Israel president Shimon Peres accuses Britain of pro-Arab bias

[stringvest]

That's the point that those saying they could kill more than thus are deliberately missing (or are genuinely not astute enough to work out).

 

Israel are deliberately killing civilians up to the top limit they think the international community will accept. They're assessing just what level of collective punishment they can get away with.

 

the point Brand brought up in his blog was chilling as well; the IDF are calculating the amount of calories that should be provided through the blockade to keep the population just above malnutrition levels.  Has more than the whiff of Mengele about it.  

[Spy Bee]

That's the point that those saying they could kill more than thus are deliberately missing (or are genuinely not astute enough to work out).

 

Israel are deliberately killing civilians up to the top limit they think the international community will accept. They're assessing just what level of collective punishment they can get away with.

Whilst totally destroying the infrastructure which causes more long term suffering, potentially even disease and more death.

[stringvest]

So, it looks like Netanyahu etc have now lied about the 3 murdered teenagers and now the alleged kidnapped soldier all to justify starting the build up to an assault in Gaza, and then to subsequently continue it, by flattening Raffah.

 

Can we believe a single word that comes out of their mouth? Not that we did before, anyway.

 

no and no.

[stringvest]

Whilst totally destroying the infrastructure which causes more long term suffering, potentially even disease and more death.

 

yes, but that disease and subsequent deaths is just BAU then.  Most of the cameras will have gone home, because Palestinians living on the brink of survival is not news, and hasn't been for decades.  The Israelis are confident of that.  

[stringvest]

RT are showing much more graphic reporting from the area. It's fucking carnage. The human race is capable of some vile shit.

 

Israel likes to think it belongs to the civilised world.  It isn't.  It's a barbaric state, run by subhuman cunts.  

 

Boycott the cunts in every way you can.  

[Dougie Do'ins]

 

[Arl arse]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I see Jon Voight is playing the cheap, lazy anti-semitism card against Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem now. Such desperate, diversionary tactics. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Chris graylings view about not speaking up on this issue baffles me a little. Our governments are usually quick off the mark to condemn or show a holier than thou attitude when various other instances round the world happen but now they believe stepping back and saying nothing is more prudent. They should never be allowed to speak about any other war or barbaric acts if they can be so picky when as to when they flash their morals. The lack of integrity amongst our political class is unreal.

[Jairzinho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOg9ZErZOCY

 

Fucking Hamas putting children in schools.

[Dougie Do'ins]

Chris graylings view about not speaking up on this issue baffles me a little. Our governments are usually quick off the mark to condemn or show a holier than thou attitude when various other instances round the world happen but now they believe stepping back and saying nothing is more prudent. They should never be allowed to speak about any other war or barbaric acts if they can be so picky when as to when they flash their morals. The lack of integrity amongst our political class is unreal.

When you get the collective silence from both sides, that's when you know we're involved in it up to our necks. Like the Iraq war, all parties are just nodding and blissfully turning a blind eyes. Wouldn't matter if Labour were in power, it'd be exactly the same shithouse attitude. 

[Spy Bee]

When you get the collective silence from both sides, that's when you know we're involved in it up to our necks. Like the Iraq war, all parties are just nodding and blissfully turning a blind eyes. Wouldn't matter if Labour were in power, it'd be exactly the same shithouse attitude. 

Labour have spoken out about it today, let's see how far they go. The Tories have accused them of 'playing politics'. Fucking stupid expression that is!

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Sky News confirming Israeli shelling in Beit Lahia, one of the areas which the IDF had, yesterday, confirmed it was safe for Gazan's to return to.

The cowards make me sick to the pit of my stomach.

[Arl arse]

When you get the collective silence from both sides, that's when you know we're involved in it up to our necks. Like the Iraq war, all parties are just nodding and blissfully turning a blind eyes. Wouldn't matter if Labour were in power, it'd be exactly the same shithouse attitude.

 

Probably down to the fact that all political parties are taking their marching orders from the big banks, who are the big banks owned by again?

[Jairzinho]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/03/david-cameron-dilemma-criticising-israel-gaza-offensive

 

David Cameron hamstrung over criticising Israel's Gaza offensive

Analysis: With an election looming, the PM risks alienating donors and voters if he comes down too hard on IDF's actions

 

 

David Cameron has limited himself to calling for an immediate ceasefire, while taking care to blame Hamas for sparking the crisis

 

Israel's actions have been disproportionate and risk unnecessary loss of civilian life, said David Cameron and William Hague – not this week but almost exactly eight years ago.

