Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Jairzinho]

49 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Maybe it's the people I mix with, bit I don't know a single person, even those who seem to like her, who don't think she's a useless cunt. I do meet lots of people the who are genuinely frightened by a Corbyn government, and not just right wing nut jobs. 

What do they say when you ask them why?

 

Being frightened of social democracy just seems a bit odd to me. 

 

Or do they think 25 minutes into his premiership he'll have nationalised all bakeries and built gulags in every town?

[moof]

I find the idea that people are genuinely fearful of a moderately left wing government hilarious and simultaneously utterly depressing. 

[Barrington Womble]

56 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

What do they say when you ask them why?

 

Being frightened of social democracy just seems a bit odd to me. 

 

Or do they think 25 minutes into his premiership he'll have nationalised all bakeries and built gulags in every town?

I think most of them think he'll bankrupt the country. 

[Captain Turdseye]

An old fella from my branch was out door knocking in Bury St Edmunds last week and someone came out with a sledgehammer and told him to fuck off because he was from the Labour Party. 

 

Heavy, that. As was the sledgehammer I’d imagine. 

[Jairzinho]

3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I think most of them think he'll bankrupt the country. 

Urgh, how depressing.

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 hours ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

Polls mean fuck all.

Nor will Poles, if we leave the EU. 

 

Nailed it. 

[moof]

12 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I think most of them think he'll bankrupt the country. 

Not economists, these people?

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Not economists, these people?

I think the problem is, here al pretty sure he's not. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

17 minutes ago, moof said:

I find the idea that people are genuinely fearful of a moderately left wing government hilarious and simultaneously utterly depressing. 

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. I could go on, and almost did, about the causes of this type of thing... but I can't even be fucked. Let's just end it. Let's all wank ourselves to death. 

[moof]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. I could go on, and almost did, about the causes of this type of thing... but I can't even be fucked. Let's just end it. Let's all wank ourselves to death. 

Or, even better. Let’s wank eachother to death 

[Strontium]

I am less worried about economic positions and more about basic competence. Although given the hash the current mob are making of things, well...

[Numero Veinticinco]

21 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

I am less worried about economic positions and more about basic competence. Although given the hash the current mob are making of things, well...

I think he'd probably be the most able PM since Brown. That's not saying much, because we've had Cameron and May, who have shown themselves to be very incompetent. I'm not overjoyed at the idea, and I'm not filled with confidence by his competence, but government isn't run by one person. The bunch of people on his side are as able as anybody else. 

 

I'm getting more and more comfortable with the idea of Keir Starmer being a leader, though. 

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

I think most of them think he'll bankrupt the country. 

They should probably stop reading Murdoch and the Mail. 

[cloggypop]

Yeah but he has a Communist bike lads. Let's not forget this. Even if it is a Raleigh. 

[Anubis]

[cloggypop]

14 minutes ago, Anubis said:

This it itself is enough to make me vote for Esther Mcvey. 

[Grinch]

16 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

I read this in the guardian from an opinium poll today, it's fucking depressing reading, how the fuck can Corbyn be behind that mental twat? If he can't get ahead of her, labour truly have no chance. 

 

Theresa May’s lead over Jeremy Corbyn, when voters are asked who would be the best prime minister, has halved since last month. Her lead has dropped from 15 points at the end of February to 7 points in the latest poll.

Because he's stupid enough to come out with shite about bringing a terrorist "home".

 

Thankfully the majority of the British public don't want anything like that at all. 

 

Talk about hanging yourself. 

[Barrington Womble]

9 hours ago, cloggypop said:

They should probably stop reading Murdoch and the Mail. 

ao i would feel pretty sure they don't. and this actually is the problem. there's this idea from the left of labour, corbyn is great and if anyone doesn't think so, there's something wrong with them and not him. but his job is to ensure labour get elected at the next election. we currently have the worst prmie minister in the history of the UK, yet he's less popular than her. if you are someone who wants to see a left wing government and don't think this is an issue, i would suggest your more invested in corbyn than you are in riidding ourselves of this tory government. 

5 hours ago, Grinch said:

Because he's stupid enough to come out with shite about bringing a terrorist "home".

 

Thankfully the majority of the British public don't want anything like that at all. 

 

Talk about hanging yourself. 

