Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, A Red said:

Something else I dont agree with Corbyn on - scrapping university tuition fees. Surely it is a particularly socialist thing to do, getting the rich to pay, rather than the government, for something they can afford that benefits them hugely. 

That theory only works if you believe the sole beneficiary of higher education is the graduate (which would be a distinctly un-Socialist point of view). 

 

Also, of course, no Socialist would accept the notion that higher education should be the sole preserve of the rich.

 

Corbyn's argument  (which makes sense to me) is that if a society trains engineers, doctors, artists, architects, accountants, etc. then literally everybody in society benefits. Having an educated population is a public good that should be publicly funded.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, A Red said:

Look at us, practically politely agreeing with each other

 

 

Hank just sent me a DM to say he thinks you're a cunt.

[Anny Road]

I'd love to see the tipping point for income tax/inheritance tax/ capital gains and indirect tax, VAT etc.

For instance if income tax was on a sliding scale up to say 80% and all indirect tax was abolished. No VAT on fuel etc.

[magicrat]

11 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

I'd love to see the tipping point for income tax/inheritance tax/ capital gains and indirect tax, VAT etc.

For instance if income tax was on a sliding scale up to say 80% and all indirect tax was abolished. No VAT on fuel etc.

I don't have an issue so much as top rate tax being 50 pcnt. It's getting cunts to pay it and not use tax dodging schemes. More importantly getting multi-national companies to pay their whack. I would tax companies on their UK turnover if based over-seas which would encourage them to be UK based and produce proper profit and loss accounts not some fictional transfer pricing scam.

[Anny Road]

Just now, magicrat said:

I don't have an issue so much as top rate tax being 50 pcnt. It's getting cunts to pay it and not use tax dodging schemes. More importantly getting multi-national companies to pay their whack. I would tax companies on their UK turnover if based over-seas which would encourage them to be UK based and produce proper profit and loss accounts not some fictional transfer pricing scam.

That's a given.

[Rico1304]

If you earn less than £80,000 a year Labour will not increase your income tax rate for 5 years and will increase the minimum wage to £10 an hour.

 

People who earn over £80k will pay a bit more. 

[sir roger]

Good old Tom Watson setting up a new ' party within a party ' , wondering when this cunt is managing to sleep at the moment. Had to chuckle when he was described as being on the centre-left of the Labour party.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The Labour proposal for German style indefinite tenancies/an end to no fault evictions seems to be being very well received on social media. Also championed by Shelter. 

[Strontium]

35 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

If you earn less than £80,000 a year Labour will not increase your income tax rate for 5 years and will increase the minimum wage to £10 an hour.

 

People who earn over £80k will pay a bit more. 

 

Good of them to set the threshold for what a high earner is just above an MP's salary of £79,468.

[Numero Veinticinco]

54 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

If you earn less than £80,000 a year Labour will not increase your income tax rate for 5 years and will increase the minimum wage to £10 an hour.

 

People who earn over £80k will pay a bit more. 

Fucking Corbynites. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

28 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Good old Tom Watson setting up a new ' party within a party ' , wondering when this cunt is managing to sleep at the moment. Had to chuckle when he was described as being on the centre-left of the Labour party.

Where do you think he is? 

[SammyAftershave]

Where his loyalties truly lie. Weight Watchers Tel Aviv?

[cloggypop]

Too early for Glastonbury. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

27 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Good of them to set the threshold for what a high earner is just above an MP's salary of £79,468.

"Them" being MPs?

[sir roger]

I would imagine the word ' left ' would be studying the trades descriptions act as we speak.

[sir roger]

In 2003, Watson voted in favour of going to war with Iraq, and subsequently voted consistently against an investigation into the war.

Watson was campaign chair for Labour in the Birmingham Hodge Hill by-election in July 2004. The campaign drew criticism for its dirty tactics, particularly a Labour leaflet proclaiming "Labour is on your side – the Lib Dems are on the side of failed asylum seekers", for which Watson later admitted responsibility and expressed regrets.

 

Guy's practically a commie.

[moof]

By any measure, he’s pretty clearly on the “right” of the Labour Party. I mean, he is a “labour friend of Israel” after all. That must count for something 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, sir roger said:

In 2003, Watson voted in favour of going to war with Iraq, and subsequently voted consistently against an investigation into the war.

