James Blunt

[stringvest]

Read that article a while back and it does knock the nail right on the head.

There are so many obstacles for working class/lower class kids and people before they even think about getting an education or career. It's a bit like that toll road on the M6 and the wealthy are simply able to get ahead by jumping on the toll road by having a few quid while the masses are all stuck in a series of traffic jams,hold ups and accidents along the way,and are all pushed into the same bottleneck.

Its near impossible to explain this or have the wealthy understand as they will never have to go down this route. It will always be the toll road option.

 

She's a decent writer, Caitlin Moran.  She's one of many who are from similar backgrounds who have made it into print.  The point about you make about explaining this and making the wealthy understand I half agree with.  I actually think it's easy to explain - or describe - the plight of the poor.  Some of the relatively wealthy do understand, and some of them even do more than just cry crocodile tears, though it's clearly not enough.  The real achievement is in getting the rich to actually give a fuck.  Given that we live in increasingly less enlightened times, the chances of this happening reduce by the day.  

[Jairzinho]

Read that article a while back and it does knock the nail right on the head.

There are so many obstacles for working class/lower class kids and people before they even think about getting an education or career. It's a bit like that toll road on the M6 and the wealthy are simply able to get ahead by jumping on the toll road by having a few quid while the masses are all stuck in a series of traffic jams,hold ups and accidents along the way,and are all pushed into the same bottleneck.

Its near impossible to explain this or have the wealthy understand as they will never have to go down this route. It will always be the toll road option.

 

Economic Liberalism. Freedom to be poor, bought democracy, and equality of opportunity as long you went to Eton and have a relative on the board. 

[Chairman Meow]

She's a decent writer, Caitlin Moran.  She's one of many who are from similar backgrounds who have made it into print.  The point about you make about explaining this and making the wealthy understand I half agree with.  I actually think it's easy to explain - or describe - the plight of the poor.  Some of the relatively wealthy do understand, and some of them even do more than just cry crocodile tears, though it's clearly not enough.  The real achievement is in getting the rich to actually give a fuck.  Given that we live in increasingly less enlightened times, the chances of this happening reduce by the day.  

 

While I think you can explain it I don't think they can ever fully understand it, there's been points in my life both while getting myself educated and in working life where I've been near the verge of just giving it up because it became very wearing. 

 

Obviously even they at some point will have periods of their lives which are hard comparatively, losing family stuff like that which we all suffer through.

 

They'll mostly never endure that feeling of total hopelessness when you genuinely wonder if you can ever change your situation. Despite everything I'm not really all that much further down the line than I was when I started. Obviously I'm trying to make that change, but the obstacles are just that little bit more. That much they will never truly understand. 

 

 

 

Economic Liberalism. Freedom to be poor, bought democracy, and equality of opportunity as long you went to Eton and have a relative on the board. 

 

Freedom and justice for all. As long as you can pay for it of course. 

[Jim MM]

I don't think it's a matter of who's right and who's wrong, the politician or the posh boy. Both cunts by the looks of it.

[Chairman Meow]

I don't think it's a matter of who's right and who's wrong, the politician or the posh boy. Both cunts by the looks of it.

 

Frankly if the best Labour can come up with in opposition is this kind of bollocks while the current government fucks most of the country over it doesn't bode all that well really. 

[Section_31]

She's a decent writer, Caitlin Moran.  She's one of many who are from similar backgrounds who have made it into print.  The point about you make about explaining this and making the wealthy understand I half agree with.  I actually think it's easy to explain - or describe - the plight of the poor.  Some of the relatively wealthy do understand, and some of them even do more than just cry crocodile tears, though it's clearly not enough.  The real achievement is in getting the rich to actually give a fuck.  Given that we live in increasingly less enlightened times, the chances of this happening reduce by the day.  

 

The real question I find interesting is why do the same poor areas stay poor. 

 

Speke, for example, has more going for it than when I was a kid in terms of places to work, not incredible jobs in terms of wages but there's definitely more than there was there, yet still the poverty is entrenched. There seems to be more to it than just job opportunities. It's expectation. I think the world can be a scary place when you're skint and your parents are skint. 

[stringvest]

A significant influence on outcomes is expectation.  As always.  And though there are myriad other factors, addressing expectations and lifting ambitions are things that can be achieved despite circumstances.  If the environment is not there, it takes a special sort of individual to mentor people in this way - I certainly wouldn't be able to do it, though I've been fortunate to witness it.  The world is calling out for more local heroes.  

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I like his music. What of it?

[Section_31]

I like his music. What of it?

 

All I know is the insurgency in Iraq stopped when Blunt left the army.

[VladimirIlyich]

She's a decent writer, Caitlin Moran. She's one of many who are from similar backgrounds who have made it into print. The point about you make about explaining this and making the wealthy understand I half agree with. I actually think it's easy to explain - or describe - the plight of the poor. Some of the relatively wealthy do understand, and some of them even do more than just cry crocodile tears, though it's clearly not enough. The real achievement is in getting the rich to actually give a fuck. Given that we live in increasingly less enlightened times, the chances of this happening reduce by the day.

I am not labelling all wealthy people as heartless bastards,though the only ones we are usually introduced to in the media seem to be,its just that they can never truly understand the hopelessness and desperation of being in this position. They can sympathise and help,but they cannot really empathise and therefore some decisions the powers that be make are because they lack that understanding.

