Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

There will always be loopholes in all finacial rules. As soon as you bring something in to close one, another will open up. It's kept accountants going for years. I don't really blame those clubs for doing what they're doing. We'd do the same if we needed to. 

 

Let's face it, I am more likely to find myself balls deep in the Pussycat Dolls than Liverpool FC are to be in a position where they're in danger of breaching FFP rules.

[an tha]

4 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

If we're letting a newcomer from the Eredivisie dictate our transfer strategy in any substantial manner, we are dead.

 

I'm choosing to believe the alternative, which is that the reason given why we aren't buying anyone at the moment is nonsense.

I'd prefer to believe that the man who has to work with the players, whose tactics they will be asked to implement - the man who is responsible for picking the team, and therefore the make up of it will have a good say in things, working as part of a team with the shared goal of what is best for the football club.

 

 

[Anubis]

9 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Not sure if I'm missing the sarcasm but just in case this is a serious post...

 

 

He was being sarcastic.

[an tha]

4 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

To be honest, I really don't understand why you think this is all so difficult for us to do. We're not in some unique position, lots of clubs have new managers and do every summer and just get on with business. They don't need to see them all showering to decide if the squad needs additions. It is why we have data. It is why slot has been watching videos. It is why we hired him I assume, that he already had knowledge of our squad and had done his research. It all just smacks of the summer of Rodgers to be honest. Get a manager who is so delighted and surprised to be here, it's pretty easy to push him around. 

How many clubs in the PL in recent years have replaced a manager who had been there for 8 years and done so in a summer where there was a european championship and a south american one?

 

As it stands he has had 2 weeks with nowhere near a full squad and a behind closed doors game v Preston.

 

What is strange or hard to understand about the feller wanting/needing time to properly assess what he has, what he feels he needs and frankly seeing what what he has can and can't do in terms of what he wants them too.

 

It is July 22nd - the window closes on 30th August. I am sure he can get a decent handle on stuff by then, and make one or two calls if he feels he needs to/wants to. But for my money let the lad have at least a couple of weeks with his team so he can set out his stall and work from there.

[Horus]

28 minutes ago, an tha said:

How many clubs in the PL in recent years have replaced a manager who had been there for 8 years and done so in a summer where there was a european championship and a south american one?

 

As it stands he has had 2 weeks with nowhere near a full squad and a behind closed doors game v Preston.

 

What is strange or hard to understand about the feller wanting/needing time to properly assess what he has, what he feels he needs and frankly seeing what what he has can and can't do in terms of what he wants them too.

 

It is July 22nd - the window closes on 30th August. I am sure he can get a decent handle on stuff by then, and make one or two calls if he feels he needs to/wants to. But for my money let the lad have at least a couple of weeks with his team so he can set out his stall and work from there.

 

Just wondering why the length of tenure by the previous manager has any bearing.

 

Moyes took over a league winning side, and missed out on Bale, Kroos, and Fabregas in 2013, but ended up with Felliani. Despite ferguson being there for 26 years. Us ending up with what's both the cheapest options and what's left over seems to be an eerily similar approach.

 

Do transfer fees come down the closer we get to the end of August? LFC journo's reporting we're not doing anything for at least the next 2 weeks.

[Barrington Womble]

37 minutes ago, Code said:

Dont Slot have a TV or a computer?

 

The club will have all kind of data and videoes from our games and the players.

 

The idea that he will need to see them all together in training before making any kind of judgement is mental. 

Slot has already said he's been watching videos of training before he joined the club. 

26 minutes ago, an tha said:

How many clubs in the PL in recent years have replaced a manager who had been there for 8 years and done so in a summer where there was a european championship and a south american one?

 

As it stands he has had 2 weeks with nowhere near a full squad and a behind closed doors game v Preston.

 

What is strange or hard to understand about the feller wanting/needing time to properly assess what he has, what he feels he needs and frankly seeing what what he has can and can't do in terms of what he wants them too.

