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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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So is this why he's not on TV any longer or is it because he's quite unfunny?

Didn't he have a bad back? That's all I can remember about him. That and him not being very funny. Oh and smashing someone's phone!

 

Seems I'm a bit of an expert on him.

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Didn't he have a bad back? That's all I can remember about him. That and him not being very funny. Oh and smashing someone's phone!

 

Seems I'm a bit of an expert on him.

Haha! Yeah, it's quite the rogues gallery from They Think it's All Over with Rory getting done for stalking. Has Hancock gotten up to any mischief too?

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It's the re-framing of the Brexiteer's position now that's pissing me off. Davis, Gove, Johnson, Fox etc all made it clear that we'd have an equivalent deal with the EU by the time we left. They're now floating the idea that no deal and falling back onto WTO rules wouldn't be that bad? I haven't had anyone rationally explain how imposing tariffs of anything from 2.5% to 40% across the whole of British industry isn't going to be bad.

They probably think because we import more than we export, we'll be quids in with the in kind tariffs, forgetting the goods we buy will be more expensive and less people will have jobs. Bit don't worry, gove, Johnson et al will be fine.
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Britain will face nuclear fuel shortages, truck queues at Dover and “serious disruption” to air traffic if Brexit talks fail, the EU’s chief negotiator has warned as he outlined conditions for an “ambitious” UK-EU trade deal.

 

 

In a wide-ranging speech ahead of Article 50 exit talks, Michel Barnier warned Britain it must agree “principles for an orderly withdrawal” before trade talks, including its financial dues and the rights of 4m UK and EU migrants. 

 

Speaking shortly after reports of a shooting incident at the British parliament, Mr Barnier expressed his “solidarity” with the UK over the “serious events unfolding in London”. 

 

Mr Barnier, while endorsing UK Prime Minister Theresa May’s call for a “bold and ambitious free-trade agreement”, insisted that ambition must also maintain “a level playing field” on tax, labour law and consumer rights. 

 

“The sooner we agree on the principles of an orderly withdrawal, the sooner we can start preparing this future relationship,” he said. “On the other hand if we do not address these uncertainties and put off difficult subjects to the end of the negotiations, we will be heading for failure.”

 

Mr Barnier did not completely rule out the possibility of agreeing a free-trade deal in time for Britain’s exit — one of London’s key demands. However, he said the new partnership would “take time” and that transition arrangements may be necessary. 

 

Brushing aside one of Mrs May’s red lines over the future role of European judges, Mr Barnier explicitly stated the EU’s demand that interim measures “will be within the framework of European law” and the European Court of Justice. Such a transition could not allow Britain to pick and chose access to areas of the single market. 

 

 

In one of the most provocative parts of his address, Mr Barnier tackled head-on Mrs May’s assertion that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, setting out a bleak vision of the “serious consequences” from leaving without agreement.

 

“More than 4m British citizens in the EU and European citizens in the UK faced with complete uncertainty about their rights and their future; the reintroduction of binding customs controls, which will inevitably slow down trade and lead to queues of trucks at Dover; serious disruption to air traffic; an overnight suspension in the movement of nuclear materials to the UK,” he said.

 

“A no-deal scenario is not our goal. We want an agreement. We want to succeed.

 

 

Although Mr Barnier was uncompromising on the need for Britain to “settle its accounts”, he avoided putting a figure on any exit payment, or explaining in more detail what principles for a withdrawal would need to be agreed.

 

“When a country leaves the Union, there is no punishment,” Mr Barnier said. “There is no price to pay to leave. But we must settle the accounts. We will not ask the British to pay a single euro for something they have not agreed to as a member.” 

 

The European Commission is also keen to show it will be constructive and ambitious in its handling of trade talks, once the basics of a divorce are worked out.

 

“We agree with Theresa May in her call for a ‘bold and ambitious free-trade agreement’. Yes to ambition!” Mr Barnier said. 

 

But in a sign of the how difficult trade talks may become, he added: “This ambition will also apply to social welfare, tax, environmental and consumer protection standards to which our citizens are rightly attached.”

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e7c69670-0f0c-11e7-b030-768954394623

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Britain will face nuclear fuel shortages, truck queues at Dover and “serious disruption” to air traffic if Brexit talks fail, the EU’s chief negotiator has warned as he outlined conditions for an “ambitious” UK-EU trade deal.

 

 

In a wide-ranging speech ahead of Article 50 exit talks, Michel Barnier warned Britain it must agree “principles for an orderly withdrawal” before trade talks, including its financial dues and the rights of 4m UK and EU migrants. 