Watson was campaign chair for Labour in the Birmingham Hodge Hill by-election in July 2004. The campaign drew criticism for its dirty tactics, particularly a Labour leaflet proclaiming "Labour is on your side – the Lib Dems are on the side of failed asylum seekers", for which Watson later admitted responsibility and expressed regrets.

 

Guy's practically a commie.

 

I remember that, Labour wanted to remove children of failed asylum seekers from their parents and put them into care. Lib Dems were obviously opposed to that. Good old Labour. 

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

I remember that, Labour wanted to remove children of failed asylum seekers from their parents and put them into care. Lib Dems were obviously opposed to that. Good old Labour. 

Agree with you on this one, that was shameful

[Numero Veinticinco]

22 minutes ago, sir roger said:

In 2003, Watson voted in favour of going to war with Iraq, and subsequently voted consistently against an investigation into the war.

Watson was campaign chair for Labour in the Birmingham Hodge Hill by-election in July 2004. The campaign drew criticism for its dirty tactics, particularly a Labour leaflet proclaiming "Labour is on your side – the Lib Dems are on the side of failed asylum seekers", for which Watson later admitted responsibility and expressed regrets.

 

Guy's practically a commie.

I think you misunderstand what it means to be on the left or right, mate. Would you consider Jon Cruddas and Andy Burnham right wing? 

 

 

[sir roger]

The good thing about Corbyn is that I don't even need to check on Wiki or wherever to see whether he was in agreement with that horrific New Labour idea/policy.

[Red Phoenix]

Why have a go at Tories for Islamophobia? It's embedded in the Labour Party too via the pro-Israel groups as they support the apartheid state and remain silent on Palestine.

 

Not gonna stop people like Owen Jones pretending otherwise though. Conservatives have bad problems too obviously, but Jones is just deflecting as he goes on about them. He made a video that he posted on twitter recently, it's basically saying that conspiratorial thinking always leads to anti-Semitism again, also that it's no good talking about Israel or Zionist lobbies.

 

He's getting called out for it regularly now and there has to be a reason he's doing it.

[moof]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

Why have a go at Tories for Islamophobia? It's embedded in the Labour Party too via the pro-Israel groups as they support the apartheid state and remain silent on Palestine.

 

Not gonna stop people like Owen Jones pretending otherwise though. Conservatives have bad problems too obviously, but Jones is just deflecting as he goes on about them. He made a video that he posted on twitter recently, it's basically saying that conspiratorial thinking always leads to anti-Semitism again, also that it's no good talking about Israel or Zionist lobbies.

 

He's getting called out for it regularly now and there has to be a reason he's doing it.

Yeah, the overly simplistic framing of “Labour = antisemitism, Tory = islamophobia” is infuriating. Both parties (actually, all parties) have elements of both, and other racism/bigotry. It’s just less prevalent in labour

[sir roger]

13 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I think you misunderstand what it means to be on the left or right, mate. Would you consider Jon Cruddas and Andy Burnham right wing? 

 

 

Don't know much about Cruddas other than vaguely remembering him trying to help the unions a bit when Blair was Labour leader. Liked Burnham and was disappointed when he jibbed it for the mayoral role. consider him as very slightly left of centre & certainly the next most acceptable candidate to me in the Corbyn election win.

 

I am no student of political tomes and am happy to be pointed in the right direction of left / right pure descriptions , but on a basic gut level I do not see an MP with warmongering racist tendencies as having  much of a claim to be on the left of the Labour party.

[Numero Veinticinco]

19 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Don't know much about Cruddas other than vaguely remembering him trying to help the unions a bit when Blair was Labour leader. Liked Burnham and was disappointed when he jibbed it for the mayoral role. consider him as very slightly left of centre & certainly the next most acceptable candidate to me in the Corbyn election win.

 

I am no student of political tomes and am happy to be pointed in the right direction of left / right pure descriptions , but on a basic gut level I do not see an MP with warmongering racist tendencies as having  much of a claim to be on the left of the Labour party.

I’m not sure I’d say any of those have racist tendencies, nor would I call them warmongering, but I think it’s fair to say you can be left wing and still favour military intervention in certain circumstances.