Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[col06]

Something fishy about this whole saga if you ask me

[Lario]

Somebody said what to who now?!

[razor]

The site was obtained from google, its not a website i go on.

 

The link wasn't posted for people to see the argument, it was posted for people to see the video.

 

The video is there for all to see. Regardless of who posted the video, the footage shows the type of person who FA are seemingly listening to and beleiveng.

 

The point i was also trying to get across was that Alex Ferguson is a hypocritical cunt! Taking into consideration the comments ferguson made after the game regarding Suarez. Like i said, it was irrelevant to the topic.

 

But another hole in this is the fact that Suarez DID kick him. Do you not remember it? It may not be obvious from that angle, but he did.

 

He made the most of it, of course.

 

JK, the person who wrote the article you linked to, is an idiot with no credibility. Him saying that there was no contact is just another example of this.

[razor]

Talksport.

Fuck me, you put yourself through that at this moment in time?

 

Only in this parallel universe can one player get in trouble for calling a player 'mate', and the other one get away with calling a player a 'black cunt'.

 

 

There was an article posted on this site this week about a Paisley, and how he was put out by a letter from a fan, and how the journalist was saying how the fans have too much freedom to say anything.

Well, this is why we need to say things on the internet, because we cannot trust journalists any more, we're not stupid, we see through this bullshit and we see through your phoney credentials as sports writers, and your wanky suggestive writing style. It's not the same as 1978, you're all a bunch of cunts and need sorting.

 

I agree. The level of scrutiny of journos these days must make them uncomfortable. If I knew how to work Twitter I'd be hounding that Daniel Taylor into retirement.

 

They try to engage in debate and defend their position on Twitter and the likes, but really the futility of their loaded, biased, briefing-quoting offerings is plain for all to see.

 

The continuing growth of media literacy ("Media Studies is a load of fluffy rubbish" - Daily Mail et al) will only strengthen the level of scrutiny.

 

Now if we could just keep morons off the internet...

[razor]

All these over sensitive, pc people on here, and there are many. Why is it that racism only seems to work 1 way, it's like it's a White trait. You never hear a black person call us White bastards etc? I have, many a time, but we don't take offence by it, soon as black gets mentioned the racism card gets pulled. I worked in a rough part of Brum for

2 years in the mid 90's in a predominantly black building site,and I have to say they were the worse racists I have ever met. I don't like racism in any form, but there's a lot of over sensitive pc correct people on here. What would happen if we had an awards

ceremony just for White music, to rival the MOBO's? I'd imagine there'd be uproar.The racism card gets pulled far too much now, were losing sight of what actually is or isn't racist. Why can't we celebrate our culture instead of worrying about other cultures living in our society? Christmas, Easter etc. Because these people are over sensitive & know that in this ridiculous pc world we live in,that as soon as The racist card is pulled people will have to listen. Pisses me right off, as I say I'm no racist but what I will say is that they use the racism card far too much.

 

I think you might just surprise yourself.

[FrenchEyeGlass]

I don't think the following is truly relatable to Suarez's scenario. But I thought it'd be interesting anyway.

 

2008 - Harbhajan Singh is accused by Andrew Symonds to have used racial slurs.

 

- Harbhajan Singh called Andrew Symonds a "Bandhar".

- "Bandhar" translates literally as "Monkey"

- As a a British Indian, from a family which uses this word in absolute abundance, and with a mother who has called him a Bandhar herself, there is no way in hell that this word has any racial connotations.

- It is a banterous term - and although it translates literally into Monkey, it is used to say to the effect of "Idiot", "Mischievous", "Cheeky", "Cunning". All attributable to an actual monkey.

 

This is a prime example of how languages are interpreted differently and I know how Harbhajhan must have felt being called a racist. Because it is 10000% not racist, whoever it is said to. Suarez must be absolutely seething because where he is from, and the in the circles he socialises within, Negrita has absolutely no racial connotation.

[Guest ShoePiss]

I haven't kept up to speed on this thread but when did it become fact that Suarez said Negrito? Has he admitted to saying it?

[Mathewbet1]

So I guess the FA will be consulting Gin Soak for the length of the ban then.

