Strike Action

[Chairman Meow]

Superb comment from Paxman on newsnight last night, talking to one of the teachers union leaders.

 

"Do you seriously expect public support for this strike? even if the pension reforms go through you'll still have a better pension than 90% of the country (leans forward).......and you don't even go to work for 3 months of the year".

 

I struggle to accept someone criticising people for standing up for their pay and conditions when he is reputedly earning over 28 times the national average wage.

 

Paxman isn't even a serious journalist, he is like a spitting image puppet of himself now.

[Sugar Ape]

Maybe we should listen to Hermes, after all he is the only member of the forum to have lived through the 1926 general strike.

[Einch]

Maybe we should listen to Hermes, after all he is the only member of the forum to have lived through the 1926 general strike.

 

How old is the fucker?

[Sugar Ape]

How old is the fucker?

 

I'm not sure exactly, but here is a picture of his daughter celebrating her last birthday.

 

[Hermes]

 

They are talking about significant changes that'll affect people for maybe 30-40 years

 

Hilarious. Do you seriously expect the Government to indefinitely finance the current pension schemes when the life expectancy is going up and up?

 

Without a massive increase in tax it's impossible.

[Stu Monty]

Front line my arse Dennis. The front line is staffed by people who are working 60 hour weeks for minimum wage with no pension entitlement and no union representation.

 

That's not the front line. That's the camp full of POWs. And for some reason they are moaning at the people fighting a battle that would more than likely lead to them being released and saying "If I'm a POW then why shouldn't you be too?"

 

As Ralph Fiennes in a Micheal Gove mask keeps picking them off with his rifle, just for shits and giggles.

 

I'm talking about the pension, not the job. Everybody is taking a hit to reverse the Labour debt, why should they or anyone else claim immunity?

 

The richest 1,000 people in the country increased their wealth last year by £60 billion. Shut the fuck up, yeah?

 

Nobody is going to take lessons on paying their way or supporting each other as a community from someone who won't put his hand in his pocket for the running of the site after a decade and a half of use because "He doesn't have to".

 

 

FG - all that bowing down to your corporate masters is a load of nonsense mate. You, and every other person has the right to withold their labour. This isn't about you dragging the teachers down because you have a shit pension and your boss can fuck you over, it's about looking at them and saying "Fuck this, we should all have a decent pension and shouldn't be working 60 hrs a week!"

 

If you're looking for your pension, it's in the Cayman isles; via the account of some prick in the financial services in all likelyhood.

[Sugar Ape]

No one bite, don't give him what he wants.

 

[Stu Monty]

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Never has so much money been being passed from many hands into few.

[Hermes]

 

The richest 1,000 people in the country increased their wealth last year by £60 billion.

 

Whilst the Labour Part spent £150 billion more than they recouped in their final year.

 

One builds the economy, the other destroys it.

[Ginny]

Who cares> School is a load of shit anyway. Let people make their own way

[Stu Monty]

Whilst the Labour Part spent £150 billion more than they recouped in their final year.

 

One builds the economy, the other destroys it.

 

Whoah...where did the goalposts go?

 

Oh, there they are...someone moved them over there.

 

Shall we take this in baby steps. Who do you think that Labour gave the money to? I'll give you a clue: they brought the global capitalist system to it's ruin where it had to be bailed out by the masses (what some might call socialised).

 

You said everyone was stuggling, you were talking complete shit. As per.

[Antynwa]

I'm talking about the pension, not the job. Everybody is taking a hit to reverse the Labour debt, why should they or anyone else claim immunity?

 

Because they're teachers

[dennis tooth]

Even if the government manage to get these changes through it will still leave teachers a hell of a lot better of than masses of people in this country. Like I say I am broadly in favour of the action that they are taking because you simply cannot change someone's contract of employment like that. However if youy are asking me to belive that the heroic teachers are standing at the barricades defending the prols from the capitalist hoards I will laugh. It is about £1500 quid a year no more no less.

 

Yes but these people are contributing to raising the next generation of kids etc, if you want to do that properly and affect the best people chances are you will have to pay a reasonable rate. I'd sooner not keep on teachers who are teaching who are dinosaurs from another era cant get down with the homies and who should be on Blackpool beach.

There is no room for grudges or jealousy, my enemies enemy is my freind because they are in a union and unions are weaker than ever, beleive me though those without unions will suffer a direct knock on effect.

They used to go for the weak but they know now they can attack the strong, they are like a lion that has attacked a human, it will get bolder and bolder and attack more and more unless it is stopped. The weak will get mopped up regardless they dont have to actually target them anymore, theres bigger prizes being eyed by these predators.

