Labour Leadership Contest

[Gnasher]

Whoever wins the Labour leadership will get hammered at the next election. The media will make sure of that. I was hoping the public would rely more on the Internet for their information at the last election but the old media outlets still rule. Cardiff University did an interesting review of media election coverage and to paraphrase their findings, it was a load of right wing bollocks. Among other things they contrasted the attention the BBC gave to a business letter organised by Grant Shapps (3 days prime airtime) to a letter written by doctors warning about the future of the health service (mentioned in passing).

 

Here's BBC political editor James Landall, who went to Eton with Cameron with an exclusive interview with the Prime Minister broadcast repeatedly on all their news channels.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32025336

 

The above was not a Party political broadcast by the Conservative party (apparently)

[Stu Monty]

I'm just not convinced that anything like enough people in this country give a flying fuck about 'going to war on the forces of neoliberalism' for it to be any kind of factor in winning the next election Stu. Possibly there will be more in 5 years time. I'd be surprised if there's enough though.

 

I know people hate the narrative that a left-wing candidate can't win a general election but I see nothing at all around me in daily life that makes me disbelieve it. That's just realism. Principles are great mate but I can't take them to the bank and pay my bills with them, one more Tory government after this one and I might as well just fucking gas myself.

Mate, Labour lost because the population didn't understand the facts. That's what I'm talking about with going to war. There has to be an effort to halt the slide to the right with clever communication and branding on staple policy of a social democracy. Corbyn seems to be the only one willing to ensure they aren't fighting every future election on away territory with a massive strategic disadvantage.

 

The battlefield needs shaping.

 

That's why they lost. That's what needs addressing.

[Section_31]

The animosity aimed at Corbyn from Labour ranks just shows you how we've all been conquered by a neo liberal coup. For a long time people thought of the likes of Umuna as relatively benign, but look how full of poison they all seem as soon as the people at the bottom make moves to take back what was initially a grass roots party. 

 

If he does get in, I hope it splits the party, I'd like to see how succesful a party of Umuna and Kendall is if it's no longer got the veneer of actually being a party of ordinary people, whcih it isn't, and hasn't been for years. It's a party of wanna be high brow liberals and ruthless careerists. 

[Anny Road]

We do not yet know who will be standing in the election for the Tories so it is tough to call. If it is to be Boris all bets are off.

[Section_31]

Hope it is boris, I think the media overstate his appeal drastically, most people think he's a scruffy spaz - which he is. Imagine him stood next to any other world statesman? Unreal. 

[lifetime fan]

Hope it is boris, I think the media overstate his appeal drastically, most people think he's a scruffy spaz - which he is. Imagine him stood next to any other world statesman? Unreal.

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the British public mate.

 

They're more than stupid enough to vote for the twat.

[Anny Road]

I think you overestimate the intelligence of the British public mate.

 

They're more than stupid enough to vote for the twat.

As is illustrated by him winning in London. I think he is far from stupid but would get decimated in the North.

[Gnasher]

Mate, Labour lost because the population didn't understand the facts. That's what I'm talking about with going to war. There has to be an effort to halt the slide to the right with clever communication and branding on staple policy of a social democracy. Corbyn seems to be the only one willing to ensure they aren't fighting every future election on away territory with a massive strategic disadvantage.

The battlefield needs shaping.

That's why they lost. That's what needs addressing.

How can the population "understand the facts" when the facts are so well hidden?

 

In this report on the election coverage from Cardiiff university media professes two thirds of economists disagreed with the govt policy on austerity, media coverage of this was zilch

 

https://imincorrigible.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/independent-research-proves-that-the-bbc-and-newspaper-election-coverage-was-biased-in-favour-of-the-conservative-party/

[Anubis]

How can the population "understand the facts" when the facts are so well hidden?

 

In this report on the election coverage from Cardiiff university media professes two thirds of economists disagreed with the govt policy on austerity, media coverage of this was zilch

 

https://imincorrigible.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/independent-research-proves-that-the-bbc-and-newspaper-election-coverage-was-biased-in-favour-of-the-conservative-party/

 

It's going to take a concerted effort - social media, boots on the ground, and austerity measures biting into people's lives.

 

There may be an opportunity here to turn the narrative around. Perhaps the last opportunity because, as Section says, we've virtually been conquered. If Corbyn does win the leadership contest I'll turn my registered support into membership. I'll also volunteer to help out and spread the alternative ideas. If he doesn't, but there is still a credible movement against the prevailing narrative I'll volunteer to help it. We sit on an Internet forum pining for change, but we're not getting off our arses and that has to change.

[Gnasher]

You think it can't get any worse? Think again. They are wheeling out Jack fucking Straw now.

[Jairzinho]

Got the first bit of election guff in the post today, Tom Watson's deputy campaign. Was going to vote for him anyway, but he's getting backed by Dennis Skinner which has removed any doubt.

[Jairzinho]

It's going to take a concerted effort - social media, boots on the ground, and austerity measures biting into people's lives.

