Coronavirus

[Strontium]

On 05/02/2021 at 08:17, Rick Sanchez C-137 said:

Why are people copying paragraphs from GSCE biology textbooks in here?

 

I can go get my university biology textbooks from the attic if you fancy some variety.

[Harry's Lad]

1 hour ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Turns out my parent's primary carer experienced symptoms earlier this week and now had a positive test result. Now my younger sister who lives close to my parents is a secondary carer, she's now tested positive with similar symptoms and my ma has symptoms but test result isn't back yet. My pa has multiple sclerosis and COPD with low immune system so he'd be even more at risk. Just have to wait and see how things develop. Cold like symptoms with cough, hopefully it doesn't get any worse.

I hope your family are ok mate.

[Code]

We have 144.000 people living in my city, so far we have zero deaths from covid-19, even if our city have 2,76% of the Norwegian population. 
 

I’ve kept track of the numbers of infected people in the city since Christmas, and this is our development, just five new cases the last week.

 

Once again it seems like we have managed to get it under control and beat it off, pubs opened again on Friday after a month of being closed, even if it was under really controlled circumstances. So much that it killed off most of the joy, but being able to have a few with my mates were more than good enough really. 
 

Just 3 cases of unknown source as well the last 18 days, which is amazing really.

[Bjornebye]

4 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I can go get my university biology textbooks from the attic if you fancy some variety.

I think you got the ones that said "lie, ignore, be a tory, ignore when you are wrong, be wrong, be a narcissist, lie, deflect, grass, lie, chat shit" copies. 

[Strontium]

20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I think you got the ones that said "lie, ignore, be a tory, ignore when you are wrong, be wrong, be a narcissist, lie, deflect, grass, lie, chat shit" copies. 

 

You can post bits from "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" if you want. At least it would be coherent sentences.

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

You can post bits from "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" if you want. At least it would be coherent sentences.

Nice try. Tell me, why do you avoid questions? Its like PMQ's everyday with you on here. Tory. 

 

I'll wait for you to wake up and get yourself a coffee for the hangover/come down. 

[Bjornebye]

As predictable as your lies. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Based on the latest studies on the South Africa variant, the AZ vaccine is only 10% effective at preventing mild or moderate illness. Ouch. 

 

It is likely more effective at preventing serious illness, but that's still a bit of a blow. I think these results show why we won't be back to normal for a while even after more people are vaccinated and that measures will need to be in place to contain the spread of new vaccine resistant variants of the virus. Plus, booster shots will be likely too, once developed. 

[Elite]

9 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Based on the latest studies on the South Africa variant, the AZ vaccine is only 10% effective at preventing mild or moderate illness. Ouch. 

 

It is likely more effective at preventing serious illness, but that's still a bit of a blow. I think these results show why we won't be back to normal for a while even after more people are vaccinated and that measures will need to be in place to contain the spread of new vaccine resistant variants of the virus. Plus, booster shots will be likely too, once developed. 

What do they class as a moderate illness?

[Dr Nowt]

15 minutes ago, Elite said:

What do they class as a moderate illness?

Purely as a layman I'd guess mild is exhibiting low-severity symptoms of fever, runny nose, sore throat, cough etc, standard cold style, while moderate is closer to standard flu-symptoms of all the above at a higher-severity, being totally wiped out, bed-ridden etc but short of requiring hospital treatment or being at risk of more serious illness.

 

TBH, I had the AZ jab, and if studies ultimately show it prevents the need for hospital treatment and risk of serious illness, I'd happily take that. The rest of it is a level of illness risk we all live with and succumb to from time to time anyway with colds and seasonal flu.

 

Obviously only time will tell if that level of protection against serious illness with COVID and particularly it's emerging variants is what is being provided here in the main. 

[Elite]

4 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Purely as a layman I'd guess mild is exhibiting low-severity symptoms of fever, runny nose, sore throat, cough etc, standard cold style, while moderate is closer to standard flu-symptoms of all the above at a higher-severity, being totally wiped out, bed-ridden etc but short of requiring hospital treatment or being at risk of more serious illness.

