Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

[an tha]

The head coach wanting to see all his squad together, implementing his ideas and seeing who fits and who may not and where he feels he wants change is not exactly weird is it.

 

The problem is the poxy situation where it will be less than a fortnight before the season starts before he is afforded that opportunity.

 

This coming season for my money will largely be one of transition - we won't fully know what the 'new' post Klopp Liverpool looks like until next season when Slot and his team has had time to look properly at what and who he wants, who he does not and of course the players who are likely to leave leave have made their decisions, or the club has.

 

It is really lousy timing having to make all the changes we have and still likely need to make  in a messed up summer - but that is nobody's fault really....Klopp made his decision and we as a club have had to play the hand been dealt as a result.

 

Hopefully Slot is a good enough coach to get decent results out of what he is inheriting without being able to really properly shape it and can somehow get a team that will barely have had a week or so of pre-season together properly to start the season with some sort of idea.

 

If we do sign one or two which would probably be deadline day or last week of window jobs hopefully they can be integrated quickly - it is far from ideal though.

 

As the season progresses he can hopefully start to make sense of it all and you'd like to think that we'll act in Jan in terms of him starting to build his team and next summer we'll act early and decisively and then have a full and proper pre-season to properly put it all together along with players hopefully fully settled after coming in Jan too.

 

I really can't see how we are going to do major business this summer - it is all just too much change in what is simply not enough time.

[Freddo]

And if things don’t go well in this supposed transition season, Arne will be told he doesn’t have any money without CL footy. We know how this goes. 
We need to invest in the squad now and through the remainder of this window to give him and us the best chance of a successful season. He’s not stupid, he knows what he’s inheriting here. 
This isn’t Feyenoord is it, this is one of the biggest clubs in the game. 
Vast majority of us can see what this squad needs, I’m sure he can too. 

[Lee909]

Nothing dodgy going on between Forest,Newcastle,Chelsea and Villa with dodgy accounting for FFP

 

 

Per

@TheAthleticFC

Nottingham Forest sold Vlachadimos to Newcastle for £20m!! Nothing dodgy to see here...

 

 

20ml for a keeper they signed for just over 4ml the year before(there were add ons that could take it to 9ml). He played 5 games and was benched. Well when i say benched i mean was left out of every squad as Matt Turner was the back up. But Forest are able to get 4x his fee a year later by a team that has FFP issues

 

They should get a points deduction for taking the piss with creative accounting. All 4 taking the piss to see if the Premier League act

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

Nothing dodgy going on between Forest,Newcastle,Chelsea and Villa with dodgy accounting for FFP

 

 

Per

@TheAthleticFC

Nottingham Forest sold Vlachadimos to Newcastle for £20m!! Nothing dodgy to see here...

 

 

20ml for a keeper they signed for just over 4ml the year before(there were add ons that could take it to 9ml). He played 5 games and was benched. Well when i say benched i mean was left out of every squad as Matt Turner was the back up. But Forest are able to get 4x his fee a year later by a team that has FFP issues

 

They should get a points deduction for taking the piss with creative accounting. All 4 taking the piss to see if the Premier League act

 

 

 

There will always be loopholes in all finacial rules. As soon as you bring something in to close one, another will open up. It's kept accountants going for years. I don't really blame those clubs for doing what they're doing. We'd do the same if we needed to. 

[an tha]

24 minutes ago, Freddo said:

And if things don’t go well in this supposed transition season, Arne will be told he doesn’t have any money without CL footy. We know how this goes. 
We need to invest in the squad now and through the remainder of this window to give him and us the best chance of a successful season. He’s not stupid, he knows what he’s inheriting here. 
This isn’t Feyenoord is it, this is one of the biggest clubs in the game. 
Vast majority of us can see what this squad needs, I’m sure he can too. 

There is a world of difference between typing out what we need on here without any real knowledge of how the new manager wants to play, what he thinks of what he has seen so far from those he has seen and their ability to deliver what he wants (not to mention fact he hasn't yet seen a big and key chunk of his squad in training yet), what the players attitude is etc etc and actually making decisions about how to spend millions of pounds and what on and then being judged on how successful you have been after doing so.

 

I'd be frankly more alarmed if we were throwing money around now in the circumstances we are in than fact we aren't because it is dead obvious that the manager simply isn't in a position to make such decisions yet.....