[Hermes]

Racism is a one way street. When Diouf spat at the Celtic fan he first called him "a white shit".

 

He was fined only for the spit.

[jamespp]

I think you might just surprise yourself.

 

you just proved his point

[gingerhulk]

Just spoke to ollie holt on twitter (big time me), he has seen the Hernandez quote and he believes it backs up the South America acceptablity of the word Negrito, but he thinks it depends on the context it was used.

[Tossed and blown]

I'd imagine our lawyers have got people trawling through the written and spoken words of united players in the hope of finding a bit of dynamite. If they do use the same word, there cannot realistically be a case against Luis.

 

The acceptability in south america is not as relevent as the usage in europe. Our laws in this sort of matter will ultimately defer to europe, so if an inoffensive basis can be proven in, say, spain it strengthens our case.

 

I do think that Kenny may have made a mistake by insisting that one party or the other gets punished though. Realistically they were never going to charge evra with anything.

[ngogswilly]

Just spoke to ollie holt on twitter (big time me), he has seen the Hernandez quote and he believes it backs up the South America acceptablity of the word Negrito, but he thinks it depends on the context it was used.

 

The more that Hernandez quote gets circulating the better. It undermines United's argument big time.

 

Going down the road of intent and context is bollox. It would be the flimsiest argument ever made.

[Abs]

This is all completely fair minded. Sadly because you are so insane and blinkered on so many other things, you will be ignored, or vilified. If you are, it’s not because you’re black.

 

lool im not on twitter. I seen the twitter account that been posted here and i can assure you it is not me:wallbutt:

[A_S]

I don't think the following is truly relatable to Suarez's scenario. But I thought it'd be interesting anyway.

 

2008 - Harbhajan Singh is accused by Andrew Symonds to have used racial slurs.

 

- Harbhajan Singh called Andrew Symonds a "Bandhar".

- "Bandhar" translates literally as "Monkey"

- As a a British Indian, from a family which uses this word in absolute abundance, and with a mother who has called him a Bandhar herself, there is no way in hell that this word has any racial connotations.

- It is a banterous term - and although it translates literally into Monkey, it is used to say to the effect of "Idiot", "Mischievous", "Cheeky", "Cunning". All attributable to an actual monkey.

 

This is a prime example of how languages are interpreted differently and I know how Harbhajhan must have felt being called a racist. Because it is 10000% not racist, whoever it is said to. Suarez must be absolutely seething because where he is from, and the in the circles he socialises within, Negrita has absolutely no racial connotation.

Why would you say it's not relevant mate? It seems very similar to me.

[RedPaul]

This is really pissing me off, just want the fa to make their decision.

 

We don't know for sure if the word was negrito, but if it is, as I have said before, it is a very common term in the whole of Latin America, as is the general use of colour when referring to someone else. Usualy there is no racism attached to these terms, unless other terms are used ('mono' - monkey - for example).

My wife is from Ecuador, I have spent a lot of time in South America. I have been called blanco, gringo, suco, etc... in all variety of situations, none of which have led me to think that's racist. My wife is called 'negrita' by her family, friends, acquaintances, because she is darker skinned to others. Nothing racist in it, just a description.

If Luis has used this word, which would not surprise me, it is crucial that the club focus on the common use of the word in Latin America, where it has no racial overtones in most instances. There is some racism on that continent, like everywhere, but in my experience, it is not that prevalent, and other words are used.

 

Luis (and all other south american players here) will now learn that any use of their common language which refers to colour is not acceptable in this over-sensitive country.

It's not ignorance for me, it's a lack of undertsanding on our part of south american culture.

 

The problem is the way the media is building this whole racism in football thing up into a massive crescendo, that it feels like someone is going to take the rap for it and it seems Luis will be up first. They are baying for blood!

Obviously it is very hard to make any judgement without any of the facts, but it all feels totally wrong and blown out of all proportion.

One more thing I was thinking re the fa charges.

1) the reference to abusive language - well that happens numerous times in every game, why is it now a problem? You could create numerous cases every game!

2) reference to ethnicity, colour or race - if Luis does get punished, then he can also use this whenever he is referred to by his ethnic origin (latin/spanish)? The fa would then investigate and take action wouldn't they?

