Summer 2020 Transfer Thread

[3 Stacks]

12 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

well you see we have the same recruitment lead as when klopp joined. edwards wasn't so smart at finding players who suited his manager prior to October 2015. it's worked when klopp joined. klopp has also been able to get a tune out of some of the players in the squad who he inherited - firmino, milner and henderson have been crucial. Gomez and Lovren have played important parts. In fact in the dressing room Lallana would have also have seemed important. So if you mean klopp is also really good at knowing which players to take and not take from the recruitment team, you're dead right. and do you know why that is? Because klopp is fucking brilliant. When klopp arrived here, we were a mediocre team and less than mediocre recruitment - but klopp raises the level of everybody around him. 

 

These are the players that cam in during the 3 years prior to klopp joining (which iirc is when edwards promoted after comolli was fired). Now if you think Klopp has not had a major impact on the quality of our recruitment, good for you. I would suggest we didn't have a fucking clue what we were doing before klopp arrived and this list of players below shows that. 

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee
22 June 2013	AM	6	Luis Alberto	Sevilla	£6,800,000[20]
23 June 2013	FW	9	Iago Aspas	Celta Vigo	£7,000,000[21]
27 June 2013	GK	22	Simon Mignolet	Sunderland	£9,000,000[22]
2 July 2013	CB	4	Kolo Touré	Manchester City	Free[23]
2 September 2013	CB	26	Tiago Ilori	Sporting CP	£7,000,000[24]
2 September 2013	CB	17	Mamadou Sakho	Paris Saint Germain	£15,000,000[25]

Loans in[edit]

Start date	End date	Position	No.	Player	From club
20 August 2013	31 May 2014	LB	20	Aly Cissokho	Valencia[26]
2 September 2013	31 May 2014	LW	12	Victor Moses	Chelsea[27]

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee	Ref
1 July 2014	FW	9	Rickie Lambert	Southampton	£4,000,000	[3]
1 July 2014	MF	20	Adam Lallana	Southampton	£25,000,000	[4]
3 July 2014	MF	23	Emre Can	Bayer Leverkusen	£10,000,000	[5]
15 July 2014	MF	50	Lazar Marković	Benfica	£20,000,000	[6]
27 July 2014	DF	6	Dejan Lovren	Southampton	£20,000,000	[7]
29 July 2014	FW	—	Divock Origi	Lille	£10,000,000	[8]
16 August 2014	DF	18	Alberto Moreno	Sevilla	£12,000,000	[9]
25 August 2014	FW	45	Mario Balotelli	Milan	£16,000,000	[10]
Total transfer spending					£117,000,000

Loans in[edit]

Start date	End date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Ref
6 August 2014	31 May 2016	DF	19	Javier Manquillo	Atlético Madrid	[11]

 

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee	Ref.
20 June 2015	CB	12	Joe Gomez	Charlton Athletic	£3,500,000	[95]
1 July 2015	RM	7	James Milner	Manchester City	Free	[96]
1 July 2015	FW	28	Danny Ings	Burnley	£6,500,000[A]	[97]
1 July 2015	GK	34	Ádám Bogdán	Bolton Wanderers	Free	[98]
1 July 2015	AM	11	Roberto Firmino	1899 Hoffenheim	£21,300,000	[99]
1 July 2015	RB	2	Nathaniel Clyne	Southampton	£10,000,000[C]	[100]
22 July 2015	FW	9	Christian Benteke	Aston Villa	£32,500,000	[101]
Total					£73,800,000

Klopp is a better manager than Rodgers, but there is also a far better working relationship between Klopp and Edwards. If the recruitment people were truly incompetent, they would have been thrown out by now, but the reason it works so well is because of this relationship. That's not all that common in football.

 

The Rodgers thing has been done to death, but I imagine working with him must have been infuriating. Buying Benteke as a courtesy to him because you want to buy Firmino is an unworkable situation. That was absurd. And another thing, Rodgers had no style of football. He'd change his approach every year and would do stuff midseason like go to a back 3 out of the blue. He had Markovic at wing back at one point. I mean Markovic wasn't any good, but how are you supposed to buy for a guy that will pull tactics out of his ass on a whim like that? 

 

Anyway, the point is that it's a symbiotic relationship. Klopp's talents have been boosted by our recruitment and vice versa. That's how things go right in the long run at a football club in general. 

 

[No2]

15 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

well you see we have the same recruitment lead as when klopp joined. edwards wasn't so smart at finding players who suited his manager prior to October 2015. it's worked when klopp joined. klopp has also been able to get a tune out of some of the players in the squad who he inherited - firmino, milner and henderson have been crucial. Gomez and Lovren have played important parts. In fact in the dressing room Lallana would have also have seemed important. So if you mean klopp is also really good at knowing which players to take and not take from the recruitment team, you're dead right. and do you know why that is? Because klopp is fucking brilliant. When klopp arrived here, we were a mediocre team and less than mediocre recruitment - but klopp raises the level of everybody around him. 