 

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

49 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

I don’t think we need much.

 

I do think we need a centre back so we can managing VVD’s minutes better & start succession planning.

 

A #6 should be a necessity but I don’t know who. The drop from Rodri & Rice to Endo is too steep. Maybe Bajectic can play a role, requires a leap of faith though.

 

Another attacker is always exciting, I’m not sure we need one. I’m not sold on Kubo at all. Apparently he’s been poor after Xmas and has only 1 goal & 1 assist in 2024, Doak or Gordon could offer that!

A DM ands CB in that order. Maybe an attacker.

[Bjornebye]

Kimmich and Guehi and fuck off 

[joe_fishfish]

First and foremost we need a reliable goalscorer. Going into the season with only an ageing Mo Salah capable of scoring 20 goals or more isn’t really good enough.

[an tha]

3 minutes ago, joe_fishfish said:

First and foremost we need a reliable goalscorer. Going into the season with only an ageing Mo Salah capable of scoring 20 goals or more isn’t really good enough.

We scored 86 league goals last season.

 

Our average since Klopp took over is 80 per season.

 

We have only beaten that 86 twice under him and ironically neither was the title winning season - we scored 85 that season.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

40 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

Nothing dodgy going on between Forest,Newcastle,Chelsea and Villa with dodgy accounting for FFP

 

 

Per

@TheAthleticFC

Nottingham Forest sold Vlachadimos to Newcastle for £20m!! Nothing dodgy to see here...

 

 

20ml for a keeper they signed for just over 4ml the year before(there were add ons that could take it to 9ml). He played 5 games and was benched. Well when i say benched i mean was left out of every squad as Matt Turner was the back up. But Forest are able to get 4x his fee a year later by a team that has FFP issues

 

They should get a points deduction for taking the piss with creative accounting. All 4 taking the piss to see if the Premier League act

 

 

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37558625/leicester-city-seal-signing-liverpool-goalkeeper-danny-ward

[dandyman]

45 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

Nothing dodgy going on between Forest,Newcastle,Chelsea and Villa with dodgy accounting for FFP

 

 

Per

@TheAthleticFC

Nottingham Forest sold Vlachadimos to Newcastle for £20m!! Nothing dodgy to see here...

 

 

20ml for a keeper they signed for just over 4ml the year before(there were add ons that could take it to 9ml). He played 5 games and was benched. Well when i say benched i mean was left out of every squad as Matt Turner was the back up. But Forest are able to get 4x his fee a year later by a team that has FFP issues

 

They should get a points deduction for taking the piss with creative accounting. All 4 taking the piss to see if the Premier League act

 

 

£16m , that’s an awful lot to spend on Plyers

 

 

No??

 

 

I’ll get me coat.

 

 

 

[Carvalho Diablo]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

I don’t think we need much.

 

I do think we need a centre back so we can managing VVD’s minutes better & start succession planning.

 

A #6 should be a necessity but I don’t know who. The drop from Rodri & Rice to Endo is too steep. Maybe Bajectic can play a role, requires a leap of faith though.

 

Another attacker is always exciting, I’m not sure we need one. I’m not sold on Kubo at all. Apparently he’s been poor after Xmas and has only 1 goal & 1 assist in 2024, Doak or Gordon could offer that!

That Ederson lad at Atalanta, the one we're heavily linked with, he's really fucking good.

[Trojan1892]

I can’t imagine us bringing Edwards back and Hughes in and not signing any new players to improve the team tbh, be fucking uproar.

[3 Stacks]

1 hour ago, an tha said:

The head coach wanting to see all his squad together, implementing his ideas and seeing who fits and who may not and where he feels he wants change is not exactly weird is it.

 

The problem is the poxy situation where it will be less than a fortnight before the season starts before he is afforded that opportunity.

 

This coming season for my money will largely be one of transition - we won't fully know what the 'new' post Klopp Liverpool looks like until next season when Slot and his team has had time to look properly at what and who he wants, who he does not and of course the players who are likely to leave leave have made their decisions, or the club has.

 

It is really lousy timing having to make all the changes we have and still likely need to make  in a messed up summer - but that is nobody's fault really....Klopp made his decision and we as a club have had to play the hand been dealt as a result.

