Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[A Red]

24 minutes ago, Brownie said:

*Ignore*

Comes in throws insults, has no argument then puts me on ignore and i'm the troll. Brilliant

[Megadrive Man]

If you vote Lib Dem for Remain reasons then you are making the same mistake as the students that voted for them to scrap tuition fees.

 

The lib dems will prop up the Tories and end up voting with them to leave the EU at some point.

 

Always remember that just because the Lib dems make something their key policy, it doesn't mean they won't do the complete opposite of it if it means they can get to be in government.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

If you vote Lib Dem for Remain reasons then you are making the same mistake as the students that voted for them to scrap tuition fees.

 

The lib dems will prop up the Tories and end up voting with them to leave the EU at some point.

 

Always remember that just because the Lib dems make something their key policy, it doesn't mean they won't do the complete opposite of it if it means they can get to be in government.

 

Steaming fucking bullshit. Every single word of it.

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

How am i trolling by stating that i think labours policy is wrong? I suggested they should come out and say stay, that would make them a viable alternative and peoples best chance of staying. I suggested in a reply elsewhere in the thread that Labours policy is a fudge designed to hold on to leave voting northern constituencies. In my opinion it will back fire because, some people do vote on principles not just on who they think will win.

 

It does come across as a tad arrogant and ignorant that someone who doesnt share your views is a thick, disingenuous troll with questionable motives. Though fair play, you did pack a few in.

 

If they did that they would completely lose leave voters.

 

Labour are offering the most sensible and realistic policy.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Different red lines. Different start and aims in negotiations. I know which I'd prefer out of the two. 

Yeah, but apart from that...

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, A Red said:

My understanding is that they will tell you how they would like you to vote in the new referendum once conference decides. 

 

My problem is they wont tell the electorate how they would like the referendum to go in the prior General Election. Its all very wishy washy and designed to fudge it with the electorate for fear of losing northern leave voting seats

 

 

Why make a decision now whether or not to advocate voting for a deal that doesn't exist yet?

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

Thats better now go follow follow some fucker else

Bad move. 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Steaming fucking bullshit. Every single word of it.

He is taking after you. 

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why make a decision now whether or not to advocate voting for a deal that doesn't exist yet?

 

Because we've already got the best deal we're ever going to have?

 

There is literally no Brexit that is better than Remain.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Because we've already got the best deal we're ever going to have?

 

There is literally no Brexit that is better than Remain.

Have to agree with this. 

 

Is right SD. 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

He is taking after you. 

 

No.

 

I'll tolerate people writing their wrong opinions on this forum, but outright lies is out of order.

 

If what Megadrive Man wrote comes to pass, I will (a) contact Dave to delete my account here, (b) leave the Lib Dems and (c) give £500 to a charity of your choice.

[aRdja]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

He just wants me to notice him

Lol post... who the fuck do you think you are buddy?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Because we've already got the best deal we're ever going to have?

 

There is literally no Brexit that is better than Remain.

I agree.  Half the electorate don't. 

 

If the country is ever going to get past the Tory-created divisions that have hamstrung it for the last 4 years, people on both sides of the Brexit argument need to be acknowledged. 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why make a decision now whether or not to advocate voting for a deal that doesn't exist yet?

Because maybe potential labour voters would like to know whether it is a remain or leave party.

[Strontium]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

I agree.  Half the electorate don't. 

 

If the country is ever going to get past the Tory-created divisions that have hamstrung it for the last 4 years, people on both sides of the Brexit argument need to be acknowledged. 

 

So half the electorate are wrong then.

 

I thought Labour under Corbyn was supposed to be highly principled, doing the right thing, not sitting on the fence trying to grub votes from both sides?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just now, A Red said:

Because maybe potential labour voters would like to know whether it is a remain or leave party.

Why do parties have to be defined by that one issue?

 

It's a democratic Socialist party. Some of its members and supporters want to leave the EU; most want to remain.  The policy agreed today offers something for all of them.

[cloggypop]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Because we've already got the best deal we're ever going to have?

 

There is literally no Brexit that is better than Remain.

Nah, I'd prefer a Labour negotiated one to the May one. 

 

Remain is almost definitely going to be better though sure. 

 

I'd much rather the country had those two options. 

[A Red]

5 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Lol post... who the fuck do you think you are buddy?

So much wrong with this post. Just go away

[aRdja]

24 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Because we've already got the best deal we're ever going to have?

 

There is literally no Brexit that is better than Remain.

With all due respect, this is one of the reasons people voted for brexit... this sneering attitude certainly isn’t at all helpful. You might not have voted for Brexit, but if you couldn’t call yourself a Democrat if you showed total contempt towards the result of the referendum.

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, A Red said:

So much wrong with this post. Just go away

Have a look at you, “he wants me to notice him”... it’s just a bit embarrassing really. 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why do parties have to be defined by that one issue?

 

It's a democratic Socialist party. Some of its members and supporters want to leave the EU; most want to remain.  The policy agreed today offers something for all of them.

In my opinion the labour party should have an honest open policy on the biggest post war issue. If it wants to stay it should state that, I think it will be electoral suicide

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

So half the electorate are wrong then.

 

I thought Labour under Corbyn was supposed to be highly principled, doing the right thing, not sitting on the fence trying to grub votes from both sides?

Fuck the fence. It's a Tory fence. Why should anyone else allow themselves to be divided according to Tory terms of reference?

 

I thought you were supposed to be a democrat. How can you just deny the existence of half the electorate, simply because you disagree with them on an issue that hardly anyone thought was important until a few years ago?

[A Red]

Just now, viRdjil said:

Have a look at you, “he wants me to notice him”... it’s just a bit embarrassing really. 

His first words to me were, "i have no idea who you are..." Classic ego, why bother saying it? I was taking the piss.

 

Now seriously, fuck off

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

With all due respect, this is one of the reasons people voted for brexit... this sneering attitude certainly isn’t at all helpful. You might not have voted for Brexit, but if you couldn’t call yourself a Democrat if you showed a total contempt towards the result of the referendum.

And this explains the paradox that people who want to stop Brexit are now best advised to vote for the only party that's offering a Brexit deal - because going full Remain is telling the voters to fuck off and driving them into the arms of the Brexiteers who position themselves as anti-establishment protest-vote candidates.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

With all due respect, this is one of the reasons people voted for brexit... this sneering attitude certainly isn’t at all helpful. You might not have voted for Brexit, but if you couldn’t call yourself a Democrat if you showed a total contempt towards the result of the referendum.

 

What sneering attitude? I'm giving my opinion, which is that there is no Brexit that would be better than Remain.

 

I already know you're a cheerleader for "respecting the referendum result". I call myself a democrat because this is a parliamentary democracy, not a direct democracy, and the referendum was advisory only. There is absolutely nothing in law that compels the government, or any other government, to implement the referendum result.

 

If we held a referendum to kill all Australians, and the public voted for the proposition, would you be demanding it was implemented, BECAUSE DEMOCRACY? Or would you be pointing out, like me, that such a referendum is completely illegitimate?