Nunez and Gakpo

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

I think people are kidding themselves. You can tell great forwards straight away.
Yeah, Suarez missed a lot of chances in his first season, but you could tell he was amazing.

Torres, brilliant straight away.

Mane, immediately our best attacker

Mo, 44 goals in his first season

These two might improve a bit, but great players they will never be. 

So, they haven't yet shown that they're as good as our very greatest players of the last 20 years, therefore they're shite?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

They are both very shit.

 

Not sure who is the shittest

My reaction when you and Creator start posting.

[s(k)aturation]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

So, they haven't yet shown that they're as good as our very greatest players of the last 20 years, therefore they're shite?

 

 

Jose appears to be saying "great players they will never be", which I don't think necessarily means they're shite.

 

[Jose Jones]

16 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

 

Jose appears to be saying "great players they will never be", which I don't think necessarily means they're shite.

 

Thanks Skaro, yes that’s it. Great players you can just tell. We all hope Nunez and Gakpo will come good, and perhaps they will, but I think we should be able to tell.

Maybe we have been spoiled, but if we want to be a great team and win things we are going to need great players.

[johnsusername]

I've never said they're shit.

 

I have said they've been a tremendous waste of £100million. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

I've never said they're shit.

 

I have said they've been a tremendous waste of £100million. 

I disagree. I think that's the going rate for players of their level.

[s(k)aturation]

 

 

I just did a conversion on what we paid for King Kenny in 1977 - just over 3 million quid in 2022.

 

The abject shitness of modern football, eh.

 

 

 

 

 

[TD_LFC]

9 hours ago, FrenchEyeGlass said:

If we bought Nunez and added him to our PL winning team or either CL finalist team, he would be fucking soaring. It

 

If we'd have added him to the PL winning team he'd have completely fucked up the system because he plays nothing like the forwards we had at that time, more specifically he plays nothing like the forward that tied that system together.

 

People have to get out of this mindset that a Striker is a Striker and a winger is a winger and just replacing a player who shares a vague description with another player means they're instantly interchangeable.

 

 

[TD_LFC]

6 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

I think it's the opposite. Gakpo is someone that if you'd put him in a team with a good tactical base, he would do exactly the job you'd want, but he's not gonna beat a defender and hit it in the top corner. 

 

In contrast, Nunez is someone who could make something happen out of a random hoof towards him but you'd question if you could ever build a top side around him if he's your 9. Currently, he does too much dumb stuff and he's too erratic. And he's a player that could eventually cost close to 100m with add ons, he's not just a substitute, he has to be a key player. 

 

But anyway, the point isn't really about their quality, it's that we haven't seen our attack be coherent consistently with them as a part of it. 

 

Gakpo can be a more productive, quicker Dirk Kuyt, once he's in a functioning team. Another dependable Jota type role player.

 

Nunez will score 4 volleys from 30 yards in one game then fail to hit the target in the next 4 games but people will say he's scored 4 goals in 5 games so he's brilliant. He's far too erratic and I'm not sure how much they'll be able to level that out so he might stay a boom or bust player.

[Chris]

Far bigger issues than both of these lads, but Darwin's shit finishing is actively pissing me off. And he's even hiding behind that "he's Uruguayan like Suarez who couldn't finish in his first season!" nonsense. As if that's supposed to mean anything.

 

That chance at 2-0 yesterday which he just spaffs at the keeper with zero finesse (yet again) or composure or even a little look up is as big an error as Matip's. Happens all the time. 

 

I like him, I'm rooting for him, and still think the likelihood of him being a big player for us is greater than not, but come on...

 

Gakpo, so far has shown us a few things: namely that he's not quick, he isn't particularly skillful, or physical and doesn't pose defenders any problems when we don't have the ball.

 

I think he's probably an intelligent, good footballer who, in a different moment would be showing us much more. I'm just not sure he's our type of player. Which begs the question about why he was signed?

