Can We Just Stop and Think About This for a Moment?

[ZonkoVille77]

45 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Vuvuzelas were ace. 

 

Ah FFS, here was me warming to you. 

[Bjornebye]

52 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Vuvuzelas were ace. 

 

That's a ban 

[Fugitive]

1 hour ago, Jurgen Knows said:

But it was still ok to stage the World Cup there. 

No, it was corrupt beyond belief and I said so at the time. The World Cup is now just a big pot of corruption between FIFA and the countries involved. They can all get to fuck. 
 

The fact that you have pissed your kecks and decided to start shouting ‘Bigots’ is fucking hilarious. 
 

And before you start, I feel the same levels of contempt about the UK as well. Ran by cunts and full of gobshites, just like yours.

[s(k)aturation]

1 minute ago, Fugitive said:

No, it was corrupt beyond belief and I said so at the time. The World Cup is now just a big pot of corruption between FIFA and the countries involved. They can all get to fuck. 
 

The fact that you have pissed your kecks and decided to start shouting ‘Bigots’ is fucking hilarious. 
 

And before you start, I feel the same levels of contempt about the UK as well. Ran by cunts and full of gobshites, just like yours.

 

Indeed.

Pretty much the whole world are cunts, Jurgen.

Nothing to see here.

 

 

 

[s(k)aturation]

18 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Ah FFS, here was me warming to you. 

 

 

He's fuckin' shite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

21 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Do you detest the American regime? I do too, so welcome on board. 

When are you starting the campaign against FIFA for giving the USA the 2026 World Cup then?

[s(k)aturation]

2 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

When are you starting the campaign against FIFA for giving the USA the 2026 World Cup then?

 

As soon as my wife gives me permission.

 

 

[Jurgen Knows]

8 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

No, it was corrupt beyond belief and I said so at the time. The World Cup is now just a big pot of corruption between FIFA and the countries involved. They can all get to fuck. 
 

The fact that you have pissed your kecks and decided to start shouting ‘Bigots’ is fucking hilarious. 
 

And before you start, I feel the same levels of contempt about the UK as well. Ran by cunts and full of gobshites, just like yours.

I don’t remember seeing the same levels of protest against any other World Cup though. I’m not referring to you here I’m referring to the broader media reaction and outrage.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Vuvuzelas were ace. 

“ Ace” commonly used in your country?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Jurgen Knows said:

FIFA are the ones organizing the next World Cup in the USA no? Why is it ok for FIFA to stage the World Cup in a country that has killed millions in Iraq? Where do we draw the line?

I draw the line at countries that are currently committing systematic human rights abuses and where exploited workers suffer and die to build the tournament infrastructure.

[Jurgen Knows]

24 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

Indeed.

Pretty much the whole world are cunts, Jurgen.

Nothing to see here.

 

 

 

True. Where should we stage the World Cup then? 

[Jurgen Knows]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I draw the line at countries that are currently committing systematic human rights abuses and where exploited workers suffer and die to build the tournament infrastructure.

I like your use of the word “currently”. We’ve just decided to take the moral high ground. As of this day. Good try.

[s(k)aturation]

5 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

True. Where should we stage the World Cup then? 

 

To bastardise one of your favourite people, let he who is without sin cast the first vote.

 

Prophet or profit?

 

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

True. Where should we stage the World Cup then? 

New Zealand.  Who ever says anything bad about New Zealand?

[Jurgen Knows]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

New Zealand.  Who ever says anything bad about New Zealand?

I’m in. Let’s start a campaign to move the 2026 World Cup to New Zealand. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

19 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

True. Where should we stage the World Cup then? 

Monaco.

[Clem H Fandango]

2 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Monaco.

Galapagos Islands, dont think any human rights or deaths have been issues there.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 minute ago, Clem H Fandango said:

Galapagos Islands, dont think any human rights or deaths have been issues there.