 

There may be an opportunity here to turn the narrative around. Perhaps the last opportunity because, as Section says, we've virtually been conquered. If Corbyn does win the leadership contest I'll turn my registered support into membership. I'll also volunteer to help out and spread the alternative ideas. If he doesn't, but there is still a credible movement against the prevailing narrative I'll volunteer to help it. We sit on an Internet forum pining for change, but we're not getting off our arses and that has to change.

 

Speak for yourself you arse sitting arse sitter.

[Turkish Delight]

I just had a call from Andy Burnham's team inviting me to a talk in town on Monday evening.  Clearly a demonstration that he doesn't represent the 'red' part of the Labour party as I might have gone if I didn't have other sport related plans as he'll be my second choice.

 

I'm beginning to find Yvette Cooper quite irritating.  She seems to have swallowed wholeheartedly the Tory rhetoric on anything other than neoliberalism as being outdated without giving any explanation as to to why that is the case.  As far as I can see she speaks in soundbites and despite taking an active interest in this campaign I'm still unclear as to what she actually stands for.  I think she would be another Ed Miliband if she's elected as I just can't see how people will take to her  as a person and she is too sketchy on what she would actually deliver.  An absolute non-entity in my opinion.

 

I'll be voting Corbyn first, Burnham second and Cooper third mainly because she isn't Kendall.

[janmolby]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02zggwp

[Hooch]

I think Cooper has identified two buzzwords: "outdated" and "old" as the key to dismissing Corbyn. Basically association to his appearance as he is of a certain age.

No substance behind those words will be offered, but some people are so thick that will be enough to sway them.

 

The others will start using those 2 words too over the next few weeks, just watch.

[Stu Monty]

Corbyn needs youth around him to counter that. Creasy possibly.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I'm sti waiting for any confirmation Inhave been accepted to vote. My registration is being reviewed.

 

I paid a fiver for the privilege to have this vote. Took my money as well.

 

Corbyn and Watson for me.

[Jairzinho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-H8lFzJkRk

 

She's so fucking shit I almost feel sorry for her.

[Sut]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-H8lFzJkRk

 

She's so fucking shit I almost feel sorry for her.

 

[Hooch]

That bit at about 4:13, basically invited to offer a message of what she will offer like JC has, just rambles on about preventing kids in poverty or something, blah blah blah.

[RoboRiise]

Do you think Cooper would win the next election?

 

I think that with the right support from within the party and the right focus on policy areas that affect the day to day lives of the huge chunk of the electorate who work but earn less than say £25k a year, she would have the best chance of winning an election out of the four Labour leadership contenders.  Whether I think she would win or not is open to considerably more debate.

 

It's hard for me to give a straight answer to the question you're asking simply because there are so many variables to take into account this far away from an election.

 

The reason I'm able to be more certain about Corbyn is that there hasn't been a general election since I got the vote for 1990 in which I've sensed any kind of appetite for a genuine left wing government amongst enough people to give such a candidate a prayer of winning and if you want to go back a bit further, 1983 provides a decent blueprint for how I see Corbyn fighting a general election panning out.

[Jairzinho]

I think that with the right support from within the party and the right focus on policy areas that affect the day to day lives of the huge chunk of the electorate who work but earn less than say £25k a year, she would have the best chance of winning an election out of the four Labour leadership contenders.  Whether I think she would win or not is open to considerably more debate.

 

It's hard for me to give a straight answer to the question you're asking simply because there are so many variables to take into account this far away from an election.

 

The reason I'm able to be more certain about Corbyn is that there hasn't been a general election since I got the vote for 1990 in which I've sensed any kind of appetite for a genuine left wing government amongst enough people to give such a candidate a prayer of winning and if you want to go back a bit further, 1983 provides a decent blueprint for how I see Corbyn fighting a general election panning out.

 

Fair enough, I'm the opposite. I'd put Cooper, Burnham, and Kendall at 0% chance of winning the next election, but Corbyn at about 0.1%.

 

I'm not convinced that an election that took place 37 years before 2020 has a huge amount of relevance. Neo liberalism was in it's infancy then, Falklands, etc, etc. I just don't think a comparison tells us anything.

 

I think if it's one of the other three then it's essentially an acceptance of neo liberalism, and with it austerity. Legitimising a constant movement of money from the poor to the rich.

[Strontium]

Hope it is boris, I think the media overstate his appeal drastically, most people think he's a scruffy spaz - which he is. Imagine him stood next to any other world statesman? Unreal. 

 

I like to imagine him stood next to Kim Jong-un as he's touring the latter's collection of shark-infested swimming pools.

[dennis tooth]

People are losing sight here, corbyn can win the next general election but thats not the end game because he then would be a lame duck in charge of a divided party a divided nation with the big sharks circling for blood the elites and security services bent on economic sabotage to teach us all finally to accept neo liberalism and prove socialism cant work by basically causing us to starve, financial markets will close to us and corbyn will end up not lasting his term or becoming hated ala syrizia the new neo liberal disciples.

 

The elites have plans a to z in place for this possibility.

Corbyns plans would be economically viable in theory but naive to think in practice vested interests with a lot more power will just accept him putting his plans in place, to the system hes not a threat.

[Bobby Hundreds]

See the likes of Mark Steel and Ken Loach have been denied a chance to vote because they do not support Labours core values.