Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

People still denying wage rises? This is why the Labour Partys fucked. I don't understand why these people didn't fuck off with them upper middle class cunts Change UK, that's where they belong. 

You still don't get it, do you?

 

The current round of pay rises are restricted to a few sectors, they're not sustainable and they're offset by cockpunches, like inflation, the rise of fire & rehire, UC cuts and the NI rise.

 

We're not denying them; we're just seeing them for what they are.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's why Patel's war on refugees is not only morally repugnant, but is also ridiculously short-sighted.

Two entirely different issues though surely, one are refugees looking to settle in Britain to live, the other are economic migrants wanting to mainly come to Britain to work.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You still don't get it, do you?

 

The current round of pay rises are restricted to a few sectors, they're not sustainable and they're offset by cockpunches, like inflation, the rise of fire & rehire, UC cuts and the NI rise.

 

We're not denying them; we're just seeing them for what they are.

I've never said they were across the board I was simply giving first hand experience, I've also been inundated with firms I used to work for looking for young workers/apprentices, it's the current market, don't know how long it'll last but that's the situation in S.Wales and the S.West of England, I obviously can't speak for everyone but I know which way the wind blows.

 

Edit; it's lack of building materials that's the major problem, glass, roofing baton, steel, all like gold dust and all slowing down big sites which could lead to stagnation followed by a decrease of wages, I'm not an expert it just seems that way at the mo, and the building trade is normally a good indicator to where the rest of the economy follows, I see trouble ahead, hope I'm wrong.

[Karl_b]

45 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I've never said they were across the board I was simply giving first hand experience, I've also been inundated with firms I used to work for looking for young workers/apprentices, it's the current market, don't know how long it'll last but that's the situation in S.Wales and the S.West of England, I obviously can't speak for everyone but I know which way the wind blows.

 

Edit; it's lack of building materials that's the major problem, glass, roofing baton, steel, all like gold dust and all slowing down big sites which could lead to stagnation followed by a decrease of wages, I'm not an expert it just seems that way at the mo, and the building trade is normally a good indicator to where the rest of the economy follows, I see trouble ahead, hope I'm wrong.

On your second paragraph, this is definitely happening. Big sites are having problems but perhaps more so are the small, local builders. They're unable to get materials, what they can is often very expensive and subsequently they either can't physically start work or the price is so high that people won't pay it. I know builders at both ends of the scale that are suffering, clients won't foot the extra costs.

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Lack of materials slow down a contractors earning power you numbnutted cunt. If a contractor starts losing money they are entitled to go elsewhere you stupid self entitled little price. Reasonable contractors/employers reach a compromise, in this case a deserved wage rise, not that'd you'd ever fucking understand you middle class cesspitt of spunk. 

 

 

Now fuck off and defend some more billionaire poultry factory owners.

 

Below are the billionaires you defend and you're as much of a cunt as them.

 

https://m.foodingredientsfirst.com/news/uk-parliamentary-inquiry-finds-2-sisters-problems-are-not-a-one-off.html

 

So they're getting 90p for laying or installing materials they can't get a hold of meaning they're not getting the 90p because they aren't laying or installing or fixing anything. You see where your fairy story is going awry right.

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Lack of materials slow down a contractors earning power you numbnutted cunt. If a contractor starts losing money they are entitled to go elsewhere you stupid self entitled little price. Reasonable contractors/employers reach a compromise, in this case a deserved wage rise, not that'd you'd ever fucking understand you middle class cesspitt of spunk. 

 

 

Now fuck off and defend some more billionaire poultry factory owners.

 

Below are the billionaires you defend and you're as much of a cunt as them.

 

https://m.foodingredientsfirst.com/news/uk-parliamentary-inquiry