 

The occasion was Israel's ground invasion of southern Lebanon, which resulted in more than 1,000 deaths. It appears that the Conservative leadership is once bitten, twice shy, following the backlash caused by those comments. "Not merely unhelpful but downright dangerous," was the verdict of the Tory donor Sir Stanley Kalms at the time.

 

It is a different conflict, but the dilemma remains over whether it is politically possible to criticise Israel's military actions without alienating those MPs, donors and voters whose backing for the country is unqualified.

 

The Labour leader, Ed Miliband, has taken the risk by condemning the incursion into Gaza as wrong and highlighting Cameron's "silence on the killing of hundreds of innocent Palestinian civilians". The Lib Dem leader and deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, has matched Labour's position by branding Israel's actions disproportionate and gone a step further by calling for direct talks with Hamas.

 

Even the US has said Israel's recent attack on a UN school was "totally unacceptable" and "totally indefensible", urging "our allies to do more to live up to the high standards they have set themselves".

 

Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, has said the situation in Gaza is "simply intolerable", but there has been no directly critical comment about Israel from any Conservative government minister. As for Cameron, he has so far limited himself to calling for an immediate ceasefire, while taking care to blame Hamas for sparking the crisis.

 

The mood on the backbenches is different. Pressure on Cameron to be bolder has come from several senior figures within his own party, including Margot James, a No 10 policy board adviser; Sir Peter Luff, a former defence minister; Crispin Blunt, a former prisons minister; Sir Nicholas Soames, the president of the Conservative Middle East Council; and Sir Peter Bottomley, another former minister.

 

On the other hand, there are still very many Conservative MPs who are firmly behind Israel's efforts to take out Hamas, while others are simply keen not to make any public statements on the issue, partly for fear of provoking the pro-Israel lobby.

 

"If you're looking for an explanation of why the government and many MPs have been quite so pusillanimous … go no further than the reaction to Hague in 2006, when he had temerity to call Israeli action disproportionate. There was opprobrium poured all over William," said one former Tory minister, who would like to see the government condemn Israel's shelling of Gaza but believes that is highly unlikely.

 

As for the US administration, it is probably being as "brave towards Israel as it's ever going to be" in terms of criticising its actions because Obama is in his last term in office, he points out. Cameron, with an election war-chest to raise and voters to win next year, does not yet appear willing to cross the same line.

[Arl arse]

Labour have spoken out about it today, let's see how far they go. The Tories have accused them of 'playing politics'. Fucking stupid expression that is!

Labour have just waited to see what way the public opinion wind was blowing, then jumped on the bandwagon, fuck them they're as much to blame for this as any of the political parties.

 

Tony Blair Middle East peace envoy...........

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Probably down to the fact that all political parties are taking their marching orders from the big banks, who are the big banks owned by again?

There's that, but I think it's a bit more complicated than that too.

 

There's the large amount of pro-Israel lobbyist groups who fund the Tory party very handsomely by way of donations. 

 

Then there's the relationship with the USA. They set the tone. We follow. 

 

Plus, there's Hamas themselves. Whether we like it or not, they are viewed as a terrorist organisation by many eyes across the globe. The ridiculous, partisan attitude of some automatically classes any criticism of Israel as an implied support of Hamas. An international government can't,even in the slightest bit, be seen to be supporting a terrorist group. 

 

Then, there's the issue that we've discussed extensively here. The anti-semitism fallacy. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I hate all this donor shit and lobbying in the political process.

[Arl arse]

There's that, but I think it's a bit more complicated than that too.

There's the large amount of pro-Israel lobbyist groups who fund the Tory party very handsomely by way of donations. 

Then there's the relationship with the USA. They set the tone. We follow. 

Plus, there's Hamas themselves. Whether we like it or not, they are viewed as a terrorist organisation by many eyes across the globe. The ridiculous, partisan attitude of some automatically classes any criticism of Israel as an implied support of Hamas. An international government can't,even in the slightest bit, be seen to be supporting a terrorist group. 

Then, there's the issue that we've discussed extensively here. The anti-semitism fallacy.

 

Yeah, good point. Totally agree.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A quite disgusting article. Full of false accusation, whataboutery and diversionary tactics. Brainwashed, paranoid hasbara of the highest order.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Penelope-Cruz-and-Javier-Bardem-are-anti-Semites-369525

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What do Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz know about genocide? Well, apparently enough to know that Israel is committing one in Gaza against the Palestinians and Hamas.
 
But seeing their public declaration to that effect, I wondered about their immersion in the subject.
 