 

Speaking shortly after reports of a shooting incident at the British parliament, Mr Barnier expressed his “solidarity” with the UK over the “serious events unfolding in London”. 

 

Mr Barnier, while endorsing UK Prime Minister Theresa May’s call for a “bold and ambitious free-trade agreement”, insisted that ambition must also maintain “a level playing field” on tax, labour law and consumer rights. 

 

“The sooner we agree on the principles of an orderly withdrawal, the sooner we can start preparing this future relationship,” he said. “On the other hand if we do not address these uncertainties and put off difficult subjects to the end of the negotiations, we will be heading for failure.”

 

Mr Barnier did not completely rule out the possibility of agreeing a free-trade deal in time for Britain’s exit — one of London’s key demands. However, he said the new partnership would “take time” and that transition arrangements may be necessary. 

 

Brushing aside one of Mrs May’s red lines over the future role of European judges, Mr Barnier explicitly stated the EU’s demand that interim measures “will be within the framework of European law” and the European Court of Justice. Such a transition could not allow Britain to pick and chose access to areas of the single market. 

 

 

In one of the most provocative parts of his address, Mr Barnier tackled head-on Mrs May’s assertion that “no deal is better than a bad deal”, setting out a bleak vision of the “serious consequences” from leaving without agreement.

 

“More than 4m British citizens in the EU and European citizens in the UK faced with complete uncertainty about their rights and their future; the reintroduction of binding customs controls, which will inevitably slow down trade and lead to queues of trucks at Dover; serious disruption to air traffic; an overnight suspension in the movement of nuclear materials to the UK,” he said.

 

“A no-deal scenario is not our goal. We want an agreement. We want to succeed.

 

 

Although Mr Barnier was uncompromising on the need for Britain to “settle its accounts”, he avoided putting a figure on any exit payment, or explaining in more detail what principles for a withdrawal would need to be agreed.

 

“When a country leaves the Union, there is no punishment,” Mr Barnier said. “There is no price to pay to leave. But we must settle the accounts. We will not ask the British to pay a single euro for something they have not agreed to as a member.” 

 

The European Commission is also keen to show it will be constructive and ambitious in its handling of trade talks, once the basics of a divorce are worked out.

 

“We agree with Theresa May in her call for a ‘bold and ambitious free-trade agreement’. Yes to ambition!” Mr Barnier said. 

 

But in a sign of the how difficult trade talks may become, he added: “This ambition will also apply to social welfare, tax, environmental and consumer protection standards to which our citizens are rightly attached.”

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/e7c69670-0f0c-11e7-b030-768954394623

 

It won't be the cunts like Rees Mogg. Fox, Johnson and their foreign based media mogul paymasters that pay the price for the ensuing chaos, Bargain basement , low wage  Britain will be open for business

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The thing is, this whole thing now is being played out in an atmosphere of distrust and bitterness. The likes of barnier are doing nothing less than cunts like May and Davis in pushing us all to oblivion. The posturing on both sides for some time now is no basis for any type of negotiation. The only people who lose are the ordinary people on both sides of this. I'm getting sick to the back teeth of it now. They're both talking up scenarios neither side wants, to cause panic and some illusion of political strength. They're all cunts.

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The thing is, this whole thing now is being played out in an atmosphere of distrust and bitterness. The likes of barnier are doing nothing less than cunts like May and Davis in pushing us all to oblivion. The posturing on both sides for some time now is no basis for any type of negotiation. The only people who lose are the ordinary people on both sides of this. I'm getting sick to the back teeth of it now. They're both talking up scenarios neither side wants, to cause panic and some illusion of political strength. They're all cunts.

 

It was born out of lies, ignorance and misinformation so why would anyone believe a single word coming from these cunts taking us out of the EU .Nothing will change until it turns really nasty . An even shittier, or no job, less money and crappier services will cause the scales to fall from enough peoples eyes to call a halt eventually,  My guess in the grand scheme of things Brexit will be a blip and we will have a close relationship with our neighbours and probably rejoin the EU in stages .     

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It was born out of lies, ignorance and misinformation so why would anyone believe a single word coming from these cunts taking us out of the EU .Nothing will change until it turns really nasty . An even shittier, or no job, less money and crappier services will cause the scales to fall from enough peoples eyes to call a halt eventually, My guess in the grand scheme of things Brexit will be a blip and we will have a close relationship with our neighbours and probably rejoin the EU in stages .

