Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Mook]

Anyone got any suggestions of what the Labour leader should have done?

He's fucked either way so he should've made the decision to oppose the tories on leaving the EU.

 

I actually hate Labour more than the tories now, at least you know you'te getting a shower of evil cunts with the tories, Labour are just a spineless fucking mess.

 

The fight started a over year ago, it's over now and we'll spend the next 10 to 20 years picking over the carcass while the tories run amok.

[Gooch]

Replace Miliband with Corbyn, and Austerity with Brexit, and you have the same half arsed approach to the defining policy of our time that will lead to another nail in the Labour coffin.

 

Incredible ineptitude really, even if/when Brexit goes tits up, how are Labour going to be in any position to capitalise given the line they have taken.

[Paulie Dangerously]

He's been a disaster unfortunately.  I think his personality just wasn't strong enough to fight off the ludicrous press attacks when he initially took over and he hasn't been visible enough during big issues. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Glad you agree with what I said then - excellent. Haters always gon hate.

 

I clearly don't, it is however easy to understand why you like Trump. 

[Naz17]

I clearly don't, it is however easy to understand why you like Trump. 

 

Given that I itemised my points both for and against Trump in clear English, I would be more concerned if you didn't understand why I like him. I also assume you must therefore also understand why I don't like him. I'm happy you can read :-)

[VladimirIlyich]

He's been a disaster unfortunately. I think his personality just wasn't strong enough to fight off the ludicrous press attacks when he initially took over and he hasn't been visible enough during big issues.

Hes only been a disaster because hes in charge of a shower of cunts and even the things he does well are never reported. I still want him there until somebody of his ilk(never Dianne Abbot,his biggest mistake!) is willing to take over. If only the Tories in the party would fuck off.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Lacking leadership qualities.

 

Lost all Labour amendments and still wanted to allow May to enact Article 50.

 

Some of his "policies" (I don't even know if they are policies or random musings) are shit.

 

Bad at communication.

They are that shit that a majority of people actually want them.

 

Until the Tories and UKIP'ers find out it's his policies.

[Naz17]

They are that shit that a majority of people actually want them.

 

Until the Tories and UKIP'ers find out it's his policies.

 

Look, people in the real world aren't as polarised as many in this forum are. They appreciate that each party has things they like and things they don't like - that's the nature of human beings. Corbyn arguably has some policies which the majority may favour. But after weighing up everything, it isn't going to be sufficient for enough people to vote for him. Unless things really mess up, and I mean really bad, Corbyn just doesn't have the support to win a GE.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I see that Dianne Abbot has been receiving vast amounts of racial abuse across social media, by email and post etc.

 

Including from the deputy chairman of a local Conservative association.

 

Will we get accusations of the Conservative party being unable to control racism, that Theresa May condones racism from party members and calls for an internal ivestigation and a detailed report?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Look, people in the real world aren't as polarised as many in this forum are. They appreciate that each party has things they like and things they don't like - that's the nature of human beings. Corbyn arguably has some policies which the majority may favour. But after weighing up everything, it isn't going to be sufficient for enough people to vote for him. Unless things really mess up, and I mean really bad, Corbyn just doesn't have the support to win a GE.

Do you even understand UK politics?

 

Loads of people will vote for Corbyn. That's why he'll comfortably hold his Islington North seat, probably with similar to the last 20,000 plus majority he secured.

[Naz17]

Do you even understand UK politics?

 

Loads of people will vote for Corbyn. That's why he'll comfortably hold his Islington North seat, probably with similar to the last 20,000 plus majority he secured.

 

 

Ok non-sequitur-Torres.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Ok non-sequitur-Torres.

Cunt17

[Naz17]

Cunt17

 

Dickcheesegrater-Torres.

[Fugitive]

Naz the nonce... you wouldn't want him babysitting your kids!!!

[Tony Moanero]

Naz17 wears the waistband of his kecks under his armpits.

[rubble-rouser]

He's fucked either way so he should've made the decision to oppose the tories on leaving the EU.

 

I actually hate Labour more than the tories now, at least you know you'te getting a shower of evil cunts with the tories, Labour are just a spineless fucking mess.