 

It is July 22nd - the window closes on 30th August. I am sure he can get a decent handle on stuff by then, and make one or two calls if he feels he needs to/wants to. But for my money let the lad have at least a couple of weeks with his team so he can set out his stall and work from there.

 

Come on, how long klopp was here was a benefit, not a hindrance. He left behind a club in decent shape and a squad that needs just a little help. It's all well and good saying "it's euros year", but that applies to all clubs. As I said before, it hasn't stopped other clubs with new managers.

 

I don't see what you think he can possibly gain from a few training sessions in person, he could get from watching many of our games and training sessions he has available to him. It's not like he's restricted to see what we can see on sky, he'll have all the angles, can see whatever he wants. Honestly, if you genuinely think he needs to see them to assess them, then he better not buy anyone, because he'll learn fuck all before the window closes, some of the players aren't back till the end of the first week of August. And there are certain players in our squad, like konate, Jota and jones, you don't need to see them, tbeir biggest weakness is their lack of availability. You don't need to see konate train to know he's carried injuries for most of the last 5 years. 

 

I don't see we have anyone who absolutely needs selling (unless contract situations or big offers come in). All the first team squad from last will get a crack. But then it's just a numbers and balance game. And there are gaps, both from the squad not being big enough last season and the pair who left. 

 

All this holding back is about is kicking the can and hoping we can get away without soending. They did the same last summer. Henderson and fabinho left and they did virtually nothing till the end of the window and picked up 2 players they could have bought and integrated months earlier and couldn't be more average if you tried., we didn't hold on to get the best talent. 

 

Integrating players is as important as anything Slot will do this summer. Well if he gets any to integrate. And the longer we give him to do that, the higher his chances of success. He's not choosing the players anyway, that'll be done by Hughes and his team. 

[an tha]

23 minutes ago, Horus said:

 

Just wondering why the length of tenure by the previous manager has any bearing.

 

Moyes took over a league winning side, and missed out on Bale, Kroos, and Fabregas in 2013, but ended up with Felliani. Despite ferguson being there for 26 years. Us ending up with what's both the cheapest options and what's left over seems to be an eerily similar approach.

 

Do transfer fees come down the closer we get to the end of August? LFC journo's reporting we're not doing anything for at least the next 2 weeks.

It reflects the scale of the change we are experiencing - 8 years of such a unique and such a strong identity. Something that frankly now rarely happens. Klopp was easily the longest serving manager in the league at the time of him leaving.

 

Now we have to start afresh - when it was not expected at all. It is a huge and unplanned change.

 

As for fees what is your point?. If and when we make a move we'll negotiate based on what we believe is the right player and price - personally i am quite content to wait until those who are paid to do the job decide they want to and I trust them to do their job.

 

We can choose to stamp our feet and demand new signings now or we can patiently wait and see what the club do and consider the  circumstances they are in and trust that there is a process in place to do what they believe is right. I can't for a moment believe where things are today it is possible to have bought any new players in yet this summer.

[an tha]

58 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Slot has already said he's been watching videos of training before he joined the club. 

 

Come on, how long klopp was here was a benefit, not a hindrance. He left behind a club in decent shape and a squad that needs just a little help. It's all well and good saying "it's euros year", but that applies to all clubs. As I said before, it hasn't stopped other clubs with new managers.

 

I don't see what you think he can possibly gain from a few training sessions in person, he could get from watching many of our games and training sessions he has available to him. It's not like he's restricted to see what we can see on sky, he'll have all the angles, can see whatever he wants. Honestly, if you genuinely think he needs to see them to assess them, then he better not buy anyone, because he'll learn fuck all before the window closes, some of the players aren't back till the end of the first week of August. And there are certain players in our squad, like konate, Jota and jones, you don't need to see them, tbeir biggest weakness is their lack of availability. You don't need to see konate train to know he's carried injuries for most of the last 5 years. 

