Burnley (H) - 3pm, Sat 16/09/17 - Just get the job done.

[waddy78]

I had the misfortune to go to Burnley once for couple of days....you would struggle to find a more ugly looking town and backwards town full of mongs - i reckon there is only actually about 3 families in the town...

 

Yeah, I got offered a job their earlier on in the year walking around the factory having alook at the processes I was thinking to myself "fuck these all look related" I'm pretty sure I heard banjo music coming from somewhere and someone shouting "squuueeellll like a piggy" I turned the job down !!

[ben48]

Of course FSG are trying to do it, relatively speaking, on the cheap - that's why they appointed Klopp. They want him to do what he did at Borussia Dortmund - develop young players and not kick up a fuss when they're sold, whilst qualifying for the Champions League. Winning the league would be a welcome bonus, but it's not the be all and end all, as they can't/won't compete with the Premier League's super powers.

Tony you are spot on there.Its all about money in the long run,if you have the funds of city for example you can afford to waste millions on failures,we unfortunately can't.

[3 Stacks]

We created more proper chances than in our last two games against a resolutely determined and drilled defence.  We weren't overrun in midfield.  These are two (admittedly minor) positives for me.  

 

Most of our "chances" were pot shots from outside the box and we scored from a long ball over the top. We were pants.

[jimmycase]

Well, that wasnt very good to watch. Klopp sure as hell hasnt helped himself and instead, he's given more ammunition for those on here and elsewhere who want to take a pop at him.

 

Was it really necessary to make 7 changes and put a back 5 including the keeper who havent played together as a unit (at least to my knowledge)? That begs the question why did we play so fucking slowly for the first 30 minutes? We seem to let teams like burnley dictate the pace to us instead of us doing it.

 

I really dont get though why he left it until the 75th minute to make a change. Do managers see making a change to their starting 11 as some sort of slight on their judgement or what? I really rate Klopp as a manager and anyone who thinks we'd get a better one than him seriously needs to give their head a shake but why, oh why when virtually everyone in the stadium can see it is not happening, leave it until the game is nearly over before making changes?

 

I could understand taking coutinho off. His shooting had been woeful all game. If I didnt know better, Id say he was trying to get every shot high over the bar. But seeing as he hasnt played much due to a back problem (cough) was probably feeling the effects of a 75 minute workout. Why take 'bobby lad' off though? Couldnt figure that one. Im pretty sure solanke looked more dangerous in his 15 and a bit munites than Dan did for mostof the game.

 

While sturridge was quite industrious and had a few pots at goal, there was nothing really clear cut. Once again, our overall decision making was shit along with the final ball. An example was TAA. A few times he got in good positions with the strikers near post and he's banging the ball over the heads of everyone into space where there's no red shirt in sight.

 

milner takes a fucking age to move the ball and Can, how many times did he get caught with his little drag back after taking an age to move the ball forward?

 

Once again, it was Salah to the rescue with another goal after a very short spell of pressure from burnley had seen them take the lead with their only shot.

 

Last season may have been one of progress, maybe this one is going to see little if any? Sort it out Jurgen else you're going to end up giving the hatters far too much ammo to shoot you down.

[Tony Moanero]

Ha ha.  Now imagining you walking up to a bunch of lads in the middle of a conversation and saying 'Next person to speak is a cunt'

 

 

Ha Ha. Out of rep. Mate, I used to spend an awful lot of time pissed up in pubs, so I don't supposed that there's much that I haven't said to people.

[an tha]

Well, that wasnt very good to watch. Klopp sure as hell hasnt helped himself and instead, he's given more ammunition for those on here and elsewhere who want to take a pop at him.

 

Was it really necessary to make 7 changes and put a back 5 including the keeper who havent played together as a unit (at least to my knowledge)? That begs the question why did we play so fucking slowly for the first 30 minutes? We seem to let teams like burnley dictate the pace to us instead of us doing it.

 

I really dont get though why he left it until the 75th minute to make a change. Do managers see making a change to their starting 11 as some sort of slight on their judgement or what? I really rate Klopp as a manager and anyone who thinks we'd get a better one than him seriously needs to give their head a shake but why, oh why when virtually everyone in the stadium can see it is not happening, leave it until the game is nearly over before making changes?

 

I could understand taking coutinho off. His shooting had been woeful all game. If I didnt know better, Id say he was trying to get every shot high over the bar. But seeing as he hasnt played much due to a back problem (cough) was probably feeling the effects of a 75 minute workout. Why take 'bobby lad' off though? Couldnt figure that one. Im pretty sure solanke looked more dangerous in his 15 and a bit munites than Dan did for mostof the game.