As someone else has said, there would be something racist in also NOT taking into account Luis' country of origin and cultural use of common words. The fa needs someone on their panel who understands latin culture for it to be a fair hearing.

I really hope he gets that.

[Uncle_Meat]

Racism is a one way street. When Diouf spat at the Celtic fan he first called him "a white shit".

 

He was fined only for the spit.

 

 

 

You rarely see white shits anymore. Feed your dogs more bones, people. Bring back the white shite.

[caracaracara]

The FA can not find Suarez guilty of a racist remark as it is a criminal offence. They have no power to do so.

 

All they can do is find him guilty of intent to cause offence. Therefore, they do not have to prove ' beyond all reasonable doubt' that it has racist connotations.

 

The main defence for Suarez is that at not time in the game did Evra make a comment to ANYBODY (including Suarez) that he found this remark offensive.

 

The worst case is that the FA decide to warn Suarez of his future behaviour.

 

However, they have to show their 'duty of care' brininging in a more prescriptive 'code of conduct' and insist clubs provide cultural awareness training for all players (on an annual basis).

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Why would you say it's not relevant mate? It seems very similar to me.

 

I said it wasn't relatable mate. I do think it is relevant.

 

I don't think its truly relatable because I'm not sure as to whether Suarez has said Negrito. And even if he has, 'Bandar' is still a word with mildly negative (and highly playful) connotations, whilst Negrito is simply an adjective in South America.

[magicrat]

The FA can not find Suarez guilty of a racist remark as it is a criminal offence. They have no power to do so.

 

All they can do is find him guilty of intent to cause offence. Therefore, they do not have to prove ' beyond all reasonable doubt' that it has racist connotations.

 

The main defence for Suarez is that at not time in the game did Evra make a comment to ANYBODY (including Suarez) that he found this remark offensive.

 

The worst case is that the FA decide to warn Suarez of his future behaviour.

 

However, they have to show their 'duty of care' brininging in a more prescriptive 'code of conduct' and insist clubs provide cultural awareness training for all players (on an annual basis).

I think you're probably right and this will just end with Suarez getting a warning to be more carerful in the future. I absolutely detest Blatter and all he stands for but in the case of Suarez being a bit too gobby and Evra being a massive tart it would been better better had they just shaken hands . The farce that has ensued will do nothing to help eliminate racism

[H7K]

I haven't kept up to speed on this thread but when did it become fact that Suarez said Negrito? Has he admitted to saying it?

 

I'd like to know there the negrito things started too.

[Jack the Sipper]

I haven't kept up to speed on this thread but when did it become fact that Suarez said Negrito? Has he admitted to saying it?

 

Not to my knowledge. As far as I know, Suarez admitted to calling Evra something not specified, but that Evra's team-mates call him, and a few journo's ran with the 'belief' that the word was 'negrito'. Since then it seems to have become fact for some.

[zigackly]

Not to my knowledge. As far as I know, Suarez admitted to calling Evra something not specified, but that Evra's team-mates call him, and a few journo's ran with the 'belief' that the word was 'negrito'. Since then it seems to have become fact for some.

 

I've seen articles that didn't use the word "belief", just flat out stated that was the word he used.

 

In order to print that, those journalists will have a source telling them so. Now it's by no means set in stone that the source is telling them the truth, but what it does mean is that someone either at Man United or Liverpool, or connected to Evra or Suarez, has told them that is what was said.

 

If Suarez didn't say that, then the journalists who have printed it would be laying themselves open to legal action from him, so it is in their interests to have a very good source if they are going to print.

 

None of that means it is definitely what he said, but it does make it very likely, and also fits with the interview he gave in Uruguay.

[H7K]

Cheers Jack and Zig

[redsoxs]

It seemed on the face of it a strange thing for Suarez to say.

 

Again this is pure speculation but its possible Suarez said it because he heard Hernandez and Co. saying it so he thought it was ok.

 

I think its very possible the Manc players say it to him and again their whole case is going to come crumbling down if its proven they do.

But they'll probably close ranks now and refuse to admit they do.

 

Either way the Hernandez article where he called the player "Negrito" will have undermined their argument a fair bit now.

 

were is this article?