Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

Im sure the millions of  poor suffering from poverty in the eu will take comfort from the g7 bullshit in southern france.

[Trumo]

39 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

...but the current system means if you are a nurse from Ghana you have less rights than a nurse from hungary. Thats a fact. In you and your followers  world its right in my world its not.

 

I'm not in any gang but if the difference in the right to work you've pointed out above is actually true, maybe it is pertinent to point out that if Brexit happens (be it with a compromise or a No Deal), the nurse from Hungary will end up with the same rights as the one from Ghana. Since you're saying the one from Ghana is worse off (thanks to the EU closing off the avenues to having the same rights), that means both will have a tougher time of it. Sticking with nursing as an example, a lot of vacancies are currently being filled by people from outside the UK. With Brexit, how likely are those positions to be re-filled by UK citizens when those from outside the UK are basically told to sling their hook? I'm not well-read enough on the topic but it seems to be a case of people from here not so much not being able to do the job, but not wanting to do the job. And that goes for many roles currently being filled by people from abroad. However little rights they may have, and however bad their working conditions might be, they are here because it is still miles better than whatever is available back home.

 

A question (not just for Gnasher but for anybody who thinks they can pitch in): Is there an example of a right-far-right regime that has led to genuine growth and prosperity for the populace it rules over?

 

I'm thinking of that blonde gobshite economics student from Good Will Hunting who tries to put Will down by saying he'll be serving the guy's kids their fries during a skiing trip. He's going to need somebody to serve those fries but the only people who'd be willing to do it are the ones he and his ilk are trying to denigrate, demonise and cast aside - the poor, the less-educated, the foreign...

[Trumo]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Im sure the millions of  poor suffering from poverty in the eu will take comfort from the g7 bullshit in southern france.

 

I'm sure Boris and the Brexiteers have got the welfare of the UK's impoverished foremost in their thoughts for a future outside the EU's nefarious clutches.

[Gnasher]

Its like speaking to climate warming deniers. The evidence is there, in front of your face.

 

Eu austerity does not work.

 

The eu policy on free movement drives down wages for the low paid.

 

Eu expansion has not workerd.

 

The eu policy on putting services out to tender has not workerd.

 

 

[Mudface]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Its like speaking to climate warming deniers. The evidence is there, in front of your face.

 

Eu austerity does not work.

 

The eu policy on free movement drives down wages for the low paid.

 

Eu expansion has not workerd.

 

The eu policy on putting services out to tender has not workerd.

 

 

Aside from EU expansion, all those are very much Tory policies and won't change following Brexit, except maybe getting even worse when they use the ensuing economic chaos as an excuse.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Its like speaking to climate warming deniers. The evidence is there, in front of your face.

 

Eu austerity does not work.

 

The eu policy on free movement drives down wages for the low paid.

 

Eu expansion has not workerd.

 

The eu policy on putting services out to tender has not workerd.

 

 

Austerity is a UK Goverment policy more than an EU one. Nobody here defends it.

 

The UK Government's suppression of workers' rights drives down wages and promotes the exploitation of migrant workers, to the detriment of the lowest paid UK workers. 

 

EU expansion has successfully reduced poverty and inequality in Eastern Europe (although, admittedly, there is room for more improvement).

 

Privatisation is a UK Government policy more than an EU one.  Nobody here defends it.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

You got a gang alllright angry and you know and use it

It's not a gang: it's the team that I manage in Strasbourg.  They follow and obey me with a mixture of love and terror. When they're not on here, they spend their days dreaming up new ways to force cuts and privatisation on the captive peoples of our European empire. They're mostly a bit dim and some of them smell, but they are fiercely loyal to me and driven by an unrelenting zeal for neoliberalism.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Austerity is a UK Goverment policy more than an EU one. Nobody here defends it.

No, no. Sorry. You defend it. So do I. Even though we’ve both got a record of opposing it on here, hundreds of times, because we don’t want a No Deal Brexit that will harm the economy and make life worse for the poorest and most needy, we are pro-austerity and want to fuck over the poor and needy, unlike Gnasher who is happy to fuck over the poor and needy in defence of the poor and needy. 

 

That’s literally the logic he has used on here. There’s no way treating him as somebody reasonable who can be convinced by sound arguments will work. Now, stop being a fan of austerity and support the No Deal Brexit that will almost certainly bring more austerity. 

[Jose Jones]

16 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

No, no. Sorry. You defend it. So do I. Even though we’ve both got a record of opposing it on here, hundreds of times, because we don’t want a No Deal Brexit that will harm the economy and make life worse for the poorest and most needy, we are pro-austerity and want to fuck over the poor and needy, unlike Gnasher who is happy to fuck over the poor and needy in defence of the poor and needy. 

 

That’s literally the logic he has used on here. There’s no way treating him as somebody reasonable who can be convinced by sound arguments will work. Now, stop being a fan of austerity and support the No Deal Brexit that will almost certainly bring more austerity. 

Should have known you'd be the first of Angry's gang of luvvies to back him up.

[mattyq]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Its like speaking to climate warming deniers. The evidence is there, in front of your face.

 

Eu austerity does not work.

 

The eu policy on free movement drives down wages for the low paid.

 

Eu expansion has not workerd.

 

The eu policy on putting services out to tender has not workerd.

EU expansion certainly has worked

Poland's GDP has risen $305 billion pa since accession

Who do you think we sell all our shit too if we remain?