 

While sturridge was quite industrious and had a few pots at goal, there was nothing really clear cut. Once again, our overall decision making was shit along with the final ball. An example was TAA. A few times he got in good positions with the strikers near post and he's banging the ball over the heads of everyone into space where there's no red shirt in sight.

 

milner takes a fucking age to move the ball and Can, how many times did he get caught with his little drag back after taking an age to move the ball forward?

 

Once again, it was Salah to the rescue with another goal after a very short spell of pressure from burnley had seen them take the lead with their only shot.

 

Last season may have been one of progress, maybe this one is going to see little if any? Sort it out Jurgen else you're going to end up giving the hatters far too much ammo to shoot you down.

Fuck knows what it's got to do with Luton.

[Funkasy]

The manager is in deep water, i love the guy but fuck me he has made a meal of things.

[waddy78]

Im starting to get pissed off with 6ft strikers most of whom belong in the 90's Wimbledon teams terrorising our "internationals" at the back, its to easy lump it long and Klavan / Lovren / Matip / Gomez and anybody else who plays there go to pieces and usually end up on their arses. getting in a coach who specialises in defending is something we need to look at Klopp isn't going to change our style so we need to look at alternatives to try and stop leaking stupid goals all the coaching in the world will not help where Lovren / Klavan are concerned they are dead losses for me and should be moved on at the next window.

[russ1979]

The manager is in deep water, i love the guy but fuck me he has made a meal of things.

Yeah let's just sack the manager and go backwards. You buffoon

 

We haven't learnt anything we don't already know today! We are better than last season but not quite good enough but not far off where we need to be. We are a good team who will be scrapping for fourth this season hopefully sign a defender in January.

[Hades]

The simple truth is, unless either Coutinho or Mané, or both, improve to Suarez like levels, we aren't winning the league this season. That's just the nature of being a club that doesn't pay the highest wages or biggest transfer fees. Our defence this season is no worse than the 13/14 season or Leicester's 15/16 defence. And even if everything goes right for us, we have to rely on other teams slipping up.

 

I trust Klopp to keep us thereabouts in the top 4 race and challenge in the cups. With Rodgers, we weren't close to the top 4 and absolutely useless in the cups. I doubt many other managers could improve on that.

 

Perhaps the disconnect is that the overseas, telly-clapping audience is happy with this whereas matchgoers would like to see us prioritise the league above all else. 

[thompsonsnose]

Disappointing draw. Should have won but we were not clinical enough up front, neither were we solid enough at the back.

 

Klopp gets credit for what is good, and he also gets criticism for what is bad.

 

Top four finish and CL football back at Anfield. Credit.

Incredible attacking football when it clicks. Credit.

Iffy defence. Valid criticism.

Transfer window. Mixed bag. Big miss was not adding a central defender. Keita doesn't help this season, but that was good business signing him when we did before others got in there. Salah was good business too. Solanke has displaced Origi so he was good business too. Too early to see what AOC will bring, and Robertson needs more football so we can see what he's made of.

 

Burnley are a well organized and dogged team. They drew 1-1 at Spurs as well. It's easy to pile it on at times like this but we need a bit of calm.

I'm glad you said should "have" won, instead of should "of" won.

It brightens my day.

"Good business" does not win football matches though but.

[thompsonsnose]

Yeah let's just sack the manager and go backwards. You buffoon

 

We haven't learnt anything we don't already know today! We are better than last season but not quite good enough but not far off where we need to be. We are a good team who will be scrapping for fourth this season hopefully sign a defender in January.

Currently slammed in reverse from where i'm sat.

"Better than last season" i dont know how you can say that currently.

Klavan is a STARTING centre back.

[G Richards]

I'm hoping we get VVD in January and Goretzka on a free next summer, to come in with Keita. The big signing could then be Werner and we will have a balanced team with some oomph in the middle too...

 

In the meantime this is what we have. We are not quite as bad as we've looked for a couple of weeks and it will come again. We need a bit of calm.

 

My biggest concern, oddly enough, is if something breaks down between the manager and fans. I have been surprised with the level of criticism towards the manager on here recently. If that grows it could spell big trouble.

[ngogswilly]

Its a bit of a mixed bag. We've improved offensively but defensively we're probably as weak as we've been in a few years now.

 

Basically we are going to need the attack to bail us out as often as possible as we will concede way too often.

[thompsonsnose]

Its a bit of a mixed bag. We've improved offensively but defensively we're probably as weak as we've been in a few years now.

 

Basically we are going to need the attack to bail us out as often as possible as we will concede way too often.

This is a post from 2013 yes?

We should be better than this by now.

Its not fucking good enough.