 

The fight started a over year ago, it's over now and we'll spend the next 10 to 20 years picking over the carcass while the tories run amok.

 

Exactly

 

If the Labour leadership had put up a proper fight 10-12 months ago there would be no Art 50 vote to oppose.  

[magicrat]

Exactly

 

If the Labour leadership had put up a proper fight 10-12 months ago there would be no Art 50 vote to oppose.  

 

But there would be no 350 mill per week for the NHS 

[Barrington Womble]

Exactly

 

If the Labour leadership had put up a proper fight 10-12 months ago there would be no Art 50 vote to oppose.

That is the biggest crime of all. Although the same can be levelled at those tits Cameron and Osborne. As much as I don't rate corbyn as a leader, the complacency of the majority of the UK political class was astounding. Even the tits who wanted brexit were so complacent about their defeat they hadn't even drawn up a plan. And we'll struggle for generations to recover

[VladimirIlyich]

Naz17 wears the waistband of his kecks under his armpits.

And wears Jesus Sandals with tartan socks,with holes in them.

[ZonkoVille77]

Naz17 is still upset about the Rolf Harris verdict

[Jairzinho]

Naz17 is still upset about the Rolf Harris verdict

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Exactly

 

If the Labour leadership had put up a proper fight 10-12 months ago there would be no Art 50 vote to oppose.  

If I remember rightly from last summer's leadership challenge, when Corbyn was accused of fighting a half-hearted Remain campaign, someone compared the number of campaign events he'd attended and media appearances he'd made with those made by the twats who were accusing him - needless to say, Corbyn had done a boatload more than his accusers. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

A simple point that's always worth bearing in mind.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/think-jeremy-corbyn-is-a-loser-oh-dear-youve-been-brainwashed/18/08/

 

If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

 

We all agree that newspapers play a crucial role in British democracy, but what is troubling is that the majority of the UK press is owned by a handful of right-wing billionaires, most of whom don’t live here. In fact, almost 80 per cent of our press is owned by a handful of mostly foreign-based billionaires.

 

They’ve already told you what to think on a multitude of issues. You think you made up your own mind, and you think you’re right. But, you didn’t, and you aren’t.

 

How do I know this? Because blind policy based voting results (whereby voters tick the policies they agree with, without knowing which party they were voting for overall) are always radically different to the actual vote result when it comes to general elections and other major political votes.

 

Had all votes been cast on policy pledges alone, studies suggest the Green Party and Liberal Democrats would have both had a turn at power by now.

 

What this means is that people generally have some sense when presented with policy pledges, yet vote in a completely opposite direction. Why? Because these chaps’ media outlets are bombarding your brain with high level right-wing propaganda:

1. Lord Rothermere, a billionaire living in France, owns the Mail, Mail on Sunday, and the Metro.
2. Rupert Murdoch, a billionaire living in Australia, owns the Sun, Sun on Sunday and is the man behind Fox News, BSkyB, News Corp, etc, etc.
3. Alexander and Evgeny (son) Lebedev, an Ex KGB Russian Billionaire, owns The Independent, Independent on Sunday, The Evening Standard.
4. Richard Desmond, a billionaire, owns the Daily Star, Sunday Star, Daily Express, Sunday Express.
5. David and Frederick Barclay, billionaire brothers living on a private island near Saark, own the Telegraph, The Spectator, and the Business.

The Sun, for example, claim to have backed the winner of each general election since the notorious Sun headline, ‘It’s The Sun Wot Won It’ referring to the 1992 John Major Tory victory.

 

The tabloid had led an increasingly personal campaign against the then Labour leader Neil Kinnock, culminating in the famous election day headline: “If Kinnock wins today will the last person to leave Britain please turn out the lights.”

 

The same campaign is running against Jeremy Corbyn right here, right now.

 

Think Corbyn is an unelectable loser? Apart from what you’ve read in your daily newspaper, how much do you really know about him?