 

I don't see we have anyone who absolutely needs selling (unless contract situations or big offers come in). All the first team squad from last will get a crack. But then it's just a numbers and balance game. And there are gaps, both from the squad not being big enough last season and the pair who left. 

 

All this holding back is about is kicking the can and hoping we can get away without soending. They did the same last summer. Henderson and fabinho left and they did virtually nothing till the end of the window and picked up 2 players they could have bought and integrated months earlier and couldn't be more average if you tried., we didn't hold on to get the best talent. 

 

Integrating players is as important as anything Slot will do this summer. Well if he gets any to integrate. And the longer we give him to do that, the higher his chances of success. He's not choosing the players anyway, that'll be done by Hughes and his team. 

He'll surely tell them the positions and the types he wants and they'll work with him to find them - is it unreasonable to suggest that after 2 weeks of working with a shadow squad in a brand new job that he simply just does not yet know?

 

I don't think so.

 

Will an enormous amount change in the next month to make those decisions? No not really i'd say - but it will at least be a bit more informed than it is now. My own original view was very much that we'd likely do nothing of note until Jan and then next summer, but I feel we might be able to do one or two before 30th August - if they feel they are ready/able to.

 

I feel he wants first team back for 2 weeks, he gets an idea of what he’s working with and what he’s missing for his system and ideas to work and then moves will be made.

 

I really don't know what people think we could have realisitcally done so far and based on what...

 

 

[Horus]

15 minutes ago, an tha said:

It reflects the scale of the change we are experiencing - 8 years of such a unique and such a strong identity. Something that frankly now rarely happens. Klopp was easily the longest serving manager in the league at the time of him leaving.

 

Now we have to start afresh - when it was not expected at all. It is a huge and unplanned change.

 

As for fees what is your point?. If and when we make a move we'll negotiate based on what we believe is the right player and price - personally i am quite content to wait until those who are paid to do the job decide they want to and I trust them to do their job.

 

We can choose to stamp our feet and demand new signings now or we can patiently wait and see what the club do and consider the  circumstances they are in and trust that there is a process in place to do what they believe is right. I can't for a moment believe where things are today it is possible to have bought any new players in yet this summer.

 

 

We've known change was coming for months and months. Slot was brought in early, and I still don't get why how long the previous man was in post, should have any bearing. Either we needed squad improvement under Klopp, or we didn't, and if we did, we still know the same flaws exist.

 

My point regarding fees is that we're cheap. Folks can support FSG or not, but it's difficult to argue against that point. So if things are going to cost more and more, the closer we get to September, then we'll either have to go further and further down our list of targets (another Endo - good player but not at the level required), or we'll have to completely scrap a transfer in a position we might have been targeting at the start of summer.

 

I'm not arsed about yoro, but he was a player we briefed about, said we were there if Madrid fell through, then backed out as soon as we couldn't hide behind Madrid. Basically I don't trust the people that run the club to be truthful about anything.

 

No one is stamping their feet, my brother. I only asked you a question about where you were coming from - we're all entitled to our opinions.

[3 Stacks]

There is absolutely no argument for waiting some arbitrary period of time until Slot "sees what he has". It's absurd. This has never been a thing.

[Jose Jones]

2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

The main scouts and data guy were all still there.

Yeah but they don’t make any decisions on what the team needs or what the budget is, or do any negotiating.
They just identify players - which is why we have only signed a couple of kids for peanuts.

The decisions on big money players needed people in Edwards, Hughes and Slot’s roles in place and we basically only had Klopp and he was leaving.
 

FSG basically gave up on having any decision making structure for a couple of years.

 

[The wanderer]

4 hours ago, an tha said:

It isn't weird at all.

 

The feller has had pretty much no time at all to look at what he has, how that is likely to work with what he wants - how the players have reacted and so on.

 

How can decisions be made in those circunstances.

