Loris Karius

[Iceman]

Mig is now on a par with Clemence for me. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I've said before that Mignolet is just like the pears he flogs - fleetingly rock solid, before he inevitably turns to mush.

 

Here's hoping he's solid at the weekend.

[aRdja]

I've said before that Mignolet is just like the pears he flogs - fleetingly rock solid, before he inevitably turns to mush.

 

Here's hoping he's solid at the weekend.

I prefer him being solid on Monday night for the derby myself.

[Bjornebye]

If Klopp really wants to make a statement he needs to bring in a keeper in January. Not sure who like but we need help in goal.

[Paco]

So what

They still made mistakes that cost us points. Its no different.

 

I have no issue with dropping Jarius i have a issue with him being the only reason we dropped points when outfield players didnt defend well and mossed some sitters

Just as mignolet got hammered for not making saves and conceding from every other shot on target, Karius deserves it too. yes the defending was poor against Bournemouth but at least 2 goals were save able regardless of what went on before. same with West ham.

 

wijnaldum could also be dropped for missing chances but without can Coutinho or sturridge Klopp looks reluctant to play any of the bench unless he absolutely has to.

[KMD7]

So Karius naking mistakes cost us 5 points not Wijaldum inability to finish against West Ham or Origi sitter at Bournemouth that cost us the points

 

Good to know

This.

[KMD7]

Mig is now on a par with Clemence for me.

Steady

[VladimirIlyich]

Unfortunately I suspect the 5 points Karius cost us in his last two games will prove to be the difference at the end of the season.

Silly remark. A team involves 11 players and for an opposition to score past the keeper they have to get past 10 other players. Karius didnt fuck up a simple header or give away a penalty v Bournemouth so he is definitely not responsible for any of those points. The team win together and lose together.

[KevieG]

For 3 years Mignolet cost us ooints and a trophy last year. We know he isnt good enough

 

Correct, but Mignolet is currently the least worst option.

[Cardie]

Silly remark. A team involves 11 players and for an opposition to score past the keeper they have to get past 10 other players. Karius didnt fuck up a simple header or give away a penalty v Bournemouth so he is definitely not responsible for any of those points. The team win together and lose together.

Unless, it appears, your name is Simon Mignolet. Then it's definetly just the keepers fault.

[joe_fishfish]

It was a stupid decision to bring in Karius in the first place. After three seasons of Mignolet we know he's not the answer, so instead of bringing in "competition" and "potential" in Karius we should have just binned Mignolet off and brought in Leno or Handanovic or Fahrmann, basically someone who is already in their prime as a top class goalie.

 

Bringing in a younger player with potential and a lot to learn is a great idea when you've got a coaching team in place who can teach them what they need to know and help them fulfil that potential. When you've got John Achterberg as your goalie coach it's a different story though.

[VladimirIlyich]

It was a stupid decision to bring in Karius in the first place. After three seasons of Mignolet we know he's not the answer, so instead of bringing in "competition" and "potential" in Karius we should have just binned Mignolet off and brought in Leno or Handanovic or Fahrmann, basically someone who is already in their prime as a top class goalie.

 

Bringing in a younger player with potential and a lot to learn is a great idea when you've got a coaching team in place who can teach them what they need to know and help them fulfil that potential. When you've got John Achterberg as your goalie coach it's a different story though.

Klopp doesnt have 'star goalkeepers' just goalkeepers who are good enough at shot stopping and whose distribution is a strength. At present Mignolet ticks the first requirement and Karius the second. Karius is still struggling with the shot stopping requirement and Mignolet will never have the distribution skills required.

[joe_fishfish]

Mignolet isn't good enough at shot stopping though is he? Between saving that Arsenal penalty on day one and the Spurs game two weeks later he literally didn't make a save. Five shots on target conceded, five goals conceded.

 

If Klopp thinks all he needs from a goalie decent shot stopping and strong distribution then he's still got a lot to learn about the Premier League. Having a goalie who can claim high balls - especially from set pieces - is fucking massively important here. Especially given the way we defend. Mignolet is better than Karius at it but he's not exactly great.

[thegreatelephant]

how to fairly, with decency, motivate two players at once. Klopp making decisive, effective decisions when under great pressure for a result. with key men missing also at a ground where we have previously struggled. extremely satisfying.

