Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/29/eu-staff-petition-attacks-former-ec-president-over-goldman-sachs-job

 

he eu has been in the pocket of bankers for years, it's a neo con superstate.

 

Still a vast improvement on the Tory junta in charge here

[skend04]

Irish PM says he will block any further talks until the Irish hard border is completely off the table.

 

Any leave voter want to say how this is achievable?

[Pureblood]

Irish PM says he will block any further talks until the Irish hard border is completely off the table.

 

Any leave voter want to say how this is achievable?

 

Just get a Norway style deal.  Should be easy because we have skilled negotiators and the EU needs us as much as we need them!

[skend04]

Just get a Norway style deal. Should be easy because we have skilled negotiators and the EU needs us as much as we need them!

May's redlines means we want out of both the Customs Union and single market. That means the Norway deal isn't even on the table. Which then means a hard border or essentially giving Ireland independence. Which would massively piss off the DUP.

[Pureblood]

May's redlines means we want out of both the Customs Union and single market. That means the Norway deal isn't even on the table. Which then means a hard border or essentially giving Ireland independence. Which would massively piss off the DUP.

 

Our skilled negotiators will find an amicable solution palatable to all parties.

[Denny Crane]

Good to see we sent our best man Boris Johnson to handle the sensitive situation in Dublin.

 

 

I can't see him covering his ears but defo looks like he is humming to himself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

Project fear

[Rico1304]

Project fear

[clangers]

Here’s a good thread that explains the complexity we are facing.

 

Obviously Gnasher and Anny have a simple answer

 

https://twitter.com/sturdyalex/status/931546699033710592

As has been commented about the Brexiteer's in the cabinet in that it's very noticeable they don't do 'detail', such as the numerous agencies we'll need to have in place before March 2019 if we go for a 'no deal'.

 

Brexiteer's increasingly seem to be a heady mixture of jingoism, nostalgia, blind assumption and conspiracy theorist all rolled into one.

 

I'm reliably informed that leaving the EU will result in the sick being healed.

[Rico1304]

As has been commented about the Brexiteer's in the cabinet in that it's very noticeable they don't do 'detail', such as the numerous agencies we'll need to have in place before March 2019 if we go for a 'no deal'.

 

Brexiteer's increasingly seem to be a heady mixture of jingoism, nostalgia, blind assumption and conspiracy theorist all rolled into one.

 

I'm reliably informed that leaving the EU will result in the sick being healed.

To be fair some of the detail has been shown to be wrong so I’ve deleted it.

[Rico1304]

This is referenced as a good study on what will happen

 

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/research/brexit-relationship-eu-shape-nhs#key-points

[Anny Road]

Of course we would not have simple answers. We are not senior civil servants paid several hundred grand a year with whole departments of assistants and researchers at our disposal.

[cloggypop]

You will be after Brexit though!

[Anny Road]

You will be after Brexit though!

I have ran departments though and when we had a target or an objective it would be communicated to the managers and they were told to get it done. I was not concerned with the hows just hit the target by the deadline.

[Rico1304]

Of course we would not have simple answers. We are not senior civil servants paid several hundred grand a year with whole departments of assistants and researchers at our disposal.

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Like they had nothing to do before.

[Anny Road]

Priorities Rico. Priorities.

[Rico1304]

I have ran departments though and when we had a target or an objective it would be communicated to the managers and they were told to get it done. I was not concerned with the hows just hit the target by the deadline.

That makes no sense.

[Anny Road]

How’s that?

I was not my job tell tell staff how to do the job it was mine to ensure the director got the outcome he wanted and tasked me with.

[Anubis]

Thread.

 

https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/931546699033710592

[Rico1304]

How’s that?

I was not my job tell tell staff how to do the job it was mine to ensure the director got the outcome he wanted and tasked me with.

Imagine there’s a bloke on the other side tasked with the opposite outcome

[Anny Road]

I totally understand the points made in that tweet and in many respects a no deal exit will be a fucking nightmare. The blame for this should be placed at the door of the present administration.

If you give the public the opportunity to take part in a referendum don’t blame them for voting the way they did.

You cannot reverse the result of a democratic vote because you suddenly realise. Shit. How do we actually do it?

[Anny Road]

Imagine there’s a bloke on the other side tasked with the opposite outcome

I’m not sure what you mean mate. My point is we know potentially of the objectives we must achieve in a worst case scenario. People should be at it 24hrs a day drawing up plans and budgets to get it done.

[moof]

Mate. Define ‘democratic vote’

 

Because that’s not what this was.

[Anny Road]

Mate. Define ‘democratic vote’

Because that’s not what this was.

In some respects I agree with you. The campaigns were a mixture of scaremongering and outright lies.

Could the same not be said for every election since the birth of campaigning?

However that said if there are enough stupid people to see the vote over the line that is the world we live in. Democracy.

 

I have always been scared shitless of being summoned for jury duty as I imagine the idiots you will be arguing with. A mate of mine did it and a couple of women said in one case ‘I think he did it he just looks guilty’

That is the public we are up against but it is not anyone’s place to suggest you have more right to an opinion than them just because they are stupid or appear so.

Now the votes have been cast it is up to the sensible majority to do the right thing and get the best deal possible for us and the EU.

Sadly with this lot in power my hopes are not high.

[cloggypop]

 

 

Now the votes have been cast it is up to the sensible majority to do the right thing and get the best deal possible for us and the EU.

 

I thought you wanted to leave?