It is about maintaining the standard of living for everyone in the end though, teachers are a barometer like policemen or the armed forces or anything else so next time you want a payrise it actually gets indirectly considered as a gauge of many other people's wages.

Its not a time for choosing between this and that, the only solution is the herd remains steadfast and pokes the lion on the nose if he comes, running in silence or screams may save you while the teachers carcass is munched on but that food will make the lion bigger and stronger and soon it will be hungry again.

I'm not trying to portray it in some way like a war but it is at the end of the day and they aren't likely to stop at teachers, if they win that battle then it will encourage all the other cunts running businesses etc to use that as a lever against practically everyone else. Look at other countries you can time it by your watch, they start on one and sew the seeds of division while attacking everyones rights, set the public against the teachers, win that battle then attack others with the justification that the teachers had to make cuts so should you. People dont seem to look past the ends of their own noses and the politicians and corporations and banks know all this, all this shit now has been modelled and pre planned for at least 12 months, they know the public mood they know how to get from a to b is to sometimes divert to c, c is for confusion.

We make a stand now or there will nobody left to get to tha choppa.

[dennis tooth]

Hilarious. Do you seriously expect the Government to indefinitely finance the current pension schemes when the life expectancy is going up and up?

 

Without a massive increase in tax it's impossible.

 

It's not impossible at all son, its very easy.

As for life expectancy going up, it goes up for tax payers too you know.

 

And the government doesnt finance it, the people do, and yes, for the next generation to be well educated by people happy in their jobs, I think the price is well worth paying. So long as we are in Iraq, Libya and Afganistan etc, etc, bailing out banks, then we can afford it easily like shitting through the eye of a needle. We cant afford not to.

 

Last of all, need I mention that these terms of work where agreed to by both sides, if the teachers wanted to renegotiate for more than they have Id have no reason to support it and same for this.

[dennis tooth]

Whilst the Labour Part spent £150 billion more than they recouped in their final year.

 

One builds the economy, the other destroys it.

 

I agree with the last sentence but wont pont out which is which as I suspect you think some offshore cayman Island account is a way to build the economy.

[Hermes]

It's not impossible at all son, its very easy.

As for life expectancy going up, it goes up for tax payers too you know.

 

 

But if the retirement stays at 65 then those older won't be paying income tax will they?

 

In 1980 life expectancy was 72. It's now 78, so an average of 7 years receiving a pension has now become 13 years.

[dennis tooth]

Originally Posted by Hermes

I'm talking about the pension, not the job. Everybody is taking a hit to reverse the Labour debt, why should they or anyone else claim immunity?

 

How is reducing people pensions, raising the retirement age and thereby reducing the job market whilst cutting of uni access to the younger generation unless willing to get into shitloads of debt going to do anything but INCREASE the debt?

You seem to think that these actions will somehow help reduce a debt when the measures were designed to increase it by bankers in debt to the public, any economist worth his salt will tell you this will increase debt, decrease spending, lock us all into something that is doomed to fail and ruin the standard of life of millions of people and will not make one jot of difference to the debt whatsoever in any kind of positive way at least.

 

Hermes, did you ever learn maths in school? Was it even invented then?

[Chairman Meow]

But if the retirement stays at 65 then those older won't be paying income tax will they?

 

In 1980 life expectancy was 72. It's now 78, so an average of 7 years receiving a pension has now become 13 years.

 

I wouldn't worry about it. They can always will raise the retirement age to allow us all the fine opportunity of working till we drop down dead. Anyway by the time they have finished fucking up the NHS the life expectancy will drop soon enough.

[Stu Monty]

Nobody needs to work past 65. We've just decided that it is better for the world as a whole if some can retire at 45 to the Bahamas and some have to keep grinding on till they drop. We've decided that people need that motivation not to be at the shitty level of the pyramid. We've decided not to move up the levels of Maslow's heirarchy as the main incentive for people and stick with nourishment and shelter. Sad really, but true.

[Hermes]

How is reducing people pensions, raising the retirement age and thereby reducing the job market whilst cutting of uni access to the younger generation unless willing to get into shitloads of debt going to do anything but INCREASE the debt?

You seem to think that these actions will somehow help reduce a debt when the measures were designed to increase it by bankers in debt to the public, any economist worth his salt will tell you this will increase debt, decrease spending, lock us all into something that is doomed to fail and ruin the standard of life of millions of people and will not make one jot of difference to the debt whatsoever in any kind of positive way at least.

 

Hermes, did you ever learn maths in school? Was it even invented then?

 

The IMF are obviously telling Greece this aren't they? Yet another Socialist Government that ruined a country.

[dennis tooth]

But if the retirement stays at 65 then those older won't be paying income tax will they?

