Mediocrity is now institutionalised at Liverpool FC

[dennis tooth]

Problem is too many one dimensional players, look how accomplished top players overcome their perceived weaknesses barca transmit it to their players that strength of their weaknesses that allows their little men to run riot if you watched hamaans goals but never seen him play youd think he was matt le tissier, if he had ever been through one on one with the keeper id put my hat on him scoring despite being a dm who got a nosebleed on the halfway line, likewise if suarez had found himself the last defender in a two v one situ id back him to win the ball back.

[Section_31]

We buy mediocre players because the great ones don't want to come here.

 

Look at Sanchez he would not even speak to us. That was not purely the faulty of Rodgers. Its where we are as a club and where we are geographically. Players want London. Man Utd struggle to sign players from the very top end. The difference is they can piss around 6 times as much as us on the next level of players.

 

Klopp regardless of how good he may or may not be cannot change this alone.

The days when managers can come in, change things around, motivate a club and make massive improvements ala Brian Clough at Forrest are long gone. The financial landscape has changed beyond all recognition and the financial gaps are now huge and pretty much insurmountable in any meaningful manner

Disagree. The Sanchez spiel was a load of bollocks spun by Rodgers to make up for his own inadequacy. If he'd had Sanchez he probably would have played him in goal.

 

Torres, Suarez, hamann, hyppia, reina, Alonso, none of these were in the top tier of player when we signed them, but people who knew football knew they were going places.

 

We don't buy bargain basement players, we sign premiership flavours of the month at extortionate fees, be it the entire Southampton spine, Lallana or Carroll.

 

If Rodgers was still here I guarantee we'd be lining up a 50 mil bid for vardy and next season he'd be shite.

 

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[Captain]

No of course I'm fucking not. Neither option was the right one. We should have got a better manager in.

Which was obviously not going to happen.

[3 Stacks]

As many have already said, the whole "we need a sugar daddy to compete" thing is a lie and an excuse for the club's current incompetence. You just have to look at what Klopp did at Dortmund to disprove this. There are talented players in many different leagues who wouldn't cost an arm and a leg who are good enough and would improve us. 

 

There's just no proper justification for the current mess we're in. The thing I can't understand is the profligate spending on average Premier League players and young players we clearly never had a plan on how to use. It's all been so amateurish, it's as if we've been spending money just for the sake of it.

 

Honestly, we should try to model ourselves like Arsenal. Develop and trust young talent, and only spend big money on players who are either proven top class or who play in a position we really need to strengthen.

 

Imo, the way to go for us is to spend less not more because it's clear that people at the club are utterly clueless with money. Thankfully, we have a manager who with his team at Dortmund, found players like; Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Lewandowski, Gundogan, Kagawa, Reus and Hummels for less than the combined fees we payed for Benteke and Carroll.

[Grinch]

We buy mediocre players because the great ones don't want to come here.

 

Look at Sanchez he would not even speak to us. That was not purely the faulty of Rodgers. Its where we are as a club and where we are geographically. Players want London. Man Utd struggle to sign players from the very top end. The difference is they can piss around 6 times as much as us on the next level of players.

 

Klopp regardless of how good he may or may not be cannot change this alone.

The days when managers can come in, change things around, motivate a club and make massive improvements ala Brian Clough at Forrest are long gone. The financial landscape has changed beyond all recognition and the financial gaps are now huge and pretty much insurmountable in any meaningful manner

 

There's a lot of players between Sanchez and the mediocre shite Rodgers bought.

 

What we are seeing is the result of three years of poor buys with a few exceptions.  It's hardly surprising the squad is poor.   There's no excuse for wasting £300m

[DirkDiggledinho]

Which was obviously not going to happen.

 

Maybe not the best of the best but we could have done better than Woy Hodgson and regressing further with a stale and tired Rafa certainly wouldn't have helped us.

[moof]

We nearly won the league only a couple of years ago under the same circumstances the OP talks about and that was with a gobshite manager.

It's almost as if some people are being a little bit hysterical about our standing in the game. Give us a fit striker and a goal scoring midfielder and we'd probably win the league. This talk of Klopp being the final throw of the dice in terms of us being top team is a bit daft.

 

This season we can write off the league while Klopp learns and gets his feet under the table. It wasn't going to happen overnight, obviously.

[stringvest]

Maybe not the best of the best but we could have done better than Woy Hodgson and regressing further with a stale and tired Rafa certainly wouldn't have helped us.

 

This fucking shite again.  Benitez was desperate to get away, and engineered it so he got what he wanted.  And the team had stopped playing for him.  If anyone thinks the poisonous mix that he had done most to build was going to get fixed, then can I sell you the Liver Buildings for £20?

[stringvest]

It's almost as if some people are being a little bit hysterical about our standing in the game. Give us a fit striker and a goal scoring midfielder and we'd probably win the league. This talk of Klopp being the final throw of the dice in terms of us being top team is a bit daft.

 

This season we can write off the league while Klopp learns and gets his feet under the table. It wasn't going to happen overnight, obviously.

 

Only the clinically insane think our plight is going to be resolved this season.  There is much to do, and most of it involves a major player transplant.  

[Dr. J]

We nearly won the league only a couple of years ago under the same circumstances the OP talks about and that was with a gobshite manager.