 

These are the players that came in during the 3 years prior to klopp joining (which iirc is when edwards promoted after comolli was fired). Now if you think Klopp has not had a major impact on the quality of our recruitment, good for you. I would suggest we didn't have a fucking clue what we were doing before klopp arrived and this list of players below shows that. 

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee
22 June 2013	AM	6	Luis Alberto	Sevilla	£6,800,000[20]
23 June 2013	FW	9	Iago Aspas	Celta Vigo	£7,000,000[21]
27 June 2013	GK	22	Simon Mignolet	Sunderland	£9,000,000[22]
2 July 2013	CB	4	Kolo Touré	Manchester City	Free[23]
2 September 2013	CB	26	Tiago Ilori	Sporting CP	£7,000,000[24]
2 September 2013	CB	17	Mamadou Sakho	Paris Saint Germain	£15,000,000[25]

Loans in[edit]

Start date	End date	Position	No.	Player	From club
20 August 2013	31 May 2014	LB	20	Aly Cissokho	Valencia[26]
2 September 2013	31 May 2014	LW	12	Victor Moses	Chelsea[27]

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee	Ref
1 July 2014	FW	9	Rickie Lambert	Southampton	£4,000,000	[3]
1 July 2014	MF	20	Adam Lallana	Southampton	£25,000,000	[4]
3 July 2014	MF	23	Emre Can	Bayer Leverkusen	£10,000,000	[5]
15 July 2014	MF	50	Lazar Marković	Benfica	£20,000,000	[6]
27 July 2014	DF	6	Dejan Lovren	Southampton	£20,000,000	[7]
29 July 2014	FW	—	Divock Origi	Lille	£10,000,000	[8]
16 August 2014	DF	18	Alberto Moreno	Sevilla	£12,000,000	[9]
25 August 2014	FW	45	Mario Balotelli	Milan	£16,000,000	[10]
Total transfer spending					£117,000,000

Loans in[edit]

Start date	End date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Ref
6 August 2014	31 May 2016	DF	19	Javier Manquillo	Atlético Madrid	[11]

 

 

Transfers in[edit]

Entry date	Position	No.	Player	From club	Fee	Ref.
20 June 2015	CB	12	Joe Gomez	Charlton Athletic	£3,500,000	[95]
1 July 2015	RM	7	James Milner	Manchester City	Free	[96]
1 July 2015	FW	28	Danny Ings	Burnley	£6,500,000[A]	[97]
1 July 2015	GK	34	Ádám Bogdán	Bolton Wanderers	Free	[98]
1 July 2015	AM	11	Roberto Firmino	1899 Hoffenheim	£21,300,000	[99]
1 July 2015	RB	2	Nathaniel Clyne	Southampton	£10,000,000[C]	[100]
22 July 2015	FW	9	Christian Benteke	Aston Villa	£32,500,000	[101]
Total					£73,800,000

That list isn't actually that bad. I remembered it being a lot worse. £73m total spend and Klopp used 11 of them fairly regularly to help get us to our current position. He made a good few quid from the rest.

[Barrington Womble]

24 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Klopp is a better manager than Rodgers, but there is also a far better working relationship between Klopp and Edwards. If the recruitment people were truly incompetent, they would have been thrown out by now, but the reason it works so well is because of this relationship. That's not all that common in football.

 

The Rodgers thing has been done to death, but I imagine working with him must have been infuriating. Buying Benteke as a courtesy to him because you want to buy Firmino is an unworkable situation. That was absurd. And another thing, Rodgers had no style of football. He'd change his approach every year and would do stuff midseason like go to a back 3 out of the blue. He had Markovic at wing back at one point. I mean Markovic wasn't any good, but how are you supposed to buy for a guy that will pull tactics out of his ass on a whim like that? 

 

Anyway, the point is that it's a symbiotic relationship. Klopp's talents have been boosted by our recruitment and vice versa. That's how things go right in the long run at a football club in general. 

 

so my view is there's a constant to all the improvement at LFC. everyone around the club got better when klopp joined. even the crowd is better, he made us raise our game. i would imagine the tea is better (in fact i seem to remember a story of him lashing out the coffee machine or something because it made shite coffee and they had to replace it with a good one, but i feel sure whoever makes the coffee will be remember for the good cuppa at melwood).  So edwards might be good at his job now, but he clearly wasn't then because he was incapable of making his relationship work, which is part of the job. and you can slate rodgers all you like (i am no fan of his btw), but it would seem he is a highly regarded manager in the game, so surely it's not all his fault? 

 

it is really difficult to find brilliant leaders who also have the ability to do their main job (in any industry). My opinion is really clear on this, klopp makes everyone do their jobs better. Some of them like VVD for example, might have become leading stars regardless of klopp's involvement. But others (edwards, trent, robbo, henderson, salah, mane, firmini, gini, linjders) have all benefited from the world leading leadership klopp brings. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Bayern we're shite at the start of this season. 

 

We were shite when klopp joined. And actually I said he's taken a bunch of top 4 quality players to champions. 

 

We wouldn't have won a carrot under pochettino with this group of players, assuming pochettino had been our manager from when Rodgers was fired. 

