Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, sir roger said:

You might struggle to see too much of an overlap in a Venn Diagram where the two categories are 

 

1) Socialist

2) Will look at their shoes when children are shot by Israeli snipers

Barry Gardiner maybe?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Barry Gardiner maybe?

 

And people accuse me of being on the wind-up...

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

And people accuse me of being on the wind-up...

Happy for you to join in and identify another from the LFI lot bud.

[aRdja]

Maybe Thornberry? But she’s a staunch remainer. 

[Strontium]

35 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Happy for you to join in and identify another from the LFI lot bud.

 

Why would they have to be from the LFI lot? That doesn't make sense.

[aRdja]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Why would they have to be from the LFI lot? That doesn't make sense.

Could be seen as a good ‘statement of intent’, to just calm things down a bit on that front.

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

Some would argue one way to immediately move forward is to pick a socialist leader from the LFI members. That way one source of smears will immediately stop.

Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall or Margaret Hodge would be my choices.

 

 

As an aside if you imagine picking any of the about would stop a source of smears you are very naive.

 

Moving policies to the right and sucking up to Murdoch would help in stopping the source of smears.

[aRdja]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall or Margaret Hodge would be my choices.

 

 

As an aside if you imagine picking any of the about would stop a source of smears you are very naive.

 

Moving policies to the right and sucking up to Murdoch would help in stopping the source of smears.

We don’t want that though do we? There are red lines.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Someone or something has to carry the can for Labour's massive defeat, and it might as well be Corbyn rather than his policies, especially if you hope to serve similar policies up to the public in future.

 

It can simply be blamed on Corbyn's neutral Brexit stance and none of his socialist policies need to be touched. I'm not saying it's right, but seeing as you mentioned tactics back there this could be one approach.

[Scooby Dudek]

2 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

We don’t want that though do we? There are red lines.

That was my point, if the policies stay the same, whoever is in charge is irrelevant, they will get constant smears and attacks.  

 

 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Could be seen as a good ‘statement of intent’, to just calm things down a bit on that front.

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

Mate, can you fuck off with this shit now, he’s stepping down. 

[aRdja]

10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

That was my point, if the policies stay the same, whoever is in charge is irrelevant, they will get constant smears and attacks.  

I feel dirty posting this, but perhaps selecting a leader who isn’t openly most passionate about Palestinian rights, would help calm things down a bit.

[RobbieOR]

Might as well just go the whole hog and pander to the far right if that's the route you want to go down. 

[Strontium]

Just now, viRdjil said:

I feel dirty posting this, but perhaps selecting a leader who isn’t most passionate about Palestinian rights, would help calm things down a bit.

 

Haha what. I would have no qualms about supporting a literal Palestinian who is passionate about Palestinian rights as Lib Dem leader. The difference is she supports a two state solution and despises Hamas, unlike a certain A N Other.

 

When will people like you stop pretending that this is all because Corbyn is "pro-Palestinian"? Any leader of any progressive party should be in favour of relieving oppressed peoples, that's not even close to being the issue here.

[aRdja]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Haha what. I would have no qualms about supporting a literal Palestinian who is passionate about Palestinian rights as Lib Dem leader. The difference is she supports a two state solution and despises Hamas, unlike a certain A N Other.

 

When will people like you stop pretending that this is all because Corbyn is "pro-Palestinian"? Any leader of any progressive party should be in favour of relieving oppressed peoples, that's not even close to being the issue here.

I’m fundamentally against a two-state solution because it’s not democratic. For democrats, the ultimate aim should only be a one state solution with equal rights for all citizens. At this point it’s obviously not realistic, so it’s something to be pursued in the on longer term. What I’m saying maybe we should put that in the “too hard” basket for now and revisit at a later stage. Since the best position to help the Palestinians is obviously when you’re in power.

[Anubis]

2 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I feel dirty posting this, but perhaps selecting a leader who isn’t openly most passionate about Palestinian rights, would help calm things down a bit.

Yeah. And while we’re at it, best not mention disabled people. They tend to take up a bit of the welfare budget and this seems to trigger certain taxpayers, so if we just leave them to crawl around their houses they’re out of sight and out of mind. 
 

Oh, and foodbank users. Feckless gamblers of the money they get from zero hour contracts or having to waste it on niceties like key card meter electricity for heating and cooking which is more expensive than the norm. Do they really need to eat shop food when there are perfectly good patches of dirty grass and twigs lying around those parks we haven’t sold off yet.

