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Russia v Ukraine


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6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

It's a big tactical defeat and it shows current balance of power. It's also very bad for morale since pessimism is currently prevalent. Strategically it should not be disastrous, since Avdivka was turned into a salient important for offensive towards Donetsk, for which Ukraine does not have the strength at the moment.  Also, it will depend on how orderly they withdrew and what happens next, have they prepared good defensive positions behind it or not. Some news from Avdivka about poor fortifications behind the first line do not bode well though. In the past, such defeats triggered more pull back until the lines are stabilized.


Thanks mate.

 

Feels like it’s going to be gradual Russian gains over the coming months now until it ends, without something changing. 

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They are saying Russia still does not have the capacity for big strategically important advances and they did use their best units for Avdivka, it took them four months and this is their first big success since Bakhmut last May. On the other hand, people tend to constantly underestimate them, they are learning and adapting and so far had enough money to finance their delusional imperial fantasies.

 

Ukraine on the other hand is extremely vulnerable to Western political idiocy because it was ill prepared for this war and everything they do outside of private initiatives and improvisation takes forever and tends to run into the same problems that hindered their overall progress unrelated to this war. Plus, they are fighting Russia.

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2 hours ago, Curly said:

How bad is it for Ukraine that they’ve had to vacate Avdiivka do you all think?

 

Obviously they held the Russians off a good while now, but how important is that in the grand scheme of battle and war at this point?

I think they may have held on so they can create fortifications further back and better defensive positions. The town probably has little strategic value to either side but Russia will push forward at all costs, no step taken back etc. With Russia it seems mostly symbolic and their age old offence is defence doctrine.

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14 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's sad to see that Navalny has been killed by the looks of it. I'd never pretend to know much about him but our media and govs collectively screeching was a red flag for me so I decided to read on him a bit. He had an erm, interesting past and some views that'd probably not go down too well in most places, but clearly our govs and media aren't going to want to focus on that much or at all because Putin, etc.

 

I did have some stuff in a post but it looks like the guy has just been killed and it doesn't feel right so I'm leaving it. I'm sure some here will already know more about him or can search his past and find stuff, I mainly think it's amazing what our govs and media either mostly or completely fail to mention though as long as someone is "on side".

 

 

This is some desperate stuff here. Nice,

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

It's a big tactical defeat and it shows current balance of power. It's also very bad for morale since pessimism is currently prevalent. Strategically it should not be disastrous, since Avdivka was turned into a salient important for offensive towards Donetsk, for which Ukraine does not have the strength at the moment.  Also, it will depend on how orderly they withdrew and what happens next, have they prepared good defensive positions behind it or not. Some news from Avdivka about poor fortifications behind the first line do not bode well though. In the past, such defeats triggered more pull back until the lines are stabilized.

 

Good analysis that. 

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

They are saying Russia still does not have the capacity for big strategically important advances and they did use their best units for Avdivka, it took them four months and this is their first big success since Bakhmut last May. On the other hand, people tend to constantly underestimate them, they are learning and adapting and so far had enough money to finance their delusional imperial fantasies.

 

Ukraine on the other hand is extremely vulnerable to Western political idiocy because it was ill prepared for this war and everything they do outside of private initiatives and improvisation takes forever and tends to run into the same problems that hindered their overall progress unrelated to this war. Plus, they are fighting Russia.

 

To be fair that is because there was pretty much silence on the fall of Marinka a while back. 

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

This is some desperate stuff here. Nice,

 

I know what I've seen about his past and I'm sure it's not hard to find. I really did feel weird going on about him though the same day he'd been killed.

 

Now I can't be bothered with arguing in this thread as usual but it's really not hard to find out about his past, The Guardian even had him saying he'd not really changed his views on one subject either. I'm still kind of avoiding it because there's probably some double standards in here seeing as he was against Putin too. I'm sure anyone really interested though won't find it too hard to see what I'm talking about and could even find more if they spend more time looking/find better articles.

 

Our leaders are frauds though and they only backed him in the hope he'd cause division in Russia by the looks of it. Why else do they support foreign opposition? For democracy and freedom? If they really cared Assange wouldn't be where he is and they'd have tried to save Gonzalo Lira before he ended up dead/got killed too.