 

Corbyn is a phenomenally hard working MP who passionately fights to protect the poor and vulnerable, seeks to protect the NHS, wants to nationalise natural monopolies and take back publicly financed utilities that were sold off to investors at a pittance, aims to stem the flow of capital from the poor to the rich, and campaigns tirelessly to seek diplomacy over war. Perhaps most threatening of all to the overseas billionaires is that Corbyn wants to stop corporate tax breaks, close down overseas tax avoidance, and stamp out wage inequality. This makes him hugely unpopular with the wealthy elite.

 

OK, maybe you do know a bit about Corbyn, but still dismiss his credentials out of hand. Sadly, it may be too late for you. The handful of right-wing media moguls running the bulk of the UK press have planted a seed, the roots of which have now grown deep within your subconscious, telling you that Corbyn is ridiculous, just like Kinnock was.

 

Of course Corbyn isn’t perfect, he does have a controversial past relating to some issues, but our national newspapers are full of stories ridiculing Corbyn, smearing him, or even worse, not featuring him at all.

 

He has as much right as anybody else to put his case forward, so why does he get such bad press? Because he represents the biggest threat to the right wing ideology and stability of the super rich – the same people who own our national media.

 

You may not agree with all or any of Corbyn’s policies, but it should trouble you that newspapers exercise power and influence in a number of ways. It is not just that they have a giant megaphone letting them dominate the public debate/thought. They have privileged access to politicians (just check out Rupert Murdoch’s recent wedding guest list) and have the ability to effectively set the political agenda.

 

However, none of the newspapers have privileged access to Jeremy Corbyn. Love him or loathe him, he’s the modern equivalent to the un-bribable Chicago cops who took down Al Capone. An untouchable politician. But, what use is a left leaning politician to a right-wing media mogul billionaire if he won’t even get into bed with him?

 

A perfect example of how the right-wing press paints a dire picture of Corbyn was reflected when the Labour leader turned down tickets to the opening game of the Rugby World Cup in 2015. The press slaughtered him. As did a number of high profile MPs.

 

The press claimed he had ‘snubbed’ the invite to the opening ceremony. Boris Jonhson was quoted saying “This is turning into a national joke…Come on Jezza: Scrum down for England.”

 

What wasn’t widely reported was that Corbyn had prior commitments, ‘scrumming down’ to meet with his constituents, the people he was elected to represent and serve.

 

He sat down for a private meeting with one of his homeless constituents to listen to her issues, as well as a full to the brim waiting room of others who had turned up to his weekly constituency meeting.

 

Whilst other politicians were quaffing down the free hospitality in the premier VIP seats, Corbyn was doing what the public elected him, and pay him to do.

 

So, why do people within Corbyn’s own party deem him unelectable? Because they know he’s an untouchable and principled individual who is unwilling to cosy up to the right wing press like Major, Blair and Cameron before him.

 

They may be right, The Sun and the Daily Mail may well decide the next election again and they won’t be backing Corbyn. People like Owen Smith realise this and think it’s better to change the system from the inside, once elected, and many Labour supporters know this too.

 

Despite Corbyn currently carrying a narrow appeal, the public has been crying out for a politician who isn’t part of the Bullingdon Club or Etonian alumni elite.

 

Someone who stands up for their principles and isn’t a media lap dog. But, those very characteristics could be Corbyn’s undoing.

 

The Labour membership must now decide whether they want to get behind someone who really leans against the establishment, or whether they want to see someone who can get behind the media for the media to get behind them.

 

Whichever way you vote, just remember to ask yourself the question; Have I really made up my own mind?

[VladimirIlyich]

I suspect he's anti EU but can't say it. The anti EU mob back in the day were all lefties.

Lets face it,we are largely anti EU, but a good majority of us realise that the way this country has been run for the last 30 or so years we have needed outside help(whether intentionally or accidentally) because the politicians in this country care little for its citizens. Unfortunately in the same period education standards have plummeted and at the same time a whole new generation of poorly educated and ignorant people have been born and grown up to voting age. Its very easy for Corbyn to have the same view,or to have changed his stance over time given the information he has gathered from colleagues, constituents and voters in general.

[Rico1304]

According to a YouGov survey he's now net unfavourable with every age group, class, region and women.