 

Oh, oh, oh, and best not mention children in poverty or needing school food clubs. Dirty little blighters who should be up chimney’s cleaning, or working on farms from sunrise to sunset.

 

And last, but not least, let’s not mention sick people needing the NHS. Why, if you can’t pay a few thousand for a routine check up, you deserve to fester in the gutter with all of the other germ-ridden vermin.

 

No, let’s not mention anything which might upset the current world order, whether at home or abroad. Know your masters. Keep your heads bowed. Good, good little sheep.

 

Maybe go back to recommending shit footballers to sign, eh, aRdj.

[Bjornebye]

The level of anti-semitism that has been claimed against the actual truth is fucking miles apart. No-one is denying the rights of a Jewish state its the way Israel have gone about their business thats the problem. Protestants, Catholics, Muslims and Hindus have slaughtered people for years. Its not a "jewish thing". 

 

Its wrong that I am scared to say what I actually think is true. And its not anti-semitic at all but will be painted that way. Its a fucking fact. 

 

Anyway back to butchering kids at home and abroad because, you know, "we suffered too" . 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

23 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

Come on Stronts, he does accept the Jewish state has a right to exist. You know this. As he does with the Palestinian state. What he opposes is the theft of land from the Palestinians and the (unfairly unbalanced) war between the two. 
 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

Netanyahu could surprise a few people.

[Bjornebye]

25 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

You are one seriously warped vile prick.  

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Come on Stronts, he does accept the Jewish state has a right to exist. You know this. As he does with the Palestinian state. What he opposes is the theft of land from the Palestinians and the (unfairly unbalanced) war between the two. 
 

 

 

This 100% nice one Skids. I can't articulate it that well because my fingers just head towards CUNT 

 

But well said, as do all decent people. 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Netanyahu could surprise a few people.

A bullet up the arse when playing footy on the beach will do that. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

8 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Yeah. And while we’re at it, best not mention disabled people. They tend to take up a bit of the welfare budget and this seems to trigger certain taxpayers, so if we just leave them to crawl around their houses they’re out of sight and out of mind. 
 

Oh, and foodbank users. Feckless gamblers of the money they get from zero hour contracts or having to waste it on niceties like key card meter electricity for heating and cooking which is more expensive than the norm. Do they really need to eat shop food when there are perfectly good patches of dirty grass and twigs lying around those parks we haven’t sold off yet.

 

Oh, oh, oh, and best not mention children in poverty or needing school food clubs. Dirty little blighters who should be up chimney’s cleaning, or working on farms from sunrise to sunset.

 

And last, but not least, let’s not mention sick people needing the NHS. Why, if you can’t pay a few thousand for a routine check up, you deserve to fester in the gutter with all of the other germ-ridden vermin.

 

No, let’s not mention anything which might upset the current world order, whether at home or abroad. Know your masters. Keep your heads bowed. Good, good little sheep.

 

Maybe go back to recommending shit footballers to sign, eh, aRdj.

 

Great post mate, unfortunately it will go over his head as you forgot to mention shit Trabs and crap breakfasts. 

[aRdja]

19 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Yeah. And while we’re at it, best not mention disabled people. They tend to take up a bit of the welfare budget and this seems to trigger certain taxpayers, so if we just leave them to crawl around their houses they’re out of sight and out of mind. 
 

Oh, and foodbank users. Feckless gamblers of the money they get from zero hour contracts or having to waste it on niceties like key card meter electricity for heating and cooking which is more expensive than the norm. Do they really need to eat shop food when there are perfectly good patches of dirty grass and twigs lying around those parks we haven’t sold off yet.

 

Oh, oh, oh, and best not mention children in poverty or needing school food clubs. Dirty little blighters who should be up chimney’s cleaning, or working on farms from sunrise to sunset.

 

And last, but not least, let’s not mention sick people needing the NHS. Why, if you can’t pay a few thousand for a routine check up, you deserve to fester in the gutter with all of the other germ-ridden vermin.

 

No, let’s not mention anything which might upset the current world order, whether at home or abroad. Know your masters. Keep your heads bowed. Good, good little sheep.

 

Maybe go back to recommending shit footballers to sign, eh, aRdj.

That’s not really fair mate. Obviously there are red lines, but the best position to influence anything in that conflict, to help the Palestinians, is when you’re in government. The priority for the Labour Party should always be the people they’re representing. I just think at the moment, it’s very toxic on that front, and one ‘low-hanging fruit’ to immediately stop the furore, is to pick a leader who isn’t campaigning as openly for Palestinian rights at the same time as trying to win an election. I don’t know... maybe I’m chatting shit.