Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

It annoys me a little bit that ‘centrist’ is becoming a pejorative term thrown around by some on the left. It’s a step towards a more extreme type of discourse and beliefs that won’t win a damned thing. 

[Rico1304]

They dropped it now.  Damage has been done. 

[aRdja]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/21/tom-watson-plan-to-remove-me-as-deputy-leader-is-drive-by-shooting?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Labour’s national executive committee will not vote on whether to abolish Tom Watson’s post of deputy leader but will instead carry out a review of the role, following an intervention by Jeremy Corbyn.

 

He’s too decent a man for his own good Jez. 

[Jenson]

I agree it's not the best look especially with the way every media outlet will jump on it, but Watson, Streeting, Phillips et al can all get to fuck as far as I'm concerned.

It's one thing having different ideas or beliefs but it's completely different using your position to continuously undermine what the Labour Party are trying to achieve. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

They dropped it now.  Damage has been done. 

What damage? 

 

[aRdja]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It annoys me a little bit that ‘centrist’ is becoming a pejorative term thrown around by some on the left. It’s a step towards a more extreme type of discourse and beliefs that won’t win a damned thing. 

What else do you call pro-LGBT rights politicians who don’t want to pay tax?

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

They dropped it now.  Damage has been done. 

What damage? 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

What else do you call pro-LGBT rights politicians who don’t want to pay tax?

Normal? 

 

More seriously, I don’t have somebody who is a centrist being described as a centrist. I have an issue with it being a pejorative, as if being a centrist is some disgusting extreme position like neo-nazi, or hardline gulag loving Commies. 

[aRdja]

A bit disappointed by Corbyn actually.  He should’ve just been more ruthless here.

[Barrington Womble]

52 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

Of course it's about who is in the role, but it's bullshit to pretend this is a purge because he "doesn’t support Corbyn" or that "we don’t like democracy".

 

There are plenty of non-Corbynite MPs who could have filled this role and NOT spent 4 years working against the party.  Seriously  - try to remember five good things that Watson has done that helps the working class, helps Labour and/or hurts the Tories. 

 

As for "democracy" the current party power structures deny the members a vote. It's obvious that if Watson were to submit to a democratic vote, he would be deservedly trounced.  The members want - and the country needs - a Labour leadership team that works together to get the party elected. Watson has proved time and again that he's more of a drain on the party than any use. We should have lanced this boil ages ago.

Watson was elected. So you can't claim he's there undemocratically any more than Corbyn. Removing his position is deeply undemocratic. 

 

I don't like how Watson has conducted himself, he's part of the problem and I did day in my original post I think they're as bad as each other. But I do believe the people around Corbyn are 0artnof the problem too. Momentum can be a group for good, but like the erg for the Tories, they expect everyone to fall in line with them or fuck off. It's completely brainless. 

 

As for what Watson has done for the working classes. Well about the same as Corbyn. Fuck all, because labour isn't in government and won't be in government while they keep having these public spats. It's like labour is determined we stay under Tory rule. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

A bit disappointed by Corbyn actually.  He should’ve just been more ruthless here.

Disagree, mate. I know it seems like I'm doing it on purpose this morning, but honestly it's the right move. There are many more important things going on than having to worry about in-fighting. Whoever's bright idea it was to do it now deserves a kick up the arse, surely. Whether or not Watson is a good guy fighting for the moderate part of the party or a cunt is actually besides the point at the moment because other things are happening that are so important that unity is just about the most powerful weapon they could have. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

As for what Watson has done for the working classes. Well about the same as Corbyn. Fuck all, because labour isn't in government and won't be in government while they keep having these public spats. It's like labour is determined we stay under Tory rule. 

Yeah, and it's not just them; the left in general seems much more interested in having their perfect vision of a left-wing utopia put forward - even at the cost of losing - than getting rid of a Tory nightmare and having something much closer. The right are just better - much better - at politics than the left. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

 

Where's Corbyn? There's a huge chasm right where there should be some leadership. Absolutely scandalous.

This aged well.

[aRdja]

8 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, and it's not just them; the left in general seems much more interested in having their perfect vision of a left-wing utopia put forward - even at the cost of losing - than getting rid of a Tory nightmare and having something much closer. The right are just better - much better - at politics than the left. 

Or just a moderately wing future for the country. I don’t think there’s anyone on the left who thinks that Corbyn is going to deliver the Communist Manifesto. Most of the ideas championed or supported by Corbyn and McDonnell are centre-left.

[skend04]

8 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

This aged well.

So you let your mate run round like a lunatic for a week and then shit yourself when the headlines and backlash are at a peak. Yeah, I'm wrong, it's great leadership. 

[aRdja]

Quelle surprise from the most insufferable wanker on that website.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Or just a moderately wing future for the country. I don’t think there’s anyone on the left who thinks that Corbyn is going to deliver the Communist Manifesto. Most of the ideas championed or supported by Corbyn and McDonnell are centre-left.

I'm not talking about Corbyn or McDonnell, who are both more accurately described as left-wing. I'm saying the left, as an entirety, can't get their act together and want their own version of perfection. Most of us aren't interested in good, they want great, even if it ends on shite. We pull ourselves apart over it and have been doing it for decades. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

4 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Quelle surprise from the most insufferable wanker on that website.

 

 

Sounds spot on to me. At least in terms of priority. Not sure if it was launched by Corbyn or not. I guess that is yet to be seen. 

[cloggypop]

They've got more chance of getting on with the rest of it with a greater degree of unity if that deflated balloon shuts the fuck up. 

[Dr Nowt]

14 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Quelle surprise from the most insufferable wanker on that website.

 

 

He’s right. It’s fucking painful to hear people forever talking about the left-hostile media (obviously there is one, obviously) then not wince at giving them these endless own goals.

 

As if this plan they cooked up would do anything other than amplify Watson’s cuntery, and allow that very media to paint him as sensible Labour-in-absentia with a string of ‘FAR LEFT PURGE’ headlines in the coming weeks. Handing Johnson and co their biggest out from shitting down their own leg again every time he gives another interview.

 

It’s like going out in a monsoon in flip-flops and complaining about your feet getting wet.

[Bjornebye]

16 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Quelle surprise from the most insufferable wanker on that website.

 

 

Why was this negged?! 

[Strontium]

ARdja going round issuing mindless attack after mindless attack on centrists, even when they are clearly and unambiguously correct, is almost as tedious as the public demands that I justify each and every neg I give.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

ARdja going round issuing mindless attack after mindless attack on centrists, even when they are clearly and unambiguously correct, is almost as tedious as the public demands that I justify each and every neg I give.

No just me seeing as you said you never neg without saying why. 

 

I notice you have steered clear of the Lib Dem thread lately. I will accept that as your admission that its a party of shite and hypocrites. 

[Strontium]

You should accept it as evidence that my life is too short to deal with rampant trolling. Although Nazi Swinson raised a few laughs on the serious politics forums.

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

You should accept it as evidence that my life is too short to deal with rampant trolling. Although Nazi Swinson raised a few laughs on the serious politics forums.

How is it rampant trolling SD? I am posting Lib Dem stuff on the Lib Dem thread in a 10 days where politics and in particular Swinson have been at the front of the headlines. Rampant trolling? Do get over yourself.

 

You are always posting on there but as soon as it doesn't suit you... you act like you are being trolled. Hypocrisy no wonder you are a Lib-Dem. You fit each other like a glove. 

 

Ive already accepted it as what i stated and I am sticking to that.