Good shout, no worries about corruption although the Penguins can be quite bought.

[VladimirIlyich]

2 hours ago, Jurgen Knows said:

FIFA are the ones organizing the next World Cup in the USA no? Why is it ok for FIFA to stage the World Cup in a country that has killed millions in Iraq? Where do we draw the line?

We dont. We object to FIFA too. You may have seen the recent fifa uncovered documentary which criticised heavily most of the FIFA appointed host countries? After Argentina in 78 anything is possible with these cunts!

[Jurgen Knows]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

We dont. We object to FIFA too. You may have seen the recent fifa uncovered documentary which criticised heavily most of the FIFA appointed host countries? After Argentina in 78 anything is possible with these cunts!

Great. Where is the campaign against the next World Cup? Are American human rights breaches less relevant than Qatari ones? Are you going to wait until the eve of the next World Cup when it will be too late? Are you expecting the BBC to boycott the opening ceremony? Just asking for a friend.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

5 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Great. Where is the campaign against the next World Cup? Are American human rights breaches less relevant than Qatari ones? Are you going to wait until the eve of the next World Cup when it will be too late? Are you expecting the BBC to boycott the opening ceremony? Just asking for a friend.

Is your friend inflatable?

[Burgess]

Not a regular poster but couldn’t not in this case.

please don’t spout about human Rights and women’s rights and women being honoured -see below.

 

Rape without justice is an occurrence world wide - punishment for being bring raped however isn’t . 
apologies for being serious 

 

A British tourist was recently arrested in Dubai on the charges of extramarital sex, after she reported to authorities that two British nationals had raped her in a hotel room. A statement from the Dubai government said reports given by the woman as well as investigating officers from Dubai police “showed that the act happened with the consent of the three parties in question.” Just a few days ago, however, the United Arab Emirates’ authorities decided to drop the charges. The two men she accused of raping her have also been exonerated.

Situations like this one are not an uncommon occurrence in the UAE. A number of couples have also been jailed or threatened with prison for adultery or having sex while unmarried. In 2013, Dubai officials pardoned a Norwegian woman who was sentenced to prison after reporting being raped when her case gained international notoriety. In 2010, a British woman was arrested after she went to the police to report she had been raped. When she eventually decided to drop the rape charges and produce a marriage certificate, she and her fiancé were allowed to go back to Britain. In 2008, a woman in Fujairah who had broken ribs and evidence of violence from being raped after her drink was spiked was charged with sex outside of marriage and held in the country for eight months. Amnesty International Gulf researcher Drewery Dyke explains that  “rape victims are accused of having engaged in illicit sexual relations”, while “the rape allegations themselves have been left uninvestigated”.

The UAE has a large presence of westerners, both as tourists and workers. Dubai, for example, sees about 1 million British visitorsevery year, and is home to about 100,000. It is a popular tourist destination and with its “skyrise buildings, slick bars and glitzy shopping malls,” Dubai may seem like any other Western capital. Behind this appearance, however, are very strict morality laws. In the UAE, it is illegal for married couples to have sex outside of wedlock, as well as for a single person to have sex with someone who is married. The prescribed punishments for extramarital sex in the UAE include imprisonment, deportation, as well as floggings and stoning.