 

TBH, I had the AZ jab, and if studies ultimately show it prevents the need for hospital treatment and risk of serious illness, I'd happily take that. The rest of it is a level of illness risk we all live with and succumb to from time to time anyway with colds and seasonal flu.

 

Obviously only time will tell if that level of protection against serious illness with COVID and particularly it's emerging variants is what is being provided here in the main. 

The scary part for me personally, was when I had covid it wasn't as bad as the flu and I thought I was fine, then BAM blood clots. If it can protect against the complications aswell that would be of great relief.

[Brownie]

So basically, the risk is that new variants will make the vaccines we currently have, relatively obsolete.

 

There needs to be a global solution to this but instead, as is the world we live in, we have all kinds of different approaches and rules which basically is porn for a virus.

[Spy Bee]

33 minutes ago, Elite said:

What do they class as a moderate illness?

I think it prevented all hospitalisations.

[Sugar Ape]

Just noticed this on Twitter. Striking how much this matches some of the current ‘Lockdown Sceptics’, many of whom have the same political outlook as Neil. 
 

Going against the grain on how it spreads, disputing it’s spreading in areas where it’s undeniably spreading, claims that the tests are invalid etc...

 

 

Quote

 

 

During Neil's time as editor, The Sunday Times backed a campaign to prove that HIV was not a cause of AIDS. In 1990, The Sunday Times serialised a book by an American conservative who rejected the scientific consensus on the causes of AIDS and argued that AIDS could not spread to heterosexuals. Articles and editorials in The Sunday Times cast doubt on the scientific consensus, described HIV as a "politically correct virus" about which there was a "conspiracy of silence," disputed that AIDS was spreading in Africa, claimed that tests for HIV were invalid, described the HIV/AIDS treatment drug azidothymidine (AZT) as harmful, and characterised the World Health Organization (WHO) as an "Empire-building AIDS [organisation]."

 

The pseudoscientific coverage of HIV/AIDS in The Sunday Times led the scientific journal Nature to monitor the newspaper's coverage and to publish letters rebutting The Sunday Times' articles. In response to this, The Sunday Times published an article headlined "AIDS – why we won't be silenced", which claimed that Nature engaged in censorship and "sinister intent". In his 1996 book, Full Disclosure, Neil wrote that the HIV/AIDS denialism "deserved publication to encourage debate." That same year, he wrote that The Sunday Times had been vindicated in its coverage, "The Sunday Times was one of a handful of newspapers, perhaps the most prominent, which argued that heterosexual Aids was a myth. The figures are now in and this newspaper stands totally vindicated... The history of Aids is one of the great scandals of our time. I do not blame doctors and the Aids lobby for warning that everybody might be at risk in the early days, when ignorance was rife and reliable evidence scant." He criticised the "AIDS establishment" and said "Aids had become an industry, a job-creation scheme for the caring classes."

 

[Section_31]

5 minutes ago, Brownie said:

So basically, the risk is that new variants will make the vaccines we currently have, relatively obsolete.

 

There needs to be a global solution to this but instead, as is the world we live in, we have all kinds of different approaches and rules which basically is porn for a virus.

I think they've all shown to be 100% at reducing hospitalisation and death. which is the holy grail at this point. They can be adapted in four to six weeks too. 

 

I think its ability to mutate (the same mutation in independent locations too - curiously) means we'll have to have a global strategy of elimination. No point the West getting vaccinated while some new version is running rife in another country ready to be unleashed again. 

 

You'd think the WHO would be all over this, but seemingly not. They're like FIFA. 

 

[Spy Bee]

Read whole thread

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Just noticed this on Twitter. Striking how much this matches some of the current ‘Lockdown Sceptics’, many of whom have the same political outlook as Neil. 
 

Going against the grain on how it spreads, disputing it’s spreading in areas where it’s undeniably spreading, claims that the tests are invalid etc...