[Cardie]

Klopp doesnt have 'star goalkeepers' just goalkeepers who are good enough at shot stopping and whose distribution is a strength. At present Mignolet ticks the first requirement and Karius the second. Karius is still struggling with the shot stopping requirement and Mignolet will never have the distribution skills required.

Karius hasn't exactly excelled in the distribution

[jimmycase]

Mignolet isn't good enough at shot stopping though is he? Between saving that Arsenal penalty on day one and the Spurs game two weeks later he literally didn't make a save. Five shots on target conceded, five goals conceded.

 

If Klopp thinks all he needs from a goalie decent shot stopping and strong distribution then he's still got a lot to learn about the Premier League. Having a goalie who can claim high balls - especially from set pieces - is fucking massively important here. Especially given the way we defend. Mignolet is better than Karius at it but he's not exactly great.

 

At the moment, mignolet is the best option. Longer term, I havent seen anything to suggest either of them are the solution.

 

To be honest George for the U23s looks far more confident in goal than Karius but that's not to say Id play George right now. What it does do is show what confidence can do for a keeper. I think Karius' confidence is below what it needs to be.

 

There's a lot talked about mignolet shot's faced and goals conceeded. there's a couple of points here. In the main, mignolet has played behind a back four of johnson \ clyne, lovren, sakho and moreno \ milner.

 

Karius has generally been clyne, lovren, matip and milner with klavan, lucas thrown in so has the benefit of playing behind a far better defensive unit. Karius also has a far smaller sample size of shots to goals. To be honest, I dont think Karius' shots \ goals ratio is looking very healthy right now either.

[Strontium]

Karius hasn't exactly excelled in the distribution

And distribution is barely even relevant when you play out from the back like we do.

 

Though I agree that Mignolet lacks the "putting a goal kick out for a corner" skill.

[Trevorjc]

I've wondered if getting Maninger in was with a view to him taking over in the GK coaching role.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If Klopp really wants to make a statement he needs to bring in a keeper in January. Not sure who like but we need help in goal.

Klopp has made a statement.

 

He's stated that he's happy with our goalkeeping options.

[LFC 6 Times]

Mignolet isn't good enough at shot stopping though is he? Between saving that Arsenal penalty on day one and the Spurs game two weeks later he literally didn't make a save. Five shots on target conceded, five goals conceded.

 

If Klopp thinks all he needs from a goalie decent shot stopping and strong distribution then he's still got a lot to learn about the Premier League. Having a goalie who can claim high balls - especially from set pieces - is fucking massively important here. Especially given the way we defend. Mignolet is better than Karius at it but he's not exactly great.

Mignolet made one of the best saves of the season that day against Spurs Alderweirerld's header off a corner. He made some great saves against Spurs in the LC and Leeds too, he also didn't play like a nervous wreck and instil panic in the back 4. Thought his distribution last night was better than Karius supposed quality.

[G Richards]

I'm very happy with the way Klopp is playing this one. He has motivated both goalies and that will be better for LFC. Mignolet is not the answer to our long term, but to be fair to him he has been better this season with the added competition from Karius. He still lost his place, but then it's fair to say that when Karius came in he was not as good as we hoped.

 

Klopp would have scouted Karius loads, and he would have known everything about his game before signing him, so you would have to think there's more to come from him. Hopefully much more. In the meantime Mignolet has the gloves again, he's doing well, and a young goalie, presumably talented, is licking his wounds on the bench while knowing he has to improve.

 

Both are motivated and it's a good situation.

[magicrat]

Both are motivated and it's a good situation.

 

 

They maybe motivated but neither are good enough for a team with title aspirations,

Mignolet is a known quantity and is certainly a better option than young Karius right now, I am pleased Klopp has been pragmatic about bringing him back, A game too late imo but its harsh to be critical of the manager for showing faith in a young player .

 

I think we need to go out in the market in January and recruit someone like Hart or Heaton. 

[aRdja]

Silly remark. A team involves 11 players and for an opposition to score past the keeper they have to get past 10 other players. Karius didnt fuck up a simple header or give away a penalty v Bournemouth so he is definitely not responsible for any of those points. The team win together and lose together.

Both Payet's goal and Bournemouth's last goal were Karius' mistakes alone.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Can't we play both keepers in one large jumper.

[magicrat]

Can't we play both keepers in one large jumper.

 

You mean bring in big Nev.

Carra's onto it already