Perhaps the largest judicial drawback to these already troubling laws is the burden of proof the law puts on victims of any kind of sexual assault. A confession from the rapist, for example, as well as four adult male witnesses to corroborate the crime are necessary for the rape accusation to be considered. Radha Stirling, founder of Detained in Dubai, calls the system of justice in the UAE, “tremendously disturbing… Police regularly fail to differentiate between consensual intercourse and violent rape”.  Sexual assault and rape victims go to authorities expecting justice under the law, and not only do they often become invalidated, (a phenomenon that is certainly not specific to the UAE), but they actually end up being punished for it. When the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the UAE was asked to give advice to rape victims, their response was: “The UAE is a Muslim country. Laws and customs are very different to those in the UK. You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times…There may be serious penalties for doing something that might not be illegal in the UK.” The way that laws are structured in the UAE, however, can often be vague, due to their traditional nature, as well as the overarching influence of Sharia law. Rothna Begum, a women’s rights researchers at Human Rights Watch London notes, for example, that UAE authorities “have not clarified what they mean by indecency” and therefore “the judges can use their culture and customs and Sharia ultimately to broaden out that definition and convict people for illicit sexual relations or even acts of public affection”. Furthermore, laws are structured so they are left to the wide interpretation of any given authority, which often entirely lacks gender equality. Under UAE judicial interpretation of civil law, for example, it is completely permissible for a husband to physically punish his wife, whereas it is a crime for a wife to work without her husband’s permission. The system of law and justice in the UAE is inadequate and unusable for women seeking support in cases of sexual abuse. Ms. Stirling told The Independent: “We get people contacting us asking whether they should report a crime and – whether it be a rape or anything else – I often say no. Absolutely not.”

It was not due process, but rather, the vast international attention given to the most recent case of alleged rape in Dubai that caused the charges to be dropped. The Detained in Dubai Website states, “While, of course, we are relieved that the British national…has been freed; it is impossible to ignore the fact that this decision was taken as a direct result of intensive media condemnation, and not because the legal system in Dubai performed a proper investigation into the allegations.” If the international outcry had not been so overwhelming, there is “no doubt” that this woman would still be facing charges. While it is important to give attention to the cases that are described above, it is absolutely essential to note that in every case, the woman has been a foreigner. Rape victims who are UAE citizens have not “uniformly had the same protections,” as the international eye is often only on the Western citizens in non-Western countries. Hundreds of women, some of them pregnant, are being imprisoned in the United Arab Emirates every year under laws that outlaw consensual sex outside marriage. While it is more than clear there are multiple sexist structural issues that need to be addressed in UAE governance, (like with many fundamental political problems), they must be undertaken on the prerogative of the society itself, rather than as a reaction to an outraged outsider

[Olddantucker]

46 minutes ago, Jurgen Knows said:

I’m in. Let’s start a campaign to move the 2026 World Cup to New Zealand. 

I’m in for that. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Qatar have paid for the spotlight to be on them so they will face the scrutiny. It's not unique to Qatar or anybody else. Its ruling class are a cunt class like all the ruling classes. I'd bet a penny to a pound the US faces far worse accusations, abuse, scrutiny every single day from a much higher percentage of people than Qatar ever have or ever will. You want to defend the actions of the state that's fine but don't cry like mud only ever gets thrown one way, we are all covered in it and we all sling it. My opinion personally its a dumb fucking place to hold a world cup its ruined the football season, they had zero infrastructure when they won it, the crowds are shit, the whole feel of it is crap. Football was the last thing on the mind of those making the decisions and money.

[Jurgen Knows]

6 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Qatar have paid for the spotlight to be on them so they will face the scrutiny. It's not unique to Qatar or anybody else. Its ruling class are a cunt class like all the ruling classes. I'd bet a penny to a pound the US faces far worse accusations, abuse, scrutiny every single day from a much higher percentage of people than Qatar ever have or ever will. You want to defend the actions of the state that's fine but don't cry like mud only ever gets thrown one way, we are all covered in it and we all sling it. My opinion personally its a dumb fucking place to hold a world cup its ruined the football season, they had zero infrastructure when they won it, the crowds are shit, the whole feel of it is crap. Football was the last thing on the mind of those making the decisions and money.

I’m looking forward to the campaign against FIFA for granting the next World Cup to the USA then. It would be a good idea to start that one early if we are to have any chance of getting it moved elsewhere. Let’s not repeat the mistake of leaving it too late take the moral high ground.

 

I’m sorry you’re not enjoying Qatar 2022. We’re loving every moment here. Cheers!