Keir Starmer

[an tha]

4 hours ago, Dicko said:

It's the larger principal, there is a rizla paper between Labour & Tories now.

But people's desperation to remove the tories is blinding them to this fact. Even as we speak the only policy that Labour have left to differentiate themselves from the tories is the workers rights one. Which is now in the process of being diluted or worse abandoned.

 

Whatever you say about Corbyn his policies were popular and he was an opposition.

They weren't though were they? Sadly.

 

He was stitched up like fuck in the media and by the tory machine, painted as a terrorist more or less and roundly rejected by the cunts that this country is full of for that flag shagging, rat bastard buffoon Johnson.

 

I hate Lab having to pander to these cunts, but sadly they have to for now - hopefully once in power they can show these stupid cunts a better way and they stupid cunts will realise it is better and never vote for the tory scum again.

[Arniepie]

5 hours ago, Dicko said:

It's the larger principal, there is a rizla paper between Labour & Tories now.

But people's desperation to remove the tories is blinding them to this fact. Even as we speak the only policy that Labour have left to differentiate themselves from the tories is the workers rights one. Which is now in the process of being diluted or worse abandoned.

 

Whatever you say about Corbyn his policies were popular and he was an opposition.

Fat lot of good it did him

[Dicko]

10 hours ago, an tha said:

They weren't though were they? Sadly.

 

He was stitched up like fuck in the media and by the tory machine, painted as a terrorist more or less and roundly rejected by the cunts that this country is full of for that flag shagging, rat bastard buffoon Johnson.

 

I hate Lab having to pander to these cunts, but sadly they have to for now - hopefully once in power they can show these stupid cunts a better way and they stupid cunts will realise it is better and never vote for the tory scum again.

Corbyn's policies were and are popular unfortunately the public hated the person delivering them.

Starmer is not going to miraculously move to the left once in power.

In fact all empirical evidence points to the opposite.

9 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Fat lot of good it did him

True, maybe if he'd been a lying duplicitous twat who'd say and do anything to achieve power, but with no actual policies other than more austerity he may have got in.

[Dicko]

Choosing Labour to replace the tories is akin to replacing Hodgson with Rodgers.

They'll look younger and have a snazzier suit and be easier on the eye. But in the end they'll still win fuck all, get on your nerves and when you finally take a look at their 180 page dossier on how to improve the economy it just boils down to 180 pages of how to reduce benefits for the poorest in society.

 

But at least they aren't the tories.

[Dicko]

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Labour has partially rowed back from its policy on boosting rights for those working in the gig economy as it seeks to head off Conservative attacks on its approach to business in the run-up to the general election.

Angela Rayner, the party’s deputy leader, whose portfolio covers workers’ rights, said on Friday morning that Labour still intended to ban zero-hour contracts, tackle bogus self-employment and end qualifying periods for rights in the “biggest levelling-up of workers’ rights in decades”.

 

“Far from watering it down, we will now set out in detail how we will implement it and tackle the Tories’ scaremongering,” she added.

However, the party’s policy forum in July changed the wording of the pledges on workers’ rights to suggest there may be more flexibility in its approach.

Labour had been planning to create a single “worker” status for all but the genuinely self-employed, ensuring the same rights for everyone regardless of sector, wage or type of contract.

The forum agreed last month to consult on this policy after entering government to create “a simpler framework” that differentiates between workers and the genuinely self-employed in a way that would “properly capture the breadth of employment relationships in the UK” as well as ensuring workers can still “benefit from flexible working where they choose to do so”.

Labour also tweaked its plan for “day one” workers’ rights such as sick pay, parental leave and unfair dismissal to say that this would not prevent “probationary periods with fair and transparent rules and processes”.

The changes, first reported by the Financial Times, are supported by a number of trade unions and their organising body, the TUC. However, Unite, the party’s biggest donor, is believed to have given the new wording a “thumbs down”.

The national policy forum is a process that examines possible policies and drafts wording from which Labour forms its next manifesto.

On Friday morning, Stephen Morgan, a shadow education minister, said he could not comment on the policy process before the party’s manifesto but made clear it would be “pro-worker and pro-business”.

“We have got a really good relationship with business now, we can be trusted to run our economy and to run our country, and we have got a set of policies which are pro-worker too,” he said.

This was from last year.

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Dicko said:

Corbyn's policies were and are popular unfortunately the public hated the person delivering them.

 

 

All of them? Not sure that logic flies - I don't doubt there were a few folks who liked his policies but hated him personally so much they wouldn't vote for him, but that would have to be a pretty small percentage.

[Gnasher]

17 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Yeah maybe Starmer should follow his lead and halt the arms sales.

 

Oh wait he can't, he's not the president or prime minister and has about as much influence over the situation as you have.

 

And I'm pretty sure Labour has always been full square behind blowing the shit out of people, certainly in my lifetime, I'm not sure what being a party of the working class has got to do with international relations, unless you mean Corbyn, who, contrary to modern opinion, isn't and never was the Labour Party.

 

Are Israel not  "international" then? Because this current Labour Party seem to have an awful lot of close ties to a country a few thousand miles away for a party that has little to do with international relations. 

[Section_31]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Are Israel not  "international" then? Because this current Labour Party seem to have an awful lot of close ties to a country a few thousand miles away for a party that has little to do with international relations. 

 

I said the British working class.