 

In 1980 life expectancy was 72. It's now 78, so an average of 7 years receiving a pension has now become 13 years.

 

First of all, yes they will be paying tax on anything they buy, income tax on something that has already been taxed, you want to tax them again though?

 

There's more people living longer paying taxes, so even on your shaky calculations you seem to base this on has no basis.

Sadly for this poor poor logic it does not take into account what will happen if they work longer, means less new teacher jobs, less people working paying into the public pot anyway by raising retirement ages. You can make some numbers fit but people wont just go away, they will go on the dole in their youth and never come out of it stagnating THEN YOU CAN WHINGE AND WHINE AND BLAME IT ALL ON THEM UNEMPLOYED YOUTHS NOT PAYING TAXES! Sorted. Then, they can have estate kids send them to school where they wont respect the elderly teacher who doesnt even want to be there to make them even more illiterate, which means people like you will buy more copies of the daily mail to read about how awful it all is. Daily Mail, daily mail, oh how does your garden grow??

 

Anyway I can read the daily mail tomorrow to catch up with your 'informed' arguments.

[Paul]

I am broadly in favour of the action being taken but find this argument laughable.

The same argument could be applied to Doctors, nurses, postmen, brickies, architects, crane drivers etc etc. What specifically is it about the teaching profession that is so taxing that early retirement is vital.

In my opinion someone in their late 50's should easily be able to adequately carry out the job they are paid to do. If their performance is substandard they should be disciplined or dismissed as would be the fate of an employee in the private sector.

 

I can only compare teaching to the other two jobs I've had. One was working as a store manager for Waterstones where I ran two multi-million pound businesses and the other was working as a deputy manager for McDonald's where I opened a new restaurant, did 14 hour days without a proper break, worked weeks without a day off and was on my feet all day in one of the busiest restaurants in the country at that time. Teaching blows them out of the water.

 

It is physically, mentally and emotionally exhausting in a way I still find unbelievable now. There is literally no down time as a teacher. You cannot switch off for even a few seconds when you're with kids. Surely as a dad you know how draining kids can be. Now times that by the hundred or so we all teach every day.

 

In short, it's just not possible to sustain it at the same pace for thirty years. I've now done twelve and I'm as motivated and committed as ever, but simply don't have the energy I had even five years ago.

 

That all said, I'm not someone who thinks teachers are better than anyone else; I'm not really interested in the comparison. I just know I'm fucked. All the time. The trade off is the money (which I think is good, as opposed to great), the holidays and the fact that I feel like I'm doing important work. Selling books for a much bigger salary was really easy and really fucking dull.

[dennis tooth]

The IMF are obviously telling Greece this aren't they? Yet another Socialist Government that ruined a country.

 

Whats your opinion on the IMF? Do you base you opinion on their track record or just the name of IMF enough scrutiny for you to take what they say as gospel?

 

Greece is a very corrupt country and the banana republic of europe, it wasnt socialism that ruined it, it has never recovered from the 2nd world war to be honest.

[Anny Road]

Nobody needs to work past 65. We've just decided that it is better for the world as a whole if some can retire at 45 to the Bahamas and some have to keep grinding on till they drop. We've decided that people need that motivation not to be at the shitty level of the pyramid. We've decided not to move up the levels of Maslow's heirarchy as the main incentive for people and stick with nourishment and shelter. Sad really, but true.

 

What would you have in its place Monty a worldwide citizens maximum income. It's whimsical nonsense.

[Anny Road]

I can only compare teaching to the other two jobs I've had. One was working as a store manager for Waterstones where I ran two multi-million pound businesses and the other was working as a deputy manager for McDonald's where I opened a new restaurant, did 14 hour days without a proper break, worked weeks without a day off and was on my feet all day in one of the busiest restaurants in the country at that time. Teaching blows them out of the water.

 

It is physically, mentally and emotionally exhausting in a way I still find unbelievable now. There is literally no down time as a teacher. You cannot switch off for even a few seconds when you're with kids. Surely as a dad you know how draining kids can be. Now times that by the hundred or so we all teach every day.

 

In short, it's just not possible to sustain it at the same pace for thirty years. I've now done twelve and I'm as motivated and committed as ever, but simply don't have the energy I had even five years ago.

 

That all said, I'm not someone who thinks teachers are better than anyone else; I'm not really interested in the comparison. I just know I'm fucked. All the time. The trade off is the money (which I think is good, as opposed to great), the holidays and the fact that I feel like I'm doing important work. Selling books for a much bigger salary was really easy and really fucking dull.

 

Not doubting you for a moment mate. You seem to really enjoy your vocation. I bet however for everyone one of you there is one who is at home or on the golf course at 3.45 every day. I know a few.