[Section_31]

I am not labelling all wealthy people as heartless bastards,though the only ones we are usually introduced to in the media seem to be,its just that they can never truly understand the hopelessness and desperation of being in this position. They can sympathise and help,but they cannot really empathise and therefore some decisions the powers that be make are because they lack that understanding.

Apparently Clement Atlee's views were formed when he worked for a children's charity in London's East End.

 

I remember Michael Portillo became slightly less cunty after he did a BBC show where he had to live the life of a single parent and remarked 'I had no idea people lived like this'.

 

What made the last recession so interesting was that it was the first one to really hit the middle classes, so suddenly some things were brought into focus by the media. The 'cost of living crisis', the poor have had a cost of living crisis for decades. Remember some former company director on Sky News moaning about the inefficiencies of the Job Centre "I went in there and they didn't even help me find a job". Nearly pissed myself. Welcome to the real world fucko.

[VladimirIlyich]

Apparently Clement Atlee's views were formed when he worked for a children's charity in London's East End.

 

I remember Michael Portillo became slightly less cunty after he did a BBC show where he had to live the life of a single parent and remarked 'I had no idea people lived like this'.

 

What made the last recession so interesting was that it was the first one to really hit the middle classes, so suddenly some things were brought into focus by the media. The 'cost of living crisis', the poor have had a cost of living crisis for decades. Remember some former company director on Sky News moaning about the inefficiencies of the Job Centre "I went in there and they didn't even help me find a job". Nearly pissed myself. Welcome to the real world fucko.

Its sad really. Rather than resenting those middle classes completely I actually sympathise with them as if they are suffering, its a lot worse for the rest of us.

[Section_31]

Its sad really. Rather than resenting those middle classes completely I actually sympathise with them as if they are suffering, its a lot worse for the rest of us.

What's interesting is that as a result of social engineering most people are either middle class, consider themselves middle class or aspire to be middle class.

 

The middle class as it exists now doesn't care about much beyond their own garden gate (I include myself in that, although I wouldn't class myself as middle class, I do consider the country's soul to be something of a lost cause and aspire now mainly to a quiet life).

 

I think that's why the centre right is our only politics now, people vote less on national priorities rather than on things that will directly affect them - the economy, and lately, the NHS. That's why slamming benefits and immigration is a vote winner, by and large they don't effect these people.

[VladimirIlyich]

What's interesting is that as a result of social engineering most people are either middle class, consider themselves middle class or aspire to be middle class.

 

The middle class as it exists now doesn't care about much beyond their own garden gate (I include myself in that, although I wouldn't class myself as middle class, I do consider the country's soul to be something of a lost cause and aspire now mainly to a quiet life).

 

I think that's why the centre right is our only politics now, people vote less on national priorities rather than on things that will directly affect them - the economy, and lately, the NHS. That's why slamming benefits and immigration is a vote winner, by and large they don't effect these people.

Thats very sad and one of the reasons why we are fucked.

The Thatcher Government Mind Control Programme has been an overwhelming success.(Not a go at you mate,just the people who consider themselves or aspire to be called Middle Class.)

[dickie mint]

Ha ha middle fuckin class,no wonder the cunts in power are laughing there heads off and taking the piss,the only class people know now a days was the one they went to school in.

[PestiRed]

Our Prime Minister/Dictator, the delightful Viktor Orban, has been desperately trying to both create and appeal to a new Hungarian middle class with his brand of nationalist, centre right politics. When he was asked who this middle class he wanted to be the hero of was, he said

 

"It’s like porn: It’s hard to define, but you definitely know it when you see it."

 

Lovely stuff

[lifetime fan]

Fuck him the high pitched twat.

 

Reminds me of the walrus Adele moaning she had a £5m tax bill...that's because you earnt £10m you stupid fat cunt.

[Section_31]

Fuck him the high pitched twat.

 

Reminds me of the walrus Adele moaning she had a £5m tax bill...that's because you earnt £10m you stupid fat cunt.

Outstanding.

[lifetime fan]

I mean how's anyone supposed to get by on £5m a year?

 

Fuck off and take Paul Daniels, the coffin dodging cunt Brucie, Phil Collins and Bruno with you you offend my eyes you fat slag.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Imagine sat in your mansion being able to afford everything and pretty much owning all your own time and still crying because you want more, it's not fair that you have to pay more there's jammy bastards out there living in a council house the size of your wardrobe who have got it well easy. Someone like Adele writes songs and that elevates her to supreme human being ooh you write and sing songs your like sir isaac Newton or some shit definitely worth giving you millions of pounds because you are far more deserving than other human beings... like that paramedic over there whose getting beat up by that drunk because he arrived too late to save his friend because there's not enough ambulances for the area, he is a fucking nobody he can't sing songs and eat fucking cake all day bet what he pays in tax a week is less than what you spend on butter.

[Major Tom]

Imagine sat in your mansion being able to afford everything and pretty much owning all your own time and still crying because you want more,

 

Everyone always wants more.

[Jairzinho]

Not necessarily for themselves.

[Section_31]

In think there's a level of income after which you can be satisfied. I think if you could pay off most people's mortgage, give them a reasonable car and put some money away for the kids' degrees they'd be happy enough with that. Adelle and her ilk have got no such worries.

[stringvest]

All this talk about James Blunt made me think of his female counterpart, Dido.  Definitely.

[Jairzinho]

All this talk about James Blunt made me think of his female counterpart, Dido.  Definitely.

 

What makes you think Dido Florian Cloud de Bounevialle O'Malley Armstrong hasn't risen from the slums?