 

As for 'say' i would imagine once he has identified what he wants he'll put that forward and then those involved will work with him to find the best solution.

 

I get it that everyone wants shiny new toys, especially when others are getting them - but for my money it is a case of simply giving it time so the right solutions are found to the things the manager feels he wants sorting - as it stands he simply does not yet know - he simply can't given he hasn't even spent a second in training yet with his full squad.

 

There is likely already be a number of players who the club have identified as potential options in each position once Slot says 'I want' and we may well move on one or two of those before deadline day - but I wouldn't be massively surprised if we wait until Jan/next summer.

 

Slot will be backed - there is no doubt about that - and hopefully it will be in a sensible, structured manner with decisions made when are in best position to, not rushed and without the necessary time/insight/learnings to make them properly.

 

There is just so much change that has had to be enacted in such a short space of time and it is just not conjusive to being in a position to make informed, considered and planned decisions right now.

 

 

Yeah , while our lot have been sitting on their hands Arsenal have signed an academy keeper from Ajax , City have signed a winger from Troyes, Newcastle have signed a 19 year old Serbian midfielder. Missing out here big time.

[Carvalho Diablo]

The only reason why we haven't been active in the transfer window yet is FSG are penny pinching tight wads.

 

Same every year.

[Barnesey]

Prudent owners v sugar daddy

 

Same argument every window. 

[Freddo]

Waiting until January or next summer is simply deranged thinking.

Let's see how it pans out, but to say that Slot needs to see all the players together to make decisions is frankly ridiculous. He'll have a pretty good understanding of what each senior player can offer. If he doesn't he hasn't prepared himself enough.

And we all know there is no value to be had in January, said tongue firmly in cheek. 

Maybe Hughes doesn't understand the leve he's working at. This isn't Bournemouth is it.

[Daisy]

More like waiting to sell Diaz, Kelleher, Phillips 

[Scott_M]

2 minutes ago, Freddo said:

Maybe Hughes doesn't understand the leve he's working at. This isn't Bournemouth is it.

He’s more or less told us what to expect. 

[Scott_M]

4 hours ago, The wanderer said:

Yeah , while our lot have been sitting on their hands Arsenal have signed an academy keeper from Ajax , City have signed a winger from Troyes, Newcastle have signed a 19 year old Serbian midfielder. Missing out here big time.

Quite. 
 

Only Villa and the mancs have done anything of note yet. 
 

It’s obviously preferable to get things done early, it quite obvious it wasn’t going to be that way this summer. We’ve been told what to expect.

[Anubis]

4 hours ago, The wanderer said:

Yeah , while our lot have been sitting on their hands Arsenal have signed an academy keeper from Ajax , City have signed a winger from Troyes, Newcastle have signed a 19 year old Serbian midfielder. Missing out here big time.

 

 

Curious that you use Newcaatle and not Villa, who are coming up on our arse. 

[Scott_M]

Some genuinely disappointing news. 

[Scott_M]

3 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Curious that you use Newcaatle and not Villa, who are coming up on our arse. 

Villa who have signed Onana & Maatsen and sold Luiz & Diaby? 

[Anubis]

Yes, and we've lost Matip and Thiago.

[The wanderer]

10 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Curious that you use Newcaatle and not Villa, who are coming up on our arse. 

Yeah they signed some stunners . I can imagine the posts on here if we signed Onana and Ross Barkley on a free. Some kind of reference to cheap signings maybe.

[Anubis]

In other news, Spearman’s blag cousin is, you’ll be shocked, saying Ederson is off. Quite funny watching him get shredded.

[Anubis]

1 minute ago, The wanderer said:

Yeah they signed some stunners . I can imagine the posts on here if we signed Onana and Ross Barkley on a free. Some kind of reference to cheap signings maybe.

No, some kind of reference

to you having deliberately avoided mentioning them - whatever you think of their signings - because they are more relevant than Newcastle but inconvenient to your narrative.