Israel - A Rant

[Trevorjc]

3 hours ago, Jurgen Knows said:

 

That’s your logic not mine. I never spoke with that logic. You know that. And you know it very well.
 

The Muslim community in the UK is not trying to ethnically cleanse British people out of the UK. Nor are the Irish and Italian Americans trying to ethnically cleanse anyone out of the US. 

 

The conflict is political, not religious. If Israel signs the 2002 Arab peace proposal and gives Palestinians their rights then there would be no conflict. Muslims, Christians and Jews have lived in peace for centuries before the zionists arrived.

 

 

 

Does that give Israel the right to commit genocide?

 

 

 

The Palestinians have accepted 22% of the land for the sake of peace in Oslo. What bigger compromise can they make? The zionists want 100% of the land and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. It is as clear as the sun who wants peace and who wants ethnic cleansing. No matter how hard the zionist media propaganda tries to spin it.

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land. Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  

 

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Trevorjc said:

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land. Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  

 

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

 

What in the Tommy Robinson is this 

[stringvest]

14 minutes ago, Trevorjc said:

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land. Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  

 

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

 

Israel wants ethnic cleansing - peace on those terms only.  Israel is throwing people out of their ancestral homes on a daily basis and installing militant Jews in their place.  That's not how you go building for peace.  It couldn't be any clearer that Israel is a disgrace, and acting with a degree of impunity that they couldn't possibly do without the support of the west.  Dehumanising an entire population - of all people, you would have thought they would be the last to actually have this as an avowed policy, but no - they do it on a daily basis,  supported by the majority of nasty, brutish souls occupying that place.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

436 Palestinians murdered in the past 24 hours, including 182 children. 
 

Horrible cunts. 

[etho]

23 minutes ago, Trevorjc said:

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land. Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  

 

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

 

The conflict isn't a religious conflict and is a political one, as stated multiple times by the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK, Husam Zomlot.

And, lets all repeat together, Hamas do not represent the Palestinian people. Hamas are not in the West Bank. Hamas were also demonstrably, factually funded and supported to exist in Gaza by Netanyahus Israeli Government specifically because he did not want a unified Palestinian Government to negotiate with, and has actively pursued a policy of effectively imprisoning the innocent 2 million human beings in Gaza (half of whom are children) because he wouldn't deal with Hamas, and actively pursuing development of settler communities in the West Bank which further erodes the originally agreed boundaries of the proposed Palestine State, whiile militarily occuping the west bank and subjecting the people there to all sorts of horrors.

 

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So please show us, anywhere, where any of the rhetoric or behaviour of Israel over the last 20/30 years and even more has shown any sort of inclination towards the 2 state solution and for peace.

 

It's clear now that Netanyahu's stated policy of 'containment' has failed, and they have no desire to negotiate a peaceful solution. And so they are actively pursuing the destruction of the Palestinians, aka Genocide, all under approval of the approving US, UK and wider Western governments, while the international media absorb and feed the dehumanising propoganda what will allow them to do it, while the rest of the world turns a blind eye.

 

But again, please do explain how Israel wants peace?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/23/doctors-poets-families-babies-victims-of-israels-war-on-gaza

[Pidge]

Huh? It's a religious conflict that has its roots in historical displacements that predate the prophet Muhammad by around a millennium? 

 

Huh?

[Jurgen Knows]

1 hour ago, Trevorjc said:

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land.

Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 
 

 

Poor Scouser T asked me why the Palestinians don’t leave after all the oppression that they are being subjected to, and I answered him that is because the land is theirs. They won’t leave their land.

 

If you want to spin this into “Muslims want to kill all jews” then I’m not surprised. This is exactly the message that zionists want to spread in order to justify genocide against palestinians.

 

 

1 hour ago, Trevorjc said:

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  
 

 

This presumed Hadith is one of more than 10,000 collected 150 years after the death of the Prophet; the authenticity of such a Hadith is disputed.

 

UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco have signed peace agreements with Israel. Saudi Arabia was on its way. Are these not Muslims?

 

It seems the zionists and their tools are more interested in promoting this disputed hadith than Muslims. I wonder why?

 

The conflict is political. Zionists want to make it religious to demonize Arabs and justify their massacres.  
 

 

1 hour ago, Trevorjc said:

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 
 

 

All 22 arab states endorsed it. Lunatics like Hamas and Israel didn’t. It is still on the table by the way if Israel is really interested in peace …

 

 

1 hour ago, Trevorjc said:

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

 

ISIS and Hamas are zionist products. No one served the interests of zionists better than them.

 

There is no Hamas in the West Bank. How do you explain the killing of thousands of innocent children there, the illegal settlements, and the apartheid system?

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Matip said:

436 Palestinians murdered in the past 24 hours, including 182 children. 
 

Horrible cunts. 

 

I'm surprised this isn't been negged yet 

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, Trevorjc said:

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel.

