Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

maybe baddiel was gonna ask johnson about his book?

 

I'm sure he had a miserable time being as it was the night after a Tory 80 seat election win.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just to be clear, attending a party with somebody makes you and that person alike - in this case, a Tory - but meeting people with links to Hamas and calling them your friends is totally legitimate and anybody who questions it is a Tory shill?

 

Also, questioning the integrity of a media source is ‘shooting the messenger’ but ignoring the argument made by somebody whilst posting a picture of them in the street about to attend a party is… not. 
 

The more you know.

[Arniepie]

6 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Just to be clear, attending a party with somebody makes you and that person alike - in this case, a Tory - but meeting people with links to Hamas and calling them your friends is totally legitimate and anybody who questions it is a Tory shill?

 

Also, questioning the integrity of a media source is ‘shooting the messenger’ but ignoring the argument made by somebody whilst posting a picture of them in the street about to attend a party is… not. 
 

The more you know.

personally I find it a bit strange why a well known left activist would be invited,let alone attend this ?

 

Johnson visit to Lebedev party after victory odd move for 'people's PM' | Boris Johnson | The Guardian 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

personally I find it a bit strange why a well known left activist would be invited,let alone attend this ?

 

Johnson visit to Lebedev party after victory odd move for 'people's PM' | Boris Johnson | The Guardian 

 

Do you really find it strange that a celebrity would be invited to a celebrity shindig? Really?

[Numero Veinticinco]

28 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

personally I find it a bit strange why a well known left activist would be invited,let alone attend this ?

 

Johnson visit to Lebedev party after victory odd move for 'people's PM' | Boris Johnson | The Guardian 

I mean, I just don’t care about what parties celebs go to. Especially that one, I find him unfunny with a dodgy past. That said, he can go to whatever parties he wants without actually agreeing with anything the host or attendees believe. 
 

The point I was making is Gnasher is a hypocrite. The same standards and logic - such as it is - isn’t applied universally. It’s all tribal nonsense. 

[Gnasher]

49 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

nothing too see here  

 

Nothing at all. Media celeb and political commentator who helped fuel the narrative that the leader of the Labour Party lead a party ravaged by anti semitism then attends a champagne ball ram packed with Tory bigwigs and Conservative financial backers the night after the Tories achieve a comprehensive election victory. 

 

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to work out the tainting of the then Labour leader was all just a ruse to derail the Labour election campaign and help the Conservative party win the 2019 general election. 

 

Love you Britain.

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I mean, I just don’t care about what parties celebs go to. Especially that one, I find him unfunny with a dodgy past. That said, he can go to whatever parties he wants without actually agreeing with anything the host or attendees believe. 
 

The point I was making is Gnasher is a hypocrite. The same standards and logic - such as it is - isn’t applied universally. It’s all tribal nonsense. 

 

Burp.

[Gnasher]

Scenes from the chill out room at the Lebedev party. The Russians drunk so much vodka he probably thinks that bear is a big friendly dog.

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

38 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I mean, I just don’t care about what parties celebs go to. Especially that one, I find him unfunny with a dodgy past. That said, he can go to whatever parties he wants without actually agreeing with anything the host or attendees believe. 
 

The point I was making is Gnasher is a hypocrite. The same standards and logic - such as it is - isn’t applied universally. It’s all tribal nonsense. 

I dont particually

i do think Gnasher has a point here but im not a particular fan of the smug unfunny twat anyway.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

I dont particually

i do think Gnasher has a point here but im not a particular fan of the smug unfunny twat anyway.

 

Harsh on Gnasher 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I dont particually

i do think Gnasher has a point here but im not a particular fan of the smug unfunny twat anyway.

Fair enough. What is the point? If it’s that he’s a twat for going to a party for twats, that’s fine and I agree. If it’s that he’s a Tory for going to a party with some Tories, I disagree but can live with it. If it’s that his issues with Corbyn aren't credible because of a party, that’s silly. If it’s some conspiracy where they all met up at Corbyn’s party to discuss sticking it to Corbyn, it’s ridiculous because of the time frame, what had come before and the fact that phones exist. 

[Arniepie]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Fair enough. What is the point? If it’s that he’s a twat for going to a party for twats, that’s fine and I agree. If it’s that he’s a Tory for going to a party with some Tories, I disagree but can live with it. If it’s that his issues with Corbyn aren't credible because of a party, that’s silly. If it’s some conspiracy where they all met up at Corbyn’s party to discuss sticking it to Corbyn, it’s ridiculous because of the time frame, what had come before and the fact that phones exist. 

I dont think its a conspiracy,I do think its shows up what a 2 faced cunt he is.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I dont think its a conspiracy,I do think its shows up what a 2 faced cunt he is.

 

Yeah, I’ve no issue with that. That’s clearly not Gnasher’s point though. He did, after all, post it in the Corbyn thread, alongside a video criticising Corbyn, with Baddiel in it. The response I gave was to illustrate that Gnasher constantly talks about shooting the messenger, and instead of debate the merits of what was said in the video. 

[Strontium]

I have more of a problem with Gnasher's outright dishonesty than his hypocrisy. To categorise a Christmas party to which Jeremy Corbyn had been invited as a Boris Johnson victory party is to propagate a level of untruth that is toe-curling.

[Gnasher]

41 minutes ago, Strontium said:

I have more of a problem with Gnasher's outright dishonesty than his hypocrisy. To categorise a Christmas party to which Jeremy Corbyn had been invited as a Boris Johnson victory party is to propagate a level of untruth that is toe-curling.