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

17 minutes ago, mattyq said:

EU expansion certainly has worked

Poland's GDP has risen $305 billion pa since accession

Who do you think we sell all our shit too if we remain?

 

According to the link that Gnasher posted, GDP growth in Bulgaria and Romania has been faster than in the whole of the EU since their accession. Expansion has worked for them too.

[No2]

That Ghanaian nurse will be picking Strawberries on Jacob Rees Moggs mates farm soon enough for £8 a day plus lodgings.

[Stickman]

Can't blame her I mean what's Europe ever done for her??

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49483374

 

Jeremy Corbyn says opposition MPs will take the first steps towards trying to pass a law blocking a no-deal Brexit when Parliament returns next week.

The Labour leader was speaking after meeting other opposition leaders to discuss ways of averting a no deal.

The move could force the PM to ask the EU for a further Brexit delay, beyond the current 31 October deadline...

 

At present, the default position in law is that the UK leaves the EU on 31 October with or without a deal.

MPs opposed to no deal want to pass a new law to change that.

They have already done that once - in April, faced with the possibility of a no-deal exit on the original Brexit date of 29 March, they passed a law forcing Theresa May to ask for an extension to the UK's EU membership.

Repeating that approach would require MPs against no deal to first take control of the parliamentary timetable.

This time round it will be harder because there are limited opportunities for MPs to do that, but one possible option would be as part of an emergency debate - a topical matter added to Commons business at short notice.

Sources have told the BBC opposition MPs plan to apply for an emergency debate as soon as next Tuesday or Wednesday.

It is understood they hope to use the debate to set out a number of dates on which MPs would decide business - meaning Parliament could discuss legislation aimed at stopping no deal.

That could involve cancelling the conference recess in September though that is not yet confirmed. The MPs are confident the Speaker John Bercow will allow the move.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

I think we need to see a picture of the Hungarian and Ghanan nurses. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I think we need to see a picture of the Hungarian and Ghanan nurses. 

They could be male nurses.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

They could be male nurses.

So? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

minden lyuk célja

[Gnasher]

19 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

No, no. Sorry. You defend it. So do I. Even though we’ve both got a record of opposing it on here, hundreds of times, because we don’t want a No Deal Brexit that will harm the economy and make life worse for the poorest and most needy, we are pro-austerity and want to fuck over the poor and needy, unlike Gnasher who is happy to fuck over the poor and needy in defence of the poor and needy. 

 

That’s literally the logic he has used on here. There’s no way treating him as somebody reasonable who can be convinced by sound arguments will work. Now, stop being a fan of austerity and support the No Deal Brexit that will almost certainly bring more austerity. 

There is very little criticism of eu led austerity on this thread numero. There may be elsewhere but the eu gets an easy rap on here. Its certainly not consistent with the general population.

 

There is also very little comment on the eu push for privatisation not is there imo a resonable ananalyis on the pros and cons of free movement.

 

There was very little condemnation of the eu role in the defeat of a socialist government in greece 

 

Very little thought on the yellow vest protests in france or the high youth unemployment rate across europe.

 

https://www.socialeurope.eu/poverty-and-inequality-in-europe

[Numero Veinticinco]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

There is very little criticism of eu led austerity on this thread numero. There may be elsewhere but the eu gets an easy rap on here. Its certainly not consistent with the general population.

 

There is also very little comment on the eu push for privatisation not is there imo a resonable ananalyis on the pros and cons of free movement.

 

There was very little condemnation of the eu role in the defeat of a socialist government in greece 

 

Very little thought on the yellow vest protests in france or the high youth unemployment rate across europe.

 

https://www.socialeurope.eu/poverty-and-inequality-in-europe

There’s also very little condemnation of Hitler, but we shouldn’t jump to assume that it’s because we all agree with his methods or aims. It’s because there’s nothing to debate. We all, presumably, hate everything Hitler stood for so we don’t need to spend hours talking about it. 

 

It is is quite possible to dislike some, most, or all of the methods used by the EU whilst acknowledging that if the chosen cure is even worse, which no deal is, it would be daft to do it. The rest is really just waffle. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's this bollocks notion of "EU-led austerity" that is the fundamental flaw in all your criticism of the EU. In recent decades the EU has promoted neoliberal economics  (and the racist "Fortress Europe" policies) and they fully deserve to be criticised for it: I'm sure plenty of the "luvvies" in my "gang" have campaigned against these things.  But you are just plain wrong to say that austerity is "EU-led". The UK has long been the main driver of neoliberalism in the EU: Brexit just hands more power to the cunts who want to turbocharge it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

There is also very little comment on the eu push for privatisation not is there imo a resonable ananalyis on the pros and cons of free movement.

 

There has been plenty of discussion of the pros and cons of free movement: the only reason you claim it's not reasonable analysis is that a lot of people on here  disagree with your conclusions.

[Moo]

Clearly, talking to Gnasher about this is like talking to a brick wall, he's not worth the effort, few staunch Brexiteers are.  You could acknowledge every single point he makes as having some merit under different circumstances, he will never afford the same in return. 

[Creator Supreme]

6 hours ago, Stickman said:

Can't blame her I mean what's Europe ever done for her??

 

 

Stupid whorebag!

[Tj hooker]

BBC News - Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

 

So much for giving democracy back to parliament then