Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Hows it bollocks? It sounds like Tories saying the stupid working class are too thick to have an opinion.

 

If at a general election some Tory Lord was saying the the stupid impoverished dont know how to vote or use a pencil so their opinion is worthless. What would you say?

 

You were generalising towards "Remain voters." 

 

Plenty of superior attitudes on the leave side, but obviously that is not a true reflection on everyone who is voting leave. 

[FanchesterCity]

Hows it bollocks? It sounds like Tories saying the stupid working class are too thick to have an opinion.

 

If at a general election some Tory Lord was saying the the stupid impoverished dont know how to vote or use a pencil so their opinion is worthless. What would you say?

 

To be fair, we aren't too thick to have an opinion, but we are too thick to know what the best option really is. In truth, it would seem hardly anybody is really bright enough to know the correct decision to make, and of those that do, we (the public) are unable to discern who they are in order to listen to them. It's a bloody lottery truth be told and most of us are going off instinct (with various degrees of logic / reason behind it).

[Anny Road]

You were generalising towards "Remain voters." 

 

Plenty of superior attitudes on the leave side, but obviously that is not a true reflection on everyone who is voting leave. 

Fair point I did generalise. Not intentionally. Apologies.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Fair point I did generalise. Not intentionally. Apologies.

 

No problems, we just have to realise that there is good and bad on both sides of any campaign, vote or indeed people in general. 

[Champ]

Farage tentatively conceding too. Saying looks like remain has "edged it"...

Final polls have been released and have it 52/48 remain.

How can they know? It's not like the exit pollsters covered themselves in glory at the last election

[Curly]

Hows it bollocks? It sounds like Tories saying the stupid working class are too thick to have an opinion.

 

If at a general election some Tory Lord was saying the the stupid impoverished dont know how to vote or use a pencil so their opinion is worthless. What would you say?

It's not just the tories mate. My mate sees himself as a hardcore socialist and he is the most patronising person to discuss it with.

[jimmycase]

Farage tentatively conceding too. Saying looks like remain has "edged it"...

 

Final polls have been released and have it 52/48 remain.

 

Think I'll wait for the proper poll result myself.

 

EDIT Fucking lenovo laptop keyboards are shite!

[FanchesterCity]

How can they know? It's not like the exit pollsters covered themselves in glory at the last election

 

More likely playing games... a) to try and rally the leave voters by making sure they don't get complacent and assume they've won and B) hedging their bets early in case they do lose by playing the 'very sporting losers' card.

 

One of the saddest aspects about this whole campaign, and probably more so from the leave campaigners is the political angling that the referendum has afforded. I say the leavers are the worst because 'leave' is changing the status quo and therefore that's the bandwaggon any political opportunist will jump on - because it's the only way to nudge Cameron out rapidly and jump considerably higher up the Tory leadership (or in Boris' case to the very top)

[Guest Pistonbroke]

How can they know? It's not like the exit pollsters covered themselves in glory at the last election

 

They can't, not at such an early stage. 

[Mathewbet1]

It's based on the high turnout

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

How can they know? It's not like the exit pollsters covered themselves in glory at the last election

Indeed. Britain Stronger In Europe are taking the YouGov poll lightly. I think that's the wisest approach.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Gove and Boris already licking Cameron's arse, well I never. 

[Nightcat]

former yougov president kellner is the spouse of the former eu foreign affairs commissioner. 

 

what a coincidence. 

[Brownie]

The Tories (all but 60 odd of them) have signed a letter uniting behind Cameron no matter the result, including lots of the Leave campaigners.

 

So about this implosion...

[FanchesterCity]

The Tories (all but 60 odd of them) have signed a letter uniting behind Cameron no matter the result, including lots of the Leave campaigners.

 

So about this implosion...

 

They have to do though. Behind the scenes will be another matter.

The first thing either side will do is claim they are right behind the public's decision and can get along just fine with the decision. Give it a couple of months (possibly weeks) and the repercussions (knives) will start to appear.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

The Tories (all but 60 odd of them) have signed a letter uniting behind Cameron no matter the result, including lots of the Leave campaigners.

 

So about this implosion...

 

Just mentioned it above, Gove and Johnson are licking arse already, Cameron will just be a smug fucker and accept them back into the fold as if nothing has happened. They'll be planning future bumming's for the public once they have had their well earned summer recess and the dust settles.

 

Obviously the EU will be blamed for everything. 

[Stouffer]

I do find the superior attitude of remains voters distasteful. Not all leave voters are doing so on the basis of the Daily Mail and immigrant bashing.

I feel that attitude has probably motivated some of the more unsavory elements of leave to rally.

Good point.

[FanchesterCity]

The biggest irony in all this (in my opinion) is that if we vote Remain, then we've played our wildcard in Europe and they know we won't hold another referendum. In my opinion, that makes our bargaining position weaker, not stronger.

 

Still, I'm a remain voter, but this referendum was always a nice 'threat' towards the EU - we've used that now.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Sunderland can fuck off with their race to declare first. Twats running round with ballot boxes etc. Just take your time and make sure you count them properly.

[Anny Road]

The biggest irony in all this (in my opinion) is that if we vote Remain, then we've played our wildcard in Europe and they know we won't hold another referendum. In my opinion, that makes our bargaining position weaker, not stronger.

 

Still, I'm a remain voter, but this referendum was always a nice 'threat' towards the EU - we've used that now.

Mentioned something similar earlier on. Our position is significantly weaker.

[FanchesterCity]

Sunderland can fuck off with their race to declare first. Twats running round with ballot boxes etc. Just take your time and make sure you count them properly.

 

Quite. It's not a bloody game, or entertainment. It's about the future of a nation.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

It's about time that instead of ballot papers with a cross that a fail safe electronic programme was brought in.  

[Captain]

It's about time that instead of ballot papers with a cross that a fail safe electronic programme was brought in.  

 

Fail safe electronic program?

 

Fucking hell.

[magicrat]

The biggest irony in all this (in my opinion) is that if we vote Remain, then we've played our wildcard in Europe and they know we won't hold another referendum. In my opinion, that makes our bargaining position weaker, not stronger.

 

Still, I'm a remain voter, but this referendum was always a nice 'threat' towards the EU - we've used that now.

Don't agree . they are shitting themselves in Brussels that even if the UK votes remain it will signal cries for further referenda as nationalistic parties are on the rise, I actually think there is real chance the EU will be forced to reform and the UK should be driving that process, Uncontrolled movement across borders is clearly a key issue not just for the UK  

[FanchesterCity]

Get the same team in that did the website!