario.

 

I accuse you of shooting sheriffs.

I don't shoot sheriffs.

 

Case closed, best thing to do would be for you to resign from your job because you are causing all sorts of problems by disgustingly denying that you shoot sheriffs.

Just resign so we can all move on and the Board of Deputies will be happy.

[Creator Supreme]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

It is great isn't it.

Accuse someone of something outrageous and the mere fact of refuting said accusation, confirms the accusation. 

 

I wonder if this would work in any other scenario.

 

I accuse you of shooting sheriffs.

I don't shoot sheriffs.

 

Case closed, best thing to do would be for you to resign from your job because you are causing all sorts of problems by disgustingly denying that you shoot sheriffs.

Just resign so we can all move on and the Board of Deputies will be happy.

As I say mate I'm glad I'm not involved in the shit show that is the Labour Party. I'm dismayed at the thoughts of the Greens adopting the IHRA definition as I know it will cause similar fall out amongst our party members too (on a much smaller scale obviously)!

[Bjornebye]

Reminder though how good a film Munich is. I think its pretty under-rated actually. 

[Strontium]

14 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

People draw their own conclusions but to me it looks and sounds like he was laying a wreath to honour those innocent people killed by an Israeli Airstrike in 1985 that was widely condemned worldwide. It just happen to be in the same cemetery as the Black September Terrorists so of-course to save face and slander, the narrative will be that it was in-memory of terrorists. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

 

Corbyn himself said at the time that the wreaths were laid on the graves of those killed in 1985 and also on the graves of individuals killed in Paris in 1991, presumably meaning the Black September organiser who was killed in Paris in 1992 and/or the Black September organiser who was killed in Tunis in 1991. The other problem with the "he only laid a wreath for those killed in 1985" argument is that photographs show him both near the 1985 memorial and also near the graves of the PLO/Black September ringleaders (the photos of him holding a wreath, in fact).

 

I was sure we went over this at tedious length a few years ago. My personal impression is that he probably only had half a clue about who he was laying wreaths to (the fact he referred to non-existent assassinations in Paris in 1991 pretty much backs this up), but whether he actually laid a wreath to people who castrated and murdered Jews, or just happened to be in the same graveyard when someone else did... well, it's not going to inspire much confidence in Jewish people either way.

 

Even on the kindest interpretation, it displays a level of poor judgement which seems to have affected him and his allies frequently over the years, most recently Diane Abbott speaking the other day at an online event alongside apologists for Uyghur persecution.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Len making threads over the ‘persecuted’ Corbyn. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Corbyn himself said at the time that the wreaths were laid on the graves of those killed in 1985 and also on the graves of individuals killed in Paris in 1991, presumably meaning the Black September organiser who was killed in Paris in 1992 and/or the Black September organiser who was killed in Tunis in 1991. The other problem with the "he only laid a wreath for those killed in 1985" argument is that photographs show him both near the 1985 memorial and also near the graves of the PLO/Black September ringleaders (the photos of him holding a wreath, in fact).

 

I was sure we went over this at tedious length a few years ago. My personal impression is that he probably only had half a clue about who he was laying wreaths to (the fact he referred to non-existent assassinations in Paris in 1991 pretty much backs this up), but whether he actually laid a wreath to people who castrated and murdered Jews, or just happened to be in the same graveyard when someone else did... well, it's not going to inspire much confidence in Jewish people either way.

 

Even on the kindest interpretation, it displays a level of poor judgement which seems to have affected him and his allies frequently over the years, most recently Diane Abbott speaking the other day at an online event alongside apologists for Uyghur persecution.

Yeah I think I'll continue to believe a life-long equal rights campaigner over the ruler of an apartheid state. 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Reminder though how good a film Munich is. I think its pretty under-rated actually. 

 

It does a decent job of depicting the moral ambiguity of the targeted assassinations. It's a good film, but I think it would have been a better film if it included the occasion when the Israelis mistakenly killed a perfectly innocent Moroccan guy in Norway.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It does a decent job of depicting the moral ambiguity of the targeted assassinations. It's a good film, but I think it would have been a better film if it included the occasion when the Israelis mistakenly killed a perfectly innocent Moroccan guy in Norway.

Yeah imagine the outrage though. The scene with the piano girl is superb. You're right though. 

[Gnasher]

Corbyn speaks out

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

[Section_31]

32 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

 

The last bit is an interesting point. The celebrity hounders of Corbyn, Oberman and Riley, I genuinely don't recall them being vocal about anything regarding antisemitism or the holocaust except in the context of Corbyn and 'corbynisters'. Do they? Are they campaigners, advocates, charity donors? I genuinely don't know.

[Rico1304]

 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The last bit is an interesting point. The celebrity hounders of Corbyn, Oberman and Riley, I genuinely don't recall them being vocal about anything regarding antisemitism or the holocaust except in the context of Corbyn and 'corbynisters'. Do they? Are they campaigners, advocates, charity donors? I genuinely don't know.

It just seems to me that they've got a bit of attention of being professional Corbyn bashers so now identify as that rather than being a calculator with tits or an extra on eastenders thsee days. The stunt from Riley with the t-shirt was fucking disgusting. 

 

She also managed to say something probably far more anti-semitic than Corbyn has ever said but she doesn't like it being shared on twitter