If you're serious about Coutinho then get on with it, we haven't got all month

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I wouldn't be shocked if we'd told Coutinho in the summer he could leave if Barca met our valuation, but they left it too late. Now they want a do-over, but this isn't the window for all that. For anything to happen in January it needs to be fast and with the nod from the selling club that they can get their targets. Barca are likely playing the "It's now or never" card, twisting his tit like they did last summer, convincing him that they can't leave it until after the WC as they'll get dragged into a bidding war and fees will go up again.

 

Bit of a stand off then - Barca tell Coutinho we're being unreasonable; we tell Coutinho Barca aren't stumping up fast enough, meanwhile Coutinho is wheeled around in his wicker bathchair by his agent with a blanket on his lap, coughing into a hankie, pretending to have consumption.

 

At least he isn't staring out of a window at Insua.

[Guest]

It really wasn't.

I was thinking about how certain you seemed that he wouldn't leave over the last window (proved true) and also seemed pretty certain that he wouldn't leave in January. 

 

Personally I think it's the scumbag agent who is orchestrating the whole thing and everyone else is just getting sucked into it.

[INTORRESTING]

Coutinho has the last say regardless. If the club had told him to say he had an inury that would have been leaked everywhere.

 

If he isnt gone by city and doesnt play then it all points to downing tools twice , who else has ever treated us like that?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

We should tell Barcelona that we are sending our player over for talks, then stick Sturridge and his zimmer frame on a plane. 

[dockers_strike]

Sums up my thoughts. I think this why do Barcelona want him now when they are winning their league is a bit weak argument really. You always strengthen a side when it is a winning one not when it is losing. Buying when you are strolling to your title gives your fans a boost and this I think is one of the main reasons Barcelona want Coutinho now rather than the summer. We all know internal politics plays a huge part in Spanish clubs especially the big two. I do not know if there are club elections coming up but even if they are not the current man holding the cards knows making a signing like Coutinho is a big statement and will make sure he gets a load of votes. As for Coutniho great player but shit of a professional. He knows where he is and he knows what he signed up to just over a year ago. If the club was going nowhere I could understand why he would act like a shit to force his move. But this club rescued his career when he was going nowhere at Inter. I know the idea of loyalty in football dies a long time ago but Coutinho should remember Barcelona will spit him out in a second if it suits the club or whoever is president there at the time.

 

I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do, look at alternative? No it is clear Klopp wants to stop 2nd choices and stick with his 1st. If Liverpool cannot make those two deals happen this window it is not the clubs fault. We as fans need to drop the 'anyone' mentality over players we sign and back the manager in his vision of 1st choice only.

[The Golden Eel]

Sums up my thoughts. I think this why do Barcelona want him now when they are winning their league is a bit weak argument really. You always strengthen a side when it is a winning one not when it is losing. Buying when you are strolling to your title gives your fans a boost and this I think is one of the main reasons Barcelona want Coutinho now rather than the summer. We all know internal politics plays a huge part in Spanish clubs especially the big two. I do not know if there are club elections coming up but even if they are not the current man holding the cards knows making a signing like Coutinho is a big statement and will make sure he gets a load of votes. As for Coutniho great player but shit of a professional. He knows where he is and he knows what he signed up to just over a year ago. If the club was going nowhere I could understand why he would act like a shit to force his move. But this club rescued his career when he was going nowhere at Inter. I know the idea of loyalty in football dies a long time ago but Coutinho should remember Barcelona will spit him out in a second if it suits the club or whoever is president there at the time.

 

I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do, look at alternative? No it is clear Klopp wants to stop 2nd choices and stick with his 1st. If Liverpool cannot make those two deals happen this window it is not the clubs fault. We as fans need to drop the 'anyone' mentality over players we sign and back the manager in his vision of 1st choice only.

 

Hmmmmm, maybe not sell him in January in the first place then the same way those other 2 clubs are doing?

[Ipplfc]

Good article that.

I think we should tell them the price is £150 million,if you don’t want to do business we will offer him to Real Madrid for £100 mill.