What, for example, is their position on Erdogan’s Turkey on why it’s against the law to acknowledge the 1.5 million Armenians slaughtered by the Ottomans during the First World War?
 
And what of the holocaust? Are Penelope and Javier, who are married, concerned about the repeat of the genocide of the Jews, especially since the Hamas charter explicitly calls for the murder of all Jews wherever they may be found, which is in fact a true call for genocide? 
 
And what of the Cambodians. Have Penelope and Javier studied the killings fields where one third of the Cambodian population was murdered by Pol Pot and the Khmeier Rouge? Have they at least read Samantha Power’s excellent book on genocide, A Problem from Hell, and if so, why have we not heard anything from them on the subject until now?
 
Where, for example, were Penelope and Javier in April of this year during the twentieth commemoration of the Rwandan Genocide. I of course saw Samantha in Kigali. I knew she would never miss it, even if she were not the American Ambassador to the UN. But Penelope and Javier were absent. Perhaps they were making a movie. Or perhaps they were tanning in Malibu. Regardless, are they familiar with the Interahamwe Hutu militias that macheted the Tutsi to death? Is this the first time they’ve heard the word? Have they ever reached out to President Kagame of Rwanda to ask him what a true genocide looks like, and how to define it?
 
For that matter, did Penelope and Javier travel to the former Yugoslavia to gain a better understanding of the genocides that took place, there, in Bosnia, Srebrenica, and Kosovo? 
 
In other words, before they parroted the obscene, depraved, repulsive lie that the Jews are committing a genocide of the Palestinians – a charge laid out by arch anti-Semites Roger Waters and Recep Tayipp Erdogan, both of whom compared the Jews to the Nazis – did they bother to even study the Arab-Israeli conflict?
 
Are they aware that Arab leaders, stretching back to the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, and going all the way up to Hamas and Iran in the present day, call for the total annihiliation of the Jewish State of Israel with its six million inhabitants?
 
If Israel wants a genocide against the Palestinians, then why does it allow 1.5 million Israeli Arab citizens to live with total human rights as citizens of Israel, with more freedom than Arabs anywhere in the Middle East?
 
If Israel seeks a genocide of the Palestinians, why did it withdraw fully from Gaza in 2005? And why, with Hamas firing rockets at most of Israel’s cities, doesn’t Israel just carpet bomb Gaza? After all, it’s what the British and we Americans did to Germany and Japan when they fired rockets against London and other British cities. Churchill’s response was Hamburg and Dresden, both flattered to the ground. Roosevelt and Truman’s response was Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, all of which were pulverized.
 
Indeed, didn’t Penelope and Javier ask themselves why Israel, widely assumed to possess stockpiles of thermonuclear warheads, didn’t just decide to nuke Gaza if they want a genocide?
 
And whoever heard of a genocidal power that uses text messages, phone calls, leaflets, and other alarms to warn civilians to leave buildings being used by Hamas to fire rockets? Did the Nazis warn the Poles that they were going to bomb Warsaw? Did the Hutu warn the Tutsis they were about to unleash an orgy of killing? 
 
And if it’s the Jews, rather than the Hamas who wants dead Palestinians, then why is Hamas turning Palestinian children into human shields, walking rocket silos, and human bomb bunkers?
 
No, one must simply conclude that Penelope and Javier are very talented actors and dismal students of history. Yet another Hollywood couple whose talent lies in impersonating characters and who are now trying to impersonate human rights activists and historians.
 
That’s bad enough. But when accusing Israel specifically of genocide, Penelope and Javier have crossed the line from vacant and hypocritical Hollywood human rights grandstanding into unforgivable anti-Semitism.
 
And that’s pretty tragic.

[PestiRed]

But what does Mel Gibson think about the issue?

[cloggypop]

The Jerusalem Post has also been running articles about ethnic cleansing being the solution.

 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Into-the-fray-Why-Gaza-must-go-368862

[Jairzinho]

The Jerusalem Post has also been running articles about ethnic cleansing being the solution.

 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Into-the-fray-Why-Gaza-must-go-368862

 

The final solution.

[Fugitive]

The Jerusalem Post has also been running articles about ethnic cleansing being the solution.

 

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Into-the-fray-Why-Gaza-must-go-368862

"The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region."

 

Wow, this sounds very similar to something that happened 70 odd years ago.

 

It's seems you can't be critical of Israel at all without being accused of anti-semitism. It's a disgraceful stance.

[PestiRed]

Obviously the Israelis just need living space