I genuinely don't understand this post. It was a regular poll on the parties and the leaders, and corbyn is less popular than may (although admittedly closer than it was just a month before). It has nothing to do with "bringing a terrorist home", it has to do with after everything that has happened over the last few years, he is still less appealing to the electorate than theresa may. just think about that. she is a fucking laughing stock, is completely mis-managing the country, yet the electorate would sooner have her than him. It's fucking depressing. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Grinch said:

Because he's stupid enough to come out with shite about bringing a terrorist "home".

 

Thankfully the majority of the British public don't want anything like that at all. 

 

Talk about hanging yourself. 

"He's stupid enough to believe in the rule of law.  Thankfully the majority of the British public are unprincipled bellends, willingly duped by the Mail and the Scum into opposing human rights. "

[cloggypop]

How's he going to bankrupt the country then Barry? 

[Jairzinho]

14 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

ao i would feel pretty sure they don't. and this actually is the problem. there's this idea from the left of labour, corbyn is great and if anyone doesn't think so, there's something wrong with them and not him.

I think you've rather broadened what you were replying to.

 

I don't think Corbyn is remotely close to being "great". I also, personally, don't really care that much who the leader is as long as they're a vehicle for democratic socialist policies. Although, I realise it's important for other people. And getting their votes.

 

But anyone who thinks he'll "bankrupt the country" has been swallowing bullshit from the press. They're the sort of people who believe the Tories are better with the economy. A safe pair of hands. That austerity was necessary rather than a political choice. That we have to "live within our means". That debt and deficits can only be reduced by cuts. They tend to believe the economics of one person works exactly the same way as a that of a country. 

 

And they believe all of this because unless they go out of their way to learn about economics it's the only message they'll read in our papers and see on telly. 

 

[Grinch]

41 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

"He's stupid enough to believe in the rule of law.  Thankfully the majority of the British public are unprincipled bellends, willingly duped by the Mail and the Scum into opposing human rights. "

 

Agendas to the left, agendas to the right.   Both as bad and controlled as the other with the masters pulling the strings.   

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

33 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I don't think Corbyn is remotely close to being "great". I also, personally, don't really care that much who the leader is as long as they're a vehicle for democratic socialist policies. Although, I realise it's important for other people. And getting their votes.

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't really care who the leader is; the manifesto is more important. That said, as I always bleat on about, there's only one way that manifesto is getting implemented, and that's if the leader can sell it, the party, and themselves as a realistic and viable option. It's infuriating that it is like it is, but I gave up on idealism a long time ago. I'd settle for a little more... no Tory government. 

35 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

But anyone who thinks he'll "bankrupt the country" has been swallowing bullshit from the press. They're the sort of people who believe the Tories are better with the economy. A safe pair of hands. That austerity was necessary rather than a political choice. That we have to "live within our means". That debt and deficits can only be reduced by cuts. They tend to believe the economics of one person works exactly the same way as a that of a country. 

Yeah, that's exactly it. Though, as frustrating as those people are, I can't entirely blame them because it's not entirely their fault. Your average person is going about their daily life, trying to get through, trying to make it as painless as possible, trying to keep their families fed and clothed and maybe a crazy trip away once a year. The amount of time they have for the little fuckers in government isn't much, and even if it is then the source of information is telling them - convincing them - to vote against their own interests. It. Is. Fucked. I think improvement is gradual and starts with getting the Tories out and their alternatives in, no matter if that's Corbyn or Blair and Brown type. Step by step, playing whatever dirty game that needs to be played in the short term so that the medium and long term can be better. It's a shitty choice, but in my opinion it's the only viable option. We (on the left) are unlikely to win many votes by trying to 'be the better man'. Cynical and dirty, I know. 

 

So yeah, what you said. 

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, Grinch said:

 

Agendas to the left, agendas to the right.   Both as bad and controlled as the other with the masters pulling the strings.  

Grinch is James O’Brien.

[Numero Veinticinco]

You know what my biggest fear is? Isn't just that Corbyn doesn't win the next election, it's that he doesn't win the next election and the Labour Party choose another Miliband/Corbyn type. Not because I don't like them or because I'm some idiot who thinks they'd bankrupt the country (I'd love to hear more about how they'd bankrupt the country... but I feel I'll be waiting a while), but because they're not getting elected by a majority. They're unlikely to get much done.