ISIS - To Attack or Not?

[Strontium]

Actually the age of consent in Syria is 15, so long as you're married (which she was).

[moof]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Actually the age of consent in Syria is 15, so long as you're married (which she was).

Brilliant. 

[TheHowieLama]

Seems weird how there are continued references to paedos when discussing this. As Sasas says, the "grooming" focus, its a little fetishy. 

Are the only individuals being "groomed" in society young girls?

Is is just paedos and religious extremists who do this?

[moof]

“You don’t think 15 is old enough to make the decision to travel to a war zone, marry a terrorist and have his kids? What are you, some kind of sjw?”

[moof]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Seems weird how there are continued references to paedos when discussing. As Sasas says, the "grooming" focus, its a little fetishy. 

Are the only individuals being "groomed" in society young girls?

Is is just paedos and religious extremists who do this?

The fuck? Isn’t it a bit early to hit the turps, mate?

[TheHowieLama]

 

Just now, moof said:

The fuck? Isn’t it a bit early to hit the terps, mate?

So - the two questions are - can only young girls be "groomed"? And do only paedos and extremists do it? The terps are up to you cowboy.

 

Also great response to the age of consent in Syria. By "brilliant" you think 15 is good then?

[SasaS]

20 minutes ago, moof said:

Yeah, bizarre conception. Like something a paedophile would say

 

Wow.

[Pureblood]

25 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

But, look, the only thing that can actually destroy my point is some examples of extremists that pose as much of a threat to us as religious extremists do.

Was the guy in the Las Vegas hotel extreme enough for you?

[moof]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

 

Wow.

My thoughts exactly 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

So - the two questions are - can only young girls be "groomed"? And do only paedos and extremists do it? The terps are up to you cowboy.

 

Also great response to the age of consent in Syria. By "brilliant" you think 15 is good then?

Go back to bed, you blert

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Was the guy in the Las Vegas hotel extreme enough for you?

Double whammy for nature vs nurture for this fella -- his Dad - and of course extra marks as he was a massive paedo

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Go back to bed, you blert

Dude -- this is so you these days. It is three simple questions.

You have a tendency to duck these

[moof]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Dude -- this is so you these days. It is three simple questions.

You have a tendency to duck these

Mate, I didn’t think you were actually being serious. 

Fine, I’ll answer. 

 

No, no and no. 

[Strontium]

10 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Was the guy in the Las Vegas hotel extreme enough for you?

 

Was he perpetuating an ideology?

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

 

No, no and no. 

Sound, we agree.

It's just I don't really hear that word used in many other contexts.

 

[Strontium]

This magic switch that kicks in at midnight when someone is 15 years and 364 days old, which imbues them with full responsibility for their actions, where previously they had none - where is it located exactly?

[Numero Veinticinco]

40 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

The extreme sports thing was a joke. Come on.

 

The notion of secular ideologies like communism and fascism as ersatz religions is one that has been around for a while. I don't think it especially controversial to describe those ideologies as being very like religions in their nature.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_religion

 

But, look, the only thing that can actually destroy my point is some examples of extremists that pose as much of a threat to us as religious extremists do.

That’s easy. They happen all the time. I’ll be back after I get to my PC. 

[Jenson]

47 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Again, yes, I said she was persuaded to go, which is the same as grooming for me, is the word grooming some kind of fetish?

 

On the wrong sentence, you actually believe that 15-year olds' brains are blank slates? In that case a success ratio of ISIS grooming is horrible, no wonder they are finished. There needs to be initial interest, mindset, context, then the process of accepting or rejecting. Actually, why do I even have to explain this?

I believe Adam Johnson tried using that defence.

[Jenson]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

This magic switch that kicks in at midnight when someone is 15 years and 364 days old, which imbues them with full responsibility for their actions, where previously they had none - where is it located exactly?

In law?

[Pureblood]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Was he perpetuating an ideology?

Answering a question with a question is a cunt's trick.

 

Should have known better than to reply to you, won't happen again.

[SasaS]

19 minutes ago, Jenson said:

I believe Adam Johnson tried using that defence.

 

I don't think what he was after was for her to join ISIS. 

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I don't think what he was after was for her to join ISIS. 

He joined Sunderland so he's hardly in a position to criticise.

[Boss]

2 hours ago, TK421 said:

There's evidence here that the police had prior knowledge.  I'm talking about her decision to go to Syria, which I believe she was groomed into making.  

 

The police had become concerned that some girls in East London were being groomed by Isis, using other young women to lure them to Syria with all sorts of promises via social media. It’s easy to see how any 15 year old who grows up within a conservative, restrictive community would find messages like these appealing and exotic.

 

The police gave Shamima and her friends letters to give to their parents warning about the dangers of radicalisation, which were later found in their schoolbags. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/shamima-begum-isis-bride-home-uk-bethnal-green-isis-home-secretary-javid-a8781141.html

 

 

You haven't posted any proof. You've posted a think piece by Janet Street Porter, of all people. What does Janet Street Porter know about this case specifically? I mean it's farcical. 

 

Is there any substantial proof that she was groomed? Is there clear evidence of the methods ISIS used - in the Begum case specifically - to groom her? Because as far as I can see, nobody that understands the ins and outs of the case has mentioned it. Javid as Home Secretary would've been briefed on everything related to the case, and he hasn't mentioned it. So i'm just curious where it's come from? Because all the evidence points to her leaving on her own volition. 

[Bjornebye]

The fella in the Vegas hotel was an ISIS Paedo? I don't agree with what they do but not liking country music is beyond the pale 

[Mook]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

The fella in the Vegas hotel was an ISIS Paedo? I don't agree with what they do but not liking country music is beyond the pale 

They don't like country music?

 

*Joins ISIS