 

I've invited Kate Moss to all my eh Christmas party's. I can't work out why she hasn't turned up for one. 

 

These Russians are not devious enough to use the invite as a bit of thinly veiled camouflage are they? snigger. Day after the election another coincidence. All attended by them victorious Tories. Hmm.

 

The stars definitely aligned for the super rich tory backers and bummers that night.  Couldn't have planned it better.

 

Fucking state of the cunts.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Strontium said:

I have more of a problem with Gnasher's outright dishonesty than his hypocrisy. To categorise a Christmas party to which Jeremy Corbyn had been invited as a Boris Johnson victory party is to propagate a level of untruth that is toe-curling.

That’s par for the course with Gnasher, in my experience. To be fair, I doubt he came up with it himself. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Not much wrong from Ed Balls there, to be honest. 

There was plenty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn. (Luciana Berger wrote a piece about it - in the Mail, I think - when she was an NUS officer, best known for her relationship with Ewan Blair.). Jeremy Corbyn is still a member of the Labour Party (I think).  YouGov polling shows that anti-Semitic opinions among Labour members became less prevalent on Corbyn's watch.

 

It's hard to find much right with what he said.

[Numero Veinticinco]

18 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There was plenty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn. (Luciana Berger wrote a piece about it - in the Mail, I think - when she was an NUS officer, best known for her relationship with Ewan Blair.).

Well, it wasn’t Balls that said there wasn’t, it was the question, so it’s hard for him to be wrong about that. Balls said there had been antisemitism in the left for 100 years. Balls stated that the party and membership changed substantially in the years since 2015 and was still in special measures. That’s all correct.

 

18 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Jeremy Corbyn is still a member of the Labour Party (I think).

He clearly means a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party. I’ve no doubt the direct debit for his subs is still rolling. 
 

18 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

YouGov polling shows that anti-Semitic opinions among Labour members became less prevalent on Corbyn's watch.

If certainly be interested in seeing information about this. Especially the attitudes of members before Corbyn joined vs after and any analysis of why people stopped being openly antisemitic in interviews when it became a public problem. That said, it doesn’t really have much to do with ol’ Ballsy. He might not have replied in the way you wanted but he certainly didn’t say things untrue. I can’t speak for the rest of the interview of course. 

[Arniepie]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DickMackintosh/status/1625146197483585536

 

[Arniepie]

6 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There was plenty of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party before Corbyn. (Luciana Berger wrote a piece about it - in the Mail, I think - when she was an NUS officer, best known for her relationship with Ewan Blair.). Jeremy Corbyn is still a member of the Labour Party (I think).  YouGov polling shows that anti-Semitic opinions among Labour members became less prevalent on Corbyn's watch.

 

It's hard to find much right with what he said.

2015 -2019 was a dark dismal period for Labour apparently. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Ed Balls the man who has no regrets about dressing up in a Nazi uniform when in Uni. 
 

Baddiel, been done to death.

 

Neil, published and article in The Spectator that praised Wehrmacht.

 

I think you’ll understand if I disregard their bollocks. 
 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Ed Balls the man who has no regrets about dressing up in a Nazi uniform when in Uni. 
 

Baddiel, been done to death.

 

Neil, published and article in The Spectator that praised Wehrmacht.

 

I think you’ll understand if I disregard their bollocks. 
 

 

But where do you we draw the line with that standard? The logic of [did a thing] therefore [argument is wrong or ignored] will leave us with just about no credible opinions. Hell, the things I’ve done in life mean I should instantly be ruled out of an opinion if that was the case. Some on here try to dismiss Starmer’s credibility because he once kissed a Tory. Surely we’d all be doomed?
 

Ed Balls isn’t wrong on something he says in 2023 because he dressed up in a Nazi jacket and cap when he was a kid in the 1980s. He might be wrong based off of what he actually said, but not because of former actions. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, ignoring what people say because your previous experiences with them is a personal choice, but it doesn’t mean what they say is necessarily bollocks. Just my two pennies, anyway. 

[Arniepie]

41 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

But where do you we draw the line with that standard? The logic of [did a thing] therefore [argument is wrong or ignored] will leave us with just about no credible opinions. Hell, the things I’ve done in life mean I should instantly be ruled out of an opinion if that was the case. Some on here try to dismiss Starmer’s credibility because he once kissed a Tory. Surely we’d all be doomed?
 

Ed Balls isn’t wrong on something he says in 2023 because he dressed up in a Nazi jacket and cap when he was a kid in the 1980s. He might be wrong based off of what he actually said, but not because of former actions. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, ignoring what people say because your previous experiences with them is a personal choice, but it doesn’t mean what they say is necessarily bollocks. Just my two pennies, anyway. 

If we are talking about shameful periods in labours history, I'd argue leaving 100,000s of innocent people dead in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly wouldn't be a highlight.

[Arniepie]

Baddiel seems to be arguing trust anti semitism is the lefts equivalent of Tory Islamaphobia say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the most horrendous examples of anti semitism was carried out by that well known Marxist,Adolf Hitler

I'm not saying it doesn't exist on the left,but to ignore right wing anti semitism is  extremely disingenuous 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

If we are talking about shameful periods in labours history, I'd argue leaving 100,000s of innocent people dead in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly wouldn't be a highlight.

Indeed that’s shameful, though 1) we shouldn’t be putting that all on Labour as it goes far beyond, and 2) we can talk about more than one thing at once. To bring up the Iraq war in a conversation about antisemitism, live on TV, might have been seen to be, erm, well, it’s ill advised.