 

The fine people of Blackpool who anointed not one but two Tory MPs despite having baby banks where milk and clothes are doled out to skint mothers care not a jot for doings in the middle east or kashmir, nor do they care about Owen Jones pontificating over the rights of Hells Angels to get changed next to your daughter in the baths.

 

The term "left" is now utterly meaningless, in a sense it's become rich people's idea of what poor people want. Diane Abbot with her kid in a private school sums up that aspect of the movement. I bet if you went to a Momentum meeting it'd be like a Durham University reunion bash.

[stringvest]

10 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

I said the British working class.

 

The fine people of Blackpool who anointed not one but two Tory MPs despite having baby banks where milk and clothes are doled out to skint mothers care not a jot for doings in the middle east or kashmir, nor do they care about Owen Jones pontificating over the rights of Hells Angels to get changed next to your daughter in the baths.

 

The term "left" is now utterly meaningless, in a sense it's become rich people's idea of what poor people want. Diane Abbot with her kid in a private school sums up that aspect of the movement. I bet if you went to a Momentum meeting it'd be like a Durham University reunion bash.

 

that's a tremendous post.  You're right though, the spartists and the sourdough socialists aside, the country is made up of reactionaries of various stripes and of the huge rump of conservative (with a small c) thinking people who don't want too much to scare them - though they're very likely to vote for who they're being told to vote for in the mainstream press and TV.

[Dicko]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

All of them? Not sure that logic flies - I don't doubt there were a few folks who liked his policies but hated him personally so much they wouldn't vote for him, but that would have to be a pretty small percentage.

Most wouldn't see past Corbyn to his policies.

Taken in isolation though and separate policy from the man, then his 2017/19 manifesto was exceptionally popular.

[Scooby Dudek]

Having been (un)fortunate enough to spend many days canvasing at the last election in Blackpool (South I think it was), I  can say anecdotally that a lot of voters liked and would normally support Labour but just couldn't bring thmselves to vote for him. One of my arguments of choice was how you are voting for a party/policies not a person, as the leader can change at anytime, but obviously it didn't work. 

 

To impress you even more, as we knew Liverpool seats were safe I spent no time there during the campaign. As well as Blackpool I spent time in Warrington and Crewe, even having the joy of door knocking on election day in Crewe.  Don't bother checking, everywhere I went we lost. I am now fed up and will not campaign as the next election, which is why Labour will win. We all have to not do our bit.

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

We all have to not do our bit.

 

"It takes a nation of millions to not hold us back."

[Gnasher]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk-labour-leader-starmer-calls-lasting-ceasefire-between-israel-hamas-2024-02-18/?s=09

 

 

Well in.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk-labour-leader-starmer-calls-lasting-ceasefire-between-israel-hamas-2024-02-18/?s=09

 

 

Well in.

Better late than never, I guess. But, now he’s committed the cardinal sin of not giving 100% backing to Israel’s slaughter of innocents, the knives will be sharpened…

 

 

[Section_31]

[Jairzinho]

Ha, yes, the policing is definitely anti-white. 

 

Is that fella literally in the Klan? 

[sir roger]

It never made him look strong, determined and principled, it made him look like a bought and paid for Netantahu stooge.

[Section_31]

Tough crowd.

 

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, all I want is a secure job and a dentist.

 

 

[Gnasher]

23 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Tough crowd.

 

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, all I want is a secure job and a dentist.

 

 

 

On domestics. I'm not convinced cutting the 23 billion green energy plan and having kids brush their teeth in schools will help create jobs and solve our dentistry problems. 

 

Number crunching on domestics. I thought the income raised by levelling capital gains and income tax would not raise quite so much 

but I'll settle for Monibots figures below. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dicko]

6 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Having been (un)fortunate enough to spend many days canvasing at the last election in Blackpool (South I think it was), I  can say anecdotally that a lot of voters liked and would normally support Labour but just couldn't bring thmselves to vote for him. One of my arguments of choice was how you are voting for a party/policies not a person, as the leader can change at anytime, but obviously it didn't work. 

 

To impress you even more, as we knew Liverpool seats were safe I spent no time there during the campaign. As well as Blackpool I spent time in Warrington and Crewe, even having the joy of door knocking on election day in Crewe.  Don't bother checking, everywhere I went we lost. I am now fed up and will not campaign as the next election, which is why Labour will win. We all have to not do our bit.

If you were in Crewe you may have been with my Uncle.

It was bad, really, really bad.

[Gnasher]

As for that ceasefire announcement, Starmer might change his mind when back in London. Last time he went to Scotland they wanted to fill him in.

[Arniepie]

28 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

That bowl headed bullied at school nonce,needs volleying everywhere 

[Dicko]

It's hard to pin down Starmer, hopefully he sticks to what he's saying.

[Gnasher]

58 minutes ago, Nelly-Szoboszlai said:

Better late than never, I guess. But, now he’s committed the cardinal sin of not giving 100% backing to Israel’s slaughter of innocents, the knives will be sharpened…

 

 

 

Wondered where I'd heard that journalists name. Just typed him in and one of the results was this.. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dicko]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Wondered where I'd heard that journalists name. Just typed him in and one of the results was this.. 

 

 

 

 

 

The irony of going after the Blairite wing of the party.

That said Starmer said lasting ceasefire not immediate ceasefire.

He'll only say that once everyone in Gaza is dead and the US allow him to say it.