 

 

He's a very clever guy. He knows that decent, sane, caring humanitarians won't read/click his bullshit so he caters to his hordes. He's got bills to pay. 

 

Lockdown sceptics are full of shit. Throw opinions around then when challenged disappear in a huff. Fucking nobheads every single one of them. 

[Section_31]

"Muge Cevik" 

 

You do and you'll clean it up. 

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

He's a very clever guy. He knows that decent, sane, caring humanitarians won't read/click his bullshit so he caters to his hordes. He's got bills to pay. 

 

Lockdown sceptics are full of shit. Throw opinions around then when challenged disappear in a huff. Fucking nobheads every single one of them. 

I see Neil is often interviewed from his home in the South of France. Being on the payroll of the Barclays must be a decent gig, meanwhile John Pilger probably does car boot sales at the weekends. 

 

There's deffo a correlation between how much of a shitbag shill you are and your income when you're a journo. 

 

[Sugar Ape]

18 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Purely as a layman I'd guess mild is exhibiting low-severity symptoms of fever, runny nose, sore throat, cough etc, standard cold style, while moderate is closer to standard flu-symptoms of all the above at a higher-severity, being totally wiped out, bed-ridden etc but short of requiring hospital treatment or being at risk of more serious illness.

 

TBH, I had the AZ jab, and if studies ultimately show it prevents the need for hospital treatment and risk of serious illness, I'd happily take that. The rest of it is a level of illness risk we all live with and succumb to from time to time anyway with colds and seasonal flu.

 

Obviously only time will tell if that level of protection against serious illness with COVID and particularly it's emerging variants is what is being provided here in the main. 

The criteria is here (lots more information in the thread). 
 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Section_31 said:

I see Neil is often interviewed from his home in the South of France. Being on the payroll of the Barclays must be a decent gig, meanwhile John Pilger probably does car boot sales at the weekends. 

 

There's deffo a correlation between how much of a shitbag shill you are and your income when you're a journo. 

 

For sure mate. Shitbag is actually a decent shout. Shitbags who are thick as fuck and cant back anything up with any tangible facts. As culpable for the death toll as the government IMO. 

[Jairzinho]

 

15 minutes ago, Brownie said:

So basically, the risk is that new variants will make the vaccines we currently have, relatively obsolete.

 

I don't think this is true. If the vaccines prevent hospitalisations that's great, no? We then live with Covid 19 just as we live with the flu.

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

1 hour ago, Elite said:

The scary part for me personally, was when I had covid it wasn't as bad as the flu and I thought I was fine, then BAM blood clots. If it can protect against the complications aswell that would be of great relief.

Defo mate. Even where seasonal flu can hospitalise you, it just doesn’t seem such a complicated illness. I was emergency admitted with flu on Christmas Eve in 2017, when that virulent strain from Australia was prevalent and we’d vaccinated everyone against a different one, high numbers of people seriously ill nationally. My oxygen sats were through the floor, coughing up blood, delirious, emergency doctor and hospital team incredibly worried. I was home 4 days later once they’d got fluids, oxygen and medicine into me. Obviously I realise that’s not the case for everyone, but I don’t get the impression anyone needing admitted to hospital with COVID at that level have a short stay as it’s such a shape-shifter of an illness, isn’t it. As you say, if it’s numerous complications and ability to cause serious illness are protected against by the vaccines, that would be the route out of this as such a significant threat. I suspect we’ll likely have at least one more wave via a variant resistant to the current vaccines, so for me it’s about how low we drive figures now to show we’ve learned our lessons and are in a position to act much more quickly to isolate that if/when it happens. 

[Dr Nowt]

5 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

The criteria is here (lots more information in the thread). 
 

 

Nice one mate, cheers.

[3 Stacks]

The threat to the vaccines is probably only severe illness. I imagine they'll change the vaccines periodically if the virus keeps changing a lot, but even vaccines with low efficacy will probably still be fine to give to younger people.