 

 

You can tell that by the children they're slaughtering. 

 

[Dicko]

2 hours ago, Trevorjc said:

You actually did speak with that logic when you said this is their land. Of course Muslims in the UK are not trying to ethnically cleanse the native population, yet, will that be the same when their population is not the 13% or so it is now but is 30 to 40% which demographically is inevitable. 

 

The conflict is absolutely religious, this is from a hadith  “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him" and this is part of the Hamas charter.  

 

The 2002 Arab Peace proposal could have been a good starting place for negotiations however the Passover massacre which took place the day before the initiative was published probably didn't help things. It was met with some opposition from some Arab states and the majority of the Hamas leadership rejected it so I can't see how that would have made much of a difference. 

 

It is clear who wants peace and that's Israel. This 2014 interview with the son of a Hamas leader show's they certainly don't https://x.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1711808433794810070?s=20

 

It's a mess and without removing the extremists from both sides I cannot see how to solve it.   

I'll be blunt.

Fuck off.

[Jairzinho]

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when their population is not the 13% or so it is now

 

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According to the latest 2021 United Kingdom census, 3,801,186 Muslims live in England, or 6.7% of the population. The Muslim population again grew by over a million compared to the previous census.^[5][6]

 

Must be at about 90% in Scotland and Wales, I guess.

[Jurgen Knows]

Ilan Pappe is a jew that I have a lot of respect for. I don’t mind being a human shield to protect him if required.

 

I haven’t yet read the book he’s talking about there, but this interview is worth watching:

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Western Media: NYT editorial retraction.

 

The Times 'prominent' coverage of the Gaza Hospital incident relied too heavily on Hamas' account, and left readers with an incorrect impression about what was known and how credible the account was.

[Bjornebye]

Just causally handing out what look like AR-15's to Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Clearly so they can force more violence and use that as an excuse to take that part of the land as well. Horrible barbaric cunts

 

https://x.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1716452614521356549?s=20

 

 

[Anubis]

Israel’s state apparatus. The masters of dehumanisation.

 

[Bjornebye]

 

 

https://www.unjppi.org/hedges---why-israel-lies.html

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I know that we see some crazy shite on the GF but I genuinely didn’t expect to see Andres Breivik-esque “Great Replacement theory” shite! 

[ZonkoVille77]

17 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

https://www.unjppi.org/hedges---why-israel-lies.html

 

 

 

9 years old and reads like it could have been written yesterday. 

[TheSire]

4 hours ago, Jurgen Knows said:

Ilan Pappe is a jew that I have a lot of respect for. I don’t mind being a human shield to protect him if required.

 

I haven’t yet read the book he’s talking about there, but this interview is worth watching:

 

 

 

I have his/chomskys book on Palestine. May give it a read actually....

[Gnasher]

Theirs a petition up, October declaration in support of Jews. Fair enough. 

 

I scrolled through a few of ths names who'd signed. Liz Truss, Darren Grimes, Lawrence Fox etc then I came to the name who once said this.. no its not Greta Thunberg..its Rod Liddle. Obviously a chastening experience.

 

 

 

[No2]

Several high-profile tech investors with links to Israel first pulled out and criticised Cosgrave, with the Web Summit founder first apologising for his comments last week, and then resigning from his position on Saturday. Commenting on Israel’s retaliation in Gaza following the murderous rampage by Hamas on October 7, Mr Cosgrove tweeted: “War crimes are war crimes, even when committed by allies.”

Anderson had been due to speak at the event in Lisbon, Portugal, as she promoted her new soft drink brand, G Spot.

 

After she and G Spot CEO Rebekah Hall pulled out as speakers at the summit last week, a spokesperson said: “We made the decision to withdraw because we recognise that the brands’ values do not align.”

Following criticism of her move, Ms Anderson, who also stars in Netflix’s Sex Education, said she “doesn’t want there to be any misinterpretation”.

“So let me be clear. ALL lives are valuable. No one life is more or less valuable than another,” The Fall and The Crown actor wrote on Twitter/X.”

She added: “We must speak up to demand the protection of all innocent civilian lives and we must speak out against terrorism.

“The two are not mutually exclusive.”

 

So she pulled out of a conference because of a tweet which expressed the similar sentiments she went on to express herself. 

[Arniepie]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Matip said:

I know that we see some crazy shite on the GF but I genuinely didn’t expect to see Andres Breivik-esque “Great Replacement theory” shite! 

He missed out the bit about importing military aged(16-50)men

Amateur. 

[Arniepie]

8 hours ago, stringvest said:

 

you wouldn't let that man near your kids, so why would anyone take anything he says seriously?  

Absolute nap he was bullied at school

There is several of them on twitter who's sole purpose is to wind up racist simpletons. 

I refuse to believe someone isn't paying them

[Arniepie]