[dockers_strike]

Hmmmmm, maybe not sell him in January in the first place then the same way those other 2 clubs are doing?

 

Well you only have to look at van Dijk and to a lesser extent Keita to see how that works. If Barcelona was to come up with £150m cash no adds ons I will drive Coutinho to John Lennon this evening.

[Red House]

I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in. Leipzig are saying Keita cannot come now and we have to wait to the summer. Monaco are saying similar with Lemar. What is the club to do? 

 

How about doing just what Leipzig or Monaco is doing?

 

Either sell now and get a replacement in. If we can't get who we want now, then just agree a deal now for him to move in the summer. Selling now and not getting a replacement should not be an option. Phil cannot afford to go on strike for four months ahead of a world cup. So, of course FSG and the club can, and should be criticised, if we sell and do not sign a replacement.

[Scooby Dudek]

Well you only have to look at van Dijk and to a lesser extent Keita to see how that works. If Barcelona was to come up with £150m cash no adds ons I will drive Coutinho to John Lennon this evening.

With Keita, we got our man but had to wait a year. With van Dijk, we got our man, before the window opened by paying over the odds. 

So either pay and wait until summer or pay early and over the odds. Barcelona are willing to do neither, so the club should tell them to fuck off.

[The Guest]

Am I missing something here with regards to his current contract? I keep seeing people say he’s got 3 and half years left but then looking at the reports when he signed the contract it says he’s tied up until 2022.

 

I think the club do hold all the cards with this bit only for a finite amount of time. I think the only genuine thing they may be worried about is it would be uncharted territory if after the window closes or beyond the World Cup if they still refuse to sell and Coutinho refuses to play. You can fine him wages but essentially you won’t have a player and you won’t have the money from their sale to replace them whilst they aren’t playing. There is also the possibility of legal action with regards to them not playing games for the club and being released which means the club could lose out massively. No player or club have ever pushed things that far before.

[dockers_strike]

How about doing just what Leipzig or Monaco is doing?

 

Either sell now and get a replacement in. If we can't get who we want now, then just agree a deal now for him to move in the summer. Selling now and not getting a replacement should not be an option. Phil cannot afford to go on strike for four months ahead of a world cup. So, of course FSG and the club can, and should be criticised, if we sell and do not sign a replacement.

 

Selling is the easy part. Getting a quality replacement in is not. Leipzig are holding on to Keita but his form has plummeted. Monaco are saying Lemar is going nowhere this window. You are falling into the buy anyone nonsense on here when Klopp did not sign any other center back when the van Dijk summer transfer fell through.

[Red House]

Selling is the easy part. Getting a quality replacement in is not. Leipzig are holding on to Keita but his form has plummeted. Monaco are saying Lemar is going nowhere this window. You are falling into the buy anyone nonsense on here when Klopp did not sign any other center back when the van Dijk summer transfer fell through.

 

Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

[stringvest]

Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

 

 

I guess it doesn't matter too much to FSG when he goes.  However, if Klopp thinks the situation is untenable, he may push for him to be fucked off immediately.

[M_B]

I was thinking about how certain you seemed that he wouldn't leave over the last window (proved true) and also seemed pretty certain that he wouldn't leave in January. 

 

Personally I think it's the scumbag agent who is orchestrating the whole thing and everyone else is just getting sucked into it.

 

 

His agent is doing what he was hired to do. It's Coutinho who should be blamed. He signed a 5 year contract and then a few months later sacked his agent and hired a new one to get him out of it.

 

In the summer Henry wasn't going to sell him for any price.

 

Now? I still think Henry is loathe to sell unless Barcelona make a bid to blow our socks off. I could be wrong.

[dockers_strike]

Try reading again. No one is falling into the buy anyone nonsense here. Clearly said if we don't think we can get a quality replacement in this month, then just agree a deal and sell him in the summer. Not particularly sure what's difficult to understand here.

 

Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

[Scooby Dudek]

Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

With the greatest respect. I believe you need to read it again.