 

Luis Suarez.

 

Repeat as necessary.

[Captain]

Maybe not the best of the best but we could have done better than Woy Hodgson and regressing further with a stale and tired Rafa certainly wouldn't have helped us.

 

But we didn't. Exactly as predicted.

[an tha]

Pace, power and the stomach for a fight.

 

The key things needed in successful premier league teams.

 

Sprinkle a bit of quality in with those things and you are sorted.

 

We have consistently failed to buy players with either enough of or any of those key attributes.

[aRdja]

I think the OP is somewhat right. We keep buying players from mid table teams. Those who aren't used to winning most games or aren't overly upset if we lose an away game. With Brendan in charge, they had a manager in the same mould. How could we expect them to win the league, if they're used to getting a pat on the back for finishing 7th. With Suarez, on top of his tremendous footballing skills, the man is a winner. You could see conceding a goal hurt him, even if we were 4-0 up. I could see the same mentality in Klopp, hopefully whatever it is, is contagious, as I don't think it's reasonable for us to expect Klopp to bring in 11 winners in the next couple of windows.

[Boss]

Running out of rep for Jairz in this thread.

[aRdja]

No of course I'm fucking not. Neither option was the right one. We should have got a better manager in.

 

Rafa was the right one.

[Shitty Arse]

It was fucking criminal getting rid of Benitez.

It's set us back decades.

[G Richards]

While I certainly understand where the OP is coming from, and in many ways I'm tempted to agree, I want to stand defiantly and summon some of Carragher's spirit, and declare loudly and proudly:

 

WHO'S BIGGER THAN LIVERPOOL?

 

Ok, I get it. It's easy to shoot this down and talk about living in the past and so on, and frankly, a quick glance at the league table (and most league tables in recent years for that matter) will provide a quick reality check. But let's not consign ourselves to mediocrity just yet.

 

We are at the start of a new cycle. We have one of the best managers in the world at the helm. We have money to spend. Granted, we're not the richest, but we are far from the poorest. If we keep investing at the sort of rate we've seen in recent years, only instead of squandering the money we actually invest it wisely, with a plan and purpose in mind for each player, why can't we compete at the highest level? Add to this world class coaching and enough nous to sift prospective players and make sure they have the right mentality - hunger, and a few leaders too among them too, then why can't we conquer all before us?

 

That's a lot of things to click together, granted, but surely that's why you get a world class manager? And even though we are in the doldrums right now, relatively speaking, we could easily be top four in this league with just the slightest bit of better luck this season, say with injury to Sturridge. So, even after years of squandering resources and not having any great plan, with a fairer wind we could be top four right now. And it has still far from gone this season!

 

So, as for mediocrity, I'm not having that! Sorry. Not now anyway. We're at the start of a new cycle. We've got a winner at the helm. He's asked us to stop doubting and believe, so I'm going to take him at his word and do just that. Obviously there's work to do. We're getting some iffy results, the squad lacks balance, and there are some players who clearly won't make it here. But I reckon Klopp is going to sort this out, and talk of mediocrity will look wide of the mark before too long.

 

Keep the faith. We are Liverpool. YNWA.

[jimmycase]

Liverpool is still a big club despite what other fans say. That's just to wind us up. Its not as if many clubs are growing bigger than us. Only city can say that in recent years and that's by wholly artificial means.

 

Spurs would get closer to us in some terms when they move into their new stadium and perhaps west ham but, neither of them are going to make much in roads on us.

 

By whatever means you measure it, LFC is one of the top 10 clubs in the world. In some respects like trophies won, there's not many clubs above use. We've won more European trophies than 2 or 3 other english clubs put together. There's not many 'elite' clubs in europe who've been Champions of europe more than us.

 

I dont subscribe to the idea that a big club contracts in size the longer it goes without winning things. Fuck if that was the measure spurs and the like are fucking miniature.

 

There's no doubt we have to get it right on the pitch though.

[INTORRESTING]

We could easily dine at the top table but we have wasted more money than any other club on total shit. It's a weak excuse. Mismanagement is the problem not money.

[magicrat]

We could easily dine at the top table but we have wasted more money than any other club on total shit. It's a weak excuse. Mismanagement is the problem not money.

 

It's both mate, 

[Soleilrouge]

Positives

 

We have the right man in charge who recognises shit when he sees it

We have about five/six players who are good enough to play in top teams in the premier league and who have some guts/ character

We have owners who will provide money to buy players and spend £30m plus when required

We are one goalkeeper, central defender and central midfielder away from sorting those areas

Can will emerge as a true leader on the pitch in the Souness mould

Klopp has shown he can buy players who have both class and character

Origi has the potential to go all the way

Benteke will be good once the tam starts playing to his strengths

 

Negatives

 

None of our front players bar Firmino have enough class/guts to make it and need to be replaced

Sturridge is finished as a top player (consistent contributor on a regular basis) and needs to be moved on at the right time - unlikely to be for decent money

We are wholly dependent on Klopp attracting the right players for these positions and this is difficult

We lack any real character in the club who knows about winning and need such a leader to emerge quickly

It will take at least two years before we know where we stand with Klopp

[thegreatelephant]

isn't it said that the definition of madness is doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result? our transfer strategy in full right there