There was a period of time I thought they'd come up with some solution where we never actually left, put 2 fingers up to Brussels and ignored freedom of movement, while keep our end of funding Europe and it would all die a death. The problem is, May has created a monster (in a bad way of course) with her government and they're just blowing more and more bullshit out there every time the EU say something. The EU on the other hand, seem only to care about the project and how poking the British in the eye, is the only way to keep the continent in order. At no point are either side trying to find a genuine basis for discussion. It's fucking childish. I think this will end in so much bitterness, there'll be no way back, Europe will suffer a little and we'll be fucked.
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Studiously avoiding the Question Time Brexit special, knowing that five minutes in I'd want to murder pretty much everyone in the studio.

 

I lasted about 10 minutes,  That fucking red headed bint from UKIP was an advert for euthanasia

Davies the massive smug bellend just doesn't give a fuck. Acts like he's fucking infallible,

Starmer from what little I saw trying to sit on the fence in a pathetic attempt to appear some sort of unity candidate leaving Clegg to stand up for the rights of ordinary people and demand a referendum on the final deal.  

 

The audience was a disgrace ( no way was it balanced thanks to the Biased Brexit Corporation)  and that gobshite Dumbledore his usual pointless self 

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Ark at you. Happy to make the country poorer and extend austerity with your vote yet it's the EU that's a clusterfuck.

"The country poorer" We're fucking skint, we've recently seen the biggest financial meltdown in history, we produce fuck all, we neglect our young and own nothing, unless you count a big pile of scrap metal weapon that if fired would head in the wrong direction.

 

The country has been getting poorer the past 30 years's its all capitalist bullshit, all a different shade of grey.

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Just one tiny problem with that: she's never been a Commissioner.

 

From the 2014 article you linked to

"It is extremely unlikely David Cameron would send Warsi to Brussels. And Kinnock was likely causing mischief as Labour MPs have been having some fun making suggestions about who the prime minister should pick.

Warsi demurred. “I can honestly say it’s not a job I am interested in,” she said."

A failed politican like kinnock on his wages may be wise keeping his nonsense to himself.

 

The man's biggest achievement was starring in a pop video next to Tracy Ullman.

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"The country poorer" We're fucking skint, we've recently seen the biggest financial meltdown in history, we produce fuck all, we neglect our young and own nothing, unless you count a big pile of scrap metal weapon that if fired would head in the wrong direction.

 

The country has been getting poorer the past 30 years's its all capitalist bullshit, all a different shade of grey.

I hate to break it to you but that's what you've voted for more of. It would have been simpler for you not to vote rather than wrestle with your conscience a few years down the line when the Tories have turned us into 'Singapore on steroids'.

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Farage on the radio asked what he would do if Brexit was a complete disaster said he would emigrate.

Cunt doesn't begin to describe the man, Breaks in to your house , shits on your carpet then fucks off.

 

And people wonder why Brexiters are derided as fools for swallowing all the guff that was put out as reasons for leaving. The main protagonist already has his German passport and plan B  Spin a few lies in sunny California as Trumps bitch and fuck the UK

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-i-will-emigrate-if-brexit-is-a-disaster-a7653786.html 

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"The country poorer" We're fucking skint, we've recently seen the biggest financial meltdown in history, we produce fuck all, we neglect our young and own nothing, unless you count a big pile of scrap metal weapon that if fired would head in the wrong direction.

 

The country has been getting poorer the past 30 years's its all capitalist bullshit, all a different shade of grey.

Dunno where you get this nonsense from 

We're one of the richest countries in the world by pretty much every yardstick

True, this wealth is very concentrated at the top but that's due to our Governments rather than Europe

In fact, your Leave vote will go to concentrate the wealth even more in the top 1% so well done for that

Nice one etc

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I hate to break it to you but that's what you've voted for more of. It would have been simpler for you not to vote rather than wrestle with your conscience a few years down the line when the Tories have turned us into 'Singapore on steroids'.

I abstained

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Dunno where you get this nonsense from

We're one of the richest countries in the world by pretty much every yardstick

True, this wealth is very concentrated at the top but that's due to our Governments rather than Europe

In fact, your Leave vote will go to concentrate the wealth even more in the top 1% so well done for that

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Wealth in this country has gone to the top for years, the eu support the principles of capitalism. It hasn't saved you from massive inequality before and it would not save you again

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Wealth in this country has gone to the top for years, the eu support the principles of capitalism. It hasn't saved you from massive inequality before and it would not save you again

And the EU helped reduce that inequality more than our own governments,never mind offering different ideas on stuff like health,education and safety in the workplace. You've helped remove those and trusted it to rich elitist cunts who couldnt give a shit about their fellow citizens. Well done on that count.

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