 

For me though, the bigger issue is we have precisely three players who look good enough to be starting games at the moment. Ali, Konate and (at a stretch) Robbo. Everyone else (the kid Bajcetic aside) has no business in the starting XI, in comparison to what we're used to. They've all just fallen off a cliff and are playing in a broken system bereft of any identity. 

 

Bad times, man. 

 

 

 

[LFC 6 Times]

Fed up of hearing “far bigger issues” goals define and win games. The amount of chance him and Mo has really killed us on multiple occasions this season.

[Dave D]

Danny Ings would look more of a goal threat 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

Fucking useless winning goal scoring shitbags.

Waste of money the pair.

It's almost like giving new players from abroad time to settle in and adapt to a new system, is a good idea.

[Section_31]

I told you young people that crack is some bad shit.

[Denny Crane]

I think people were spoiled at how effortlessly Mane and Salah flourished and have forgotten most attacking signings are more of a difficult task. 

 

Then there is this perception about what a Klopp player is but it seems people just point out what they want from a player. 

[TheHowieLama]

Recently Klopp players seem to be the tallest, fastest fellas available.

[El Rojo]

1 minute ago, Denny Crane said:

I think people were spoiled at how effortlessly Mane and Salah flourished and have forgotten most attacking signings are more of a difficult task. 

 

Then there is this perception about what a Klopp player is but it seems people just point out what they want from a player. 

Plenty of whining about both Mane and Salah on here when they missed a few chances in their opening months with us.

[TD_LFC]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Recently Klopp players seem to be the tallest, fastest fellas available.

 

He's been to the Al Davies school of player evaluation.

[Toxteth O'Grady]

Come next season, when everyone is 'fit' and has had a Klopp boot camp, we will have front 3 options of Diaz, Nunez, Jota, Gakpo, Salah and Elliott.

I really can't see the merit in giving Firmino a new contract of any more than a year, which I doubt he'd want.

From what I've seen of Fabio Cravalho, not only does he need a loan to get regular playing time, but he's best suited to the Firmino role in the future, dropping off from the number 9 position to link up play. He's not a wide forward.

IF we were to buy another forward and given our Midfield situation, money could be better spent elsewhere, then it should be another option for the right hand side to give Mo either a rest and back up, or competition.

To my mind, Elliott is never a Midfielder and is best used on the right of the front 3, so all things considered, next season we are Ok for the front 3 postions when you don't factor in the curse of injuries.

Ideally I'd like another dedicated right forward, but we need at least 2 midfielders, if not three and a centre half before we spend on forwards.

[Kevin D]

On 04/02/2023 at 20:30, Kevin D said:

Gapko is quite handsome and Nunez has great hair so, on that basis alone, should be given more time.

I am vindicated.

[s(k)aturation]

2 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

I am vindicated.

 

 

You are indeed.

The new Dalglish and Rush are here.

 

 

[johnsusername]

I have it on good authority that both Nunez and Gakpo saw this thread, and it spurred them on to improve.

 

[Captain Howdy]

On 05/02/2023 at 09:23, AngryOfTuebrook said:

So, they haven't yet shown that they're as good as our very greatest players of the last 20 years, therefore they're shite?

Have you ever considered a career in red top journalism? 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

23 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Have you ever considered a career in red top journalism? 

@AngryOfTuebrook has written many articles for this red top.

Codename..

Angry Lev DB formely of Tuebrook

 

[Megadrive Man]

We've had the perfect balance in our front three of Salah, Mane and Firmino so whoever came in next was always going to be an incredibly hard act to follow.

 

These two arrived off the back of outstanding seasons in Portugal and The Netherlands but are clearly still finding the way in our system and this league. 

 

It shows how hard it is to identify the best players available. We've been spoilt in recent years because we've been getting it exactly right on transfers about 90% of the time.

 

These two are both 23 years old, so the hope is that they will continue to improve and get a good foothold with this league.