 

Hopefully Slot is a good enough coach to get decent results out of what he is inheriting without being able to really properly shape it and can somehow get a team that will barely have had a week or so of pre-season together properly to start the season with some sort of idea.

 

If we do sign one or two which would probably be deadline day or last week of window jobs hopefully they can be integrated quickly - it is far from ideal though.

 

As the season progresses he can hopefully start to make sense of it all and you'd like to think that we'll act in Jan in terms of him starting to build his team and next summer we'll act early and decisively and then have a full and proper pre-season to properly put it all together along with players hopefully fully settled after coming in Jan too.

 

I really can't see how we are going to do major business this summer - it is all just too much change in what is simply not enough time.

It is weird. The whole thing is that he is to be only partly involved with transfers, especially that he's proven nothing at a high level. Maybe when he proves something it then turns into a Klopp situation where he has a huge say.

 

It makes no sense to make this clear and to then say: actually he needs to see everything before we can move a muscle in the market. Completely antithetical.

 

What this smells like is that actually we think the squad needs almost nothing, maybe we have a deal or two in the chamber that will take very little legwork, so it can wait. This isn't a good sign if you are a fan who thinks we should try competing for the title.

 

And also, it's usually precisely when managers start that they get hugely backed. It's not a wait and see thing.

[Jose Jones]

12 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

It is weird. The whole thing is that he is to be only partly involved with transfers, especially that he's proven nothing at a high level. Maybe when he proves something it then turns into a Klopp situation where he has a huge say.

 

It makes no sense to make this clear and to then say: actually he needs to see everything before we can move a muscle in the market. Completely antithetical.

 

What this smells like is that actually we think the squad needs almost nothing, maybe we have a deal or two in the chamber that will take very little legwork, so it can wait. This isn't a good sign if you are a fan who thinks we should try competing for the title.

 

And also, it's usually precisely when managers start that they get hugely backed. It's not a wait and see thing.

Yeah but we didn’t have a Director of Football either. We basically just signed who Klopp wanted for the last season and a half. So who would have been making the decisions?

[an tha]

21 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

It is weird. The whole thing is that he is to be only partly involved with transfers, especially that he's proven nothing at a high level. Maybe when he proves something it then turns into a Klopp situation where he has a huge say.

 

It makes no sense to make this clear and to then say: actually he needs to see everything before we can move a muscle in the market. Completely antithetical.

 

What this smells like is that actually we think the squad needs almost nothing, maybe we have a deal or two in the chamber that will take very little legwork, so it can wait. This isn't a good sign if you are a fan who thinks we should try competing for the title.

 

And also, it's usually precisely when managers start that they get hugely backed. It's not a wait and see thing.

It isn't weird at all.

 

The feller has had pretty much no time at all to look at what he has, how that is likely to work with what he wants - how the players have reacted and so on.

 

How can decisions be made in those circunstances.

 

As for 'say' i would imagine once he has identified what he wants he'll put that forward and then those involved will work with him to find the best solution.

 

I get it that everyone wants shiny new toys, especially when others are getting them - but for my money it is a case of simply giving it time so the right solutions are found to the things the manager feels he wants sorting - as it stands he simply does not yet know - he simply can't given he hasn't even spent a second in training yet with his full squad.

 

There is likely already be a number of players who the club have identified as potential options in each position once Slot says 'I want' and we may well move on one or two of those before deadline day - but I wouldn't be massively surprised if we wait until Jan/next summer.

 

Slot will be backed - there is no doubt about that - and hopefully it will be in a sensible, structured manner with decisions made when are in best position to, not rushed and without the necessary time/insight/learnings to make them properly.

 

There is just so much change that has had to be enacted in such a short space of time and it is just not conjusive to being in a position to make informed, considered and planned decisions right now.

 

 

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

Wouldn't surprise me if Slot wants an entire season to assess if we need to sign anyone.

 

You would have thought they might have taped last season's games for him.

[Horus]

Same as it ever was. How folks can still make excuses for FSG is beyond me. No new managers come into a new job and play this wait and see game apart from ours. If only there was a common denominator. 

 

I actually think late window transfers are our new normal, because when fans get desperate, we are more thankful for getting what we do. I think the Caicedo to Endo switch has provided a blue print. Fucked off Bellingham for being too expensive, then make that bid (did they really think we could get him?). They don't have Klopp as a human shield anymore, so I guess we'll have to see how things play out.