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7 hours ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

 

To be fair that is because there was pretty much silence on the fall of Marinka a while back. 

 

True, but they had a third of Marinka from day one I think, and Russians have announced that they captured it several times. And is much smaller than Bakhmut and Avdivka, mostly raised to the ground completely.

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7 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Well RP, you've proven you definitely did not want to come on here and post immediately after Navalny's death, that's for sure.

 

I really didn't, seeing him being almost collectively worshipped though by western media/govs wound me up when I saw the stuff from his past and how that was conveniently left out.

 

Biden as well had said in 2021 that there'd be "devastating consequences" if anything happened to Navalny. Maybe Putin can start backing Galloway and threaten the same over here if anything happens to him? I'm sure that'd go down well.

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37 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I really didn't, seeing him being almost collectively worshipped though by western media/govs wound me up when I saw the stuff from his past and how that was conveniently left out.

 

He was a bit of a racist and Islamaphobe. So what? Sure there's many of those types about the place. Some are members of this forum. 

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23 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

He was a bit of a racist and Islamaphobe. So what? Sure there's many of those types about the place. Some are members of this forum. 

 

It's the bit where he was backed by most Western govs and media as a potential future leader that bothered me. At least that's not happening with forum members!

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I take it you favour a different Russian opposition member, RP? One that has acceptable views on every issue, yet is simultaneously popular within the country of Russia itself?

 

I don't think anyone has said that he was perfect in every way or never made a mistake. But in the ways that really mattered, he was one of the very few people willing to stand up to the corrupt regime, call it what it is, and then have the balls to back it up with his life. 

 

On the whole, he was an incredible person and anyone familiar with him can't help but admire his courage.

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8 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

I don't think anyone has said that he was perfect in every way or never made a mistake.

 

I'm sure I've read that about Biden over the years and looked how that turned out for the people of Gaza. If someone had serious issues on what would be one of the most central issues for any leader, pointing out that nobody said he/she was perfect seems like it's avoiding the problem a bit. Like with Biden I don't doubt that nobody has said he was perfect. If Navalny was a genuinely good person with good intentions for the people of Russia though I find it really hard to believe the US gov would have had anything to do with backing him like they did.

 

Not surprised if this is accurate either :

 

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Basically, his politics adapt to whatever seems opportune, but that also doesn’t seem to help his cause. He is not Nazi enough for the ultra-right, too right-wing for leftists, spooks some liberals with his pro-gun stance and uncertain position on Crimea, which are both serious issues for them. He seems to only find full support in those who want to switch from Putin’s government by any means necessary and don’t really care about views or policies.

 

Who is Alexei Navalny? Behind the myth of the West’s favorite Russian opposition figure

 

I'm not denying that he had courage to do what he did though and again I'm not happy that he's been killed if that's what happened. I don't support governments ending people's lives no matter who they are or what they've done.

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9 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I really didn't, seeing him being almost collectively worshipped though by western media/govs wound me up when I saw the stuff from his past and how that was conveniently left out.

 

Biden as well had said in 2021 that there'd be "devastating consequences" if anything happened to Navalny. Maybe Putin can start backing Galloway and threaten the same over here if anything happens to him? I'm sure that'd go down well.

Always a conspiracy or 'West are bad' angle.

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30 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I'm sure I've read that about Biden over the years and looked how that turned out for the people of Gaza. If someone had serious issues on what would be one of the most central issues for any leader, pointing out that nobody said he/she was perfect seems like it's avoiding the problem a bit. Like with Biden I don't doubt that nobody has said he was perfect. If Navalny was a genuinely good person with good intentions for the people of Russia though I find it really hard to believe the US gov would have had anything to do with backing him like they did.

 

Not surprised if this is accurate either :

 

 

Who is Alexei Navalny? Behind the myth of the West’s favorite Russian opposition figure

 

I'm not denying that he had courage to do what he did though and again I'm not happy that he's been killed if that's what happened. I don't support governments ending people's lives no matter who they are or what they've done.

But instead of whole heartedly condemning Putin as a fascist scumbag, you go looking on websites for stuff about The ‘west’s favourite Russian opposition figure’. Wahey!

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