[G Richards]

Back in the day George Graham's Arsenal side personified the old adage that you build from the back. I would say that the game has moved on since then and the attacking side of the game has become increasingly important. It's no good to be solid and drawing too many games. Lose a few and you will be fine... so long as you get plenty of wins on the board.

 

As things stand we are out of balance. Our defence must improve. No one is expecting George Graham's Arsenal side, but we are expecting competence.

 

Been rubbish since the international break. We saw this pattern last season. We need to get back to something like the level of the Arsenal game and put a run together. It will come. In the meantime let's not kill each other while we are all disappointed!

[ngogswilly]

This is a post from 2013 yes?

We should be better than this by now.

Its not fucking good enough.

100% agree. But its worth keeping perspective.

[waddy78]

I'm hoping we get VVD in January and Goretzka on a free next summer, to come in with Keita. The big signing could then be Werner and we will have a balanced team with some oomph in the middle too...

 

In the meantime this is what we have. We are not quite as bad as we've looked for a couple of weeks and it will come again. We need a bit of calm.

 

My biggest concern, oddly enough, is if something breaks down between the manager and fans. I have been surprised with the he level of criticism towards the manager on here recently. If that grows it could spell big trouble.

 

I don't think it will break down as bad as Rogers last few months, but when the manager appears to criticise the fans during games (which Klopp has done on a few occasions when he waves his arms to the stands ) can come across as a bit of a slap in the face (if that's the best way to put it) especially when those fans were watching the same old mistakes poor performances week after week (January time) it works both ways Klopp has to understand fans do get frustrated with mistake after mistake and the defensive performances have been shocking nothing is changing there he has to take that on board because (I can only speak for myself) the arm waving was getting on my fucking nerves in the end he has to realise that the fans are within their rights to have a go sometimes. I hope Klopp wins us the title and everything else for that matter I just wish he would sort out that fucking defense. 

[an tha]

After the next international break we play the mancs and spurs back to back straight after it.

 

We better get this struggling after international breaks lark sorted quickly.

[Harry Squatter]

Strangely they've scored against better defences than ours and whilst it was poor for their goal, that wasn't why we drew!

 

I thought we played well, some lovely football. Can did well I think - provided a bit more protection.

 

And as for those cheeky cunts! 'In your Liverpool slum'? You fucking joking!

If liverpool is a slum then Burnley must be Chernobyl.

[an tha]

Klopp should be criticised for the things he is getting wrong like our defensive problems, his use of subs...but i don't think he should get stick for the stuff with the fans.

 

He comes from a culture where the fans are loud and supportive all game - he knows no different.

 

It has to be a shock to him to stand in front of silence - especially as he was most probably fed the anfield atmosphere myth.

[Gym Beglin]

He's blown it.

 

8 points from 5 games isn't good, by any marker.

 

And there was no international footy this summer to blame it on.

 

Where's the fucking fight Jurgen? Or is it all a bit of a facade.

 

I'm guessing Firmino won MOTM for an occasional touch of the ball every 7 or 8 minutes as per usual?

[G Richards]

Well said an tha. And he should be getting credit for the great attacking play and taking us back to the CL.

[Duff Man]

The simple truth is, unless either Coutinho or Mané, or both, improve to Suarez like levels, we aren't winning the league this season. That's just the nature of being a club that doesn't pay the highest wages or biggest transfer fees. Our defence this season is no worse than the 13/14 season or Leicester's 15/16 defence. And even if everything goes right for us, we have to rely on other teams slipping up.

 

I trust Klopp to keep us thereabouts in the top 4 race and challenge in the cups. With Rodgers, we weren't close to the top 4 and absolutely useless in the cups. I doubt many other managers could improve on that.

 

Perhaps the disconnect is that the overseas, telly-clapping audience is happy with this whereas matchgoers would like to see us prioritise the league above all else. 

 

Leicester conceded 36 when they won the league; we've already conceded 9. Our defence is definitely on a par with that of the 13/14 side (i.e. shit), but not a cat in hell's chance it's as good Leicester's was when they won the league.

[waddy78]

Klopp should be criticised for the things he is getting wrong like our defensive problems, his use of subs...but i don't think he should get stick for the stuff with the fans.

 

He comes from a culture where the fans are loud and supportive all game - he knows no different.

 

It has to be a shock to him to stand in front of silence - especially as he was most probably fed the anfield atmosphere myth.

 

Probably right mate, but some / most of the fans frustration is down to the defensive problems and poor sub usage I was just trying to say (not very well reading it back) Klopp has more to worry about than the home fans booing or showing signs of frustration during games his gesture towards the crowd can sometimes give the impression "don't question the team". Anyway I don't think the fans will turn on Klopp and as you pointed out when it clicks our attack is up there with the best in Europe if not world football Klopp takes the credit for that.