 

Another point re Bayern they were on the way down apparently when we beat them easily and they were shite apparently. Basically the same ageing side won the CL this year, it shows what a team actually playing for a manager can do ( they should always) and that our so called older players are not as old as we think.

[Barrington Womble]

15 minutes ago, No2 said:

That list isn't actually that bad. I remembered it being a lot worse. £73m total spend and Klopp used 11 of them fairly regularly to help get us to our current position. He made a good few quid from the rest.

I don't dispute klopp used some. but how many were performing at an anywhere decent level before klopp? this is my entire point, there's no two way street with this. Klopp is absolutely world leading in what he does and it allows other talented, but ultimately less than world leading to appear world leading.

 

 

[No2]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

Klopp is absolutely world leading in what he does and it allows other talent, but ultimately less than world leading to appear world leading.

 

Is there a single person disputing this?

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, No2 said:

Is there a single person disputing this?

yes, @3 Stacks and @aRdja would appear to be doing so. they believe we would be world class regardless. i think we've a probable top 4-ish team regardless of manager as most of the players and recruitment would not have reached the levels we have without klopp. and in fact we probably wouldn't have bought most of them. 

[No2]

9 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Another point re Bayern they were on the way down apparently when we beat them easily and they were shite apparently. Basically the same ageing side won the CL this year, it shows what a team actually playing for a manager can do ( they should always) and that our so called older players are not as old as we think.

That side below that we beat was good but it had one or two too many players who's legs had gone. All the replacements bar Muller were faster, younger and worked harder.

 

I would look at Barcelona in much the same way, one or 2 players that can run would transform that side.

[dockers_strike]

Hansi Flick has worked wonders at Bayern considering he wasnt a stellar manager when he was appointed. It's pretty obvious the better managers are in tune with their players and get the best out of them when only months before, the same players might have looked hopeless under the previous incumbent.

 

Will be interesting to see how Flick goes next season. His players seem to have bought into his management style so you'd expect Bayern to remain the team to beat in Germany.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

11 minutes ago, No2 said:

That side below that we beat was good but it had one or two too many players who's legs had gone. All the replacements bar Muller were faster, younger and worked harder.

 

I would look at Barcelona in much the same way, one or 2 players that can run would transform that side.

The players attitude completely changed when Herr Flick came in as you know it happens a lot. Davies and Kimmich have made a big difference but Boateng and Mueller have a new lease of life, Lewandowski the season of his life. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

The players attitude completely changed when Herr Flick came in as you know it happens a lot. Davies and Kimmich have made a big difference but Boateng and Mueller have a new lease of life, Lewandowski the season of his life. 

and even neuer looks a world class keeper again when before he was starting to appear like he'd had his day. 

[3 Stacks]

57 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

yes, @3 Stacks and @aRdja would appear to be doing so. they believe we would be world class regardless. i think we've a probable top 4-ish team regardless of manager as most of the players and recruitment would not have reached the levels we have without klopp. and in fact we probably wouldn't have bought most of them. 

I didn't say that. I said Edwards and the club are good at what they do and the healthy working relationship with Klopp, along with his ability, is what has put us over the top. If they weren't good in the first place, or if there had been discord between Klopp and them, it wouldn't have worked.

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

I didn't say that. I said Edwards and the club are good at what they do and the healthy working relationship with Klopp, along with his ability, is what has put us over the top. If they weren't good in the first place, or if there had been discord between Klopp and them, it wouldn't have worked.

so i disagree they were good in the 1st place. i think they have a body of work that has proved that. that doesn't mean they were incapable, it means they weren't good then. klopp has with them, like he has with everyone around him,  improved them beyond recognition. klopp took over when we were mid-table and quite poor. and i believe at that point our recruitment was even worse than the team. 

[Harry Squatter]

 

 

 

[dandyman]

10 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

 

Is that after we sell origi for £63m??

[BeefStroganoff]

Im beginning to think this is all fucking ridiculous. Every other Club is buying.

[Horus]

 

 

 

[Leyton388]

LFC to save millions by using their on loan players to boost squad. FSG genius. 

[Grinch]

28 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

 

Once the window shuts there'll be fans talking about signing Mbappe next summer cause we've kept our powder dry. 

 

 

Just like they were doing at the start of the year. 

[Lee909]

In other words

Nobody will pay the fee wanted and he will leave October 1st on a loan or January at the latest. 

 

So we go into the season with Miamino and the likes of a perms crocked Shaqiri, 17 year old Harvey Elliot with a full 7 minutes of top league action, a player Bournemouth dropped come the tail end of the season and Origi as back up. 

[Leyton388]

Do some people still think we don't have the money there after most other clubs are spending as normal? Everton are about to drop £60m plus and the mancs have just spent £40m while we are rummaging around down the back of the couch for loose change.

[Heinze]

Someone should set up a GoFundMe for the club.

[Horus]

The tight fuckers would actually love that.

[Leyton388]

Remember they said something about the fans funding the ARE expansion? Tight cunts. 

 

[Harry Squatter]

26 minutes ago, Heinze said:

Someone should set up a GoFundMe for the club.

Should kidnap Linda and ask for a decent transfer fund for her release.