 

People are saying, if we can not get our 1st choice targets, then we wait. We wait for our target and we wait to sell Countinho as well, both things happen at the same time.

The worst thing to do, is wait for our 1st choice target until the summer and sell Countinho now. 

[Red House]

Thanks but I do not need to try reading anything again. I do not understand why some people on this forum are so condescending to others opinions. I am making the point our 1st choice targets are Lemar and Keita maybe Goretska. We sell Countinho for £150m. How do we get Keita and one of Lemar or Goretska brought in this window when their clubs are saying no deals until the summer. You might say offer them a lot of more money. Funny I have seen some of our fans saying we should not have paid £75m for van Dijk one of Klopps 1st choices.

 

Fuck it, I give up.

[dockers_strike]

With the greatest respect. I believe you need to read it again.

 

People are saying, if we can not get our 1st choice targets, then we wait. We wait for our target and we wait to sell Countinho as well, both things happen at the same time.

The worst thing to do, is wait for our 1st choice target until the summer and sell Countinho now. 

 

Yes and I said "I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in." I know a lot of people here do not like FSG but surely the majority of people think they would try and bring replacements in. That said in one of my other posts Coutinho is a great player but a shit pro. He knew what he signed up for 12 to 18 months ago but like all players he acts petulently when it suits.

[G Richards]

We should not let the player go in January unless we bring in the replacement/s Klopp wants in January. We are having a decent season. Anything can happen in the CL, and it seems anywhere from 2nd to 6th is up for grabs in the Prem. With Coutinho I would suggest we finish higher in the range. Without, and without suitable replacement/s who are up to speed ASAP, then finishing top four could even be in jeopardy.

 

Imagine letting Coutinho go in January, for whatever sum of money is agreed. But then imagine not having the replacement/s signed, and then we stutter in the league as losing Coutinho puts us on a downer for a bit. We regroup, but crucially finish outside the top four.

 

How will that help our prospects moving forward?

 

The more I’m thinking about it the more I’m convinced the correct course is no move in January, even if they meet our price. Just say no. At best (for Barcelona) I’d agree a deal now to be triggered in summer.

 

Our season is paramount, and the good of LFC is paramount. Finish top four, again, secure Lemar for summer (or whoever), agree to let Coutinho go in summer, and then give it our all to win a trophy. Everyone knows where they stand and we can all get on with it.

[The Golden Eel]

Yes and I said "I do not think Liverpool and FSG can be criticised if they do sell for the right price but then cannot bring a replacement in." I know a lot of people here do not like FSG but surely the majority of people think they would try and bring replacements in. That said in one of my other posts Coutinho is a great player but a shit pro. He knew what he signed up for 12 to 18 months ago but like all players he acts petulently when it suits.

 

They (and/or Klopp if it's his decision) can be criticised though, that's the point, because we shouldn't sell him in the first place, especially if we can't get a replacement in. 

[Hades]

This doesn't look good for FSG. Leaving it up to Klopp is code for "we spent money on Van Dijk and now want it back."

[Ranxerox]

Don't see this ending well for us.

[Evil_Ways]

This doesn't look good for FSG. Leaving it up to Klopp is code for "we spent money on Van Dijk and now want it back."

It should be up to Klopp. But as far as selling our best players go i think they have done a decebt job of getting the club paid. Torres, Suarez and Sterling. Problem has been getting in proper replacements. Though i trust Klopp with that a hell of a lot more than Rodgers and whatever committee might be involved. As far as attacking players go the ones Klopp has brought in has been superb for us.

[stringvest]

It should be up to Klopp. But as far as selling our best players go i think they have done a decebt job of getting the club paid. Torres, Suarez and Sterling. Problem has been getting in proper replacements. Though i trust Klopp with that a hell of a lot more than Rodgers and whatever committee might be involved. As far as attacking players go the ones Klopp has brought in has been superb for us.

 

Sterling can fuck off.  We've got Mane and Salah.  Torres was a weeping sulking child and when he went, the wind changed and his face stuck like that.  Suarez was managed out expertly.  We've made some bad moves in the transfer market, but lately they've been good.