 

I have a feeling this is going to be a pretty grim season.

[3 Stacks]

31 minutes ago, an tha said:

It isn't weird at all.

 

The feller has had pretty much no time at all to look at what he has, how that is likely to work with what he wants - how the players have reacted and so on.

 

How can decisions be made in those circunstances.

 

As for 'say' i would imagine once he has identified what he wants he'll put that forward and then those involved will work with him to find the best solution.

 

I get it that everyone wants shiny new toys, especially when others are getting them - but for my money it is a case of simply giving it time so the right solutions are found to the things the manager feels he wants sorting - as it stands he simply does not yet know - he simply can't given he hasn't even spent a second in training yet with his full squad.

 

There is likely already be a number of players who the club have identified as potential options in each position once Slot says 'I want' and we may well move on one or two of those before deadline day - but I wouldn't be massively surprised if we wait until Jan/next summer.

 

Slot will be backed - there is no doubt about that - and hopefully it will be in a sensible, structured manner with decisions made when are in best position to, not rushed and without the necessary time/insight/learnings to make them properly.

 

There is just so much change that has had to be enacted in such a short space of time and it is just not conjusive to being in a position to make informed, considered and planned decisions right now.

 

 

If we're letting a newcomer from the Eredivisie dictate our transfer strategy in any substantial manner, we are dead.

 

I'm choosing to believe the alternative, which is that the reason given why we aren't buying anyone at the moment is nonsense.

[Anubis]

3 hours ago, aws said:

I sense a big January. 

Typical lawyer, leaving yourself wriggle room by not specifying a year.

[Moo]

2 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

Wouldn't surprise me if Slot wants an entire season to assess if we need to sign anyone.

 

Not sure if I'm missing the sarcasm but just in case this is a serious post...

Laughable. When will the excuses ever stop? I thought the idea was we have a structure at the club now and Slot is just the coach, therefore those above him should be able to make signings that fit the team ethos and structure. But of course there's always something, we must have the most creative fan base in thinking up excuses for our spending (or lack of). 

FSG are cheap bastards, always have been always will be.

 

 

[Leyton388]

If it take a grim season for fans to realise what FSG are all about then so be it. 

[Barrington Womble]

38 minutes ago, an tha said:

It isn't weird at all.

 

The feller has had pretty much no time at all to look at what he has, how that is likely to work with what he wants - how the players have reacted and so on.

 

How can decisions be made in those circunstances.

 

As for 'say' i would imagine once he has identified what he wants he'll put that forward and then those involved will work with him to find the best solution.

 

I get it that everyone wants shiny new toys, especially when others are getting them - but for my money it is a case of simply giving it time so the right solutions are found to the things the manager feels he wants sorting - as it stands he simply does not yet know - he simply can't given he hasn't even spent a second in training yet with his full squad.

 

There is likely already be a number of players who the club have identified as potential options in each position once Slot says 'I want' and we may well move on one or two of those before deadline day - but I wouldn't be massively surprised if we wait until Jan/next summer.

 

Slot will be backed - there is no doubt about that - and hopefully it will be in a sensible, structured manner with decisions made when are in best position to, not rushed and without the necessary time/insight/learnings to make them properly.

 

There is just so much change that has had to be enacted in such a short space of time and it is just not conjusive to being in a position to make informed, considered and planned decisions right now.

 

 

 

To be honest, I really don't understand why you think this is all so difficult for us to do. We're not in some unique position, lots of clubs have new managers and do every summer and just get on with business. They don't need to see them all showering to decide if the squad needs additions. It is why we have data. It is why slot has been watching videos. It is why we hired him I assume, that he already had knowledge of our squad and had done his research. It all just smacks of the summer of Rodgers to be honest. Get a manager who is so delighted and surprised to be here, it's pretty easy to push him around. 

[Code]

Dont Slot have a TV or a computer?

 

The club will have all kind of data and videoes from our games and the players.

 

The idea that he will need to see them all together in training before making any kind of judgement is mental. 

[3 Stacks]

45 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Yeah but we didn’t have a Director of Football either. We basically just signed who Klopp wanted for the last season and a half. So who would have been making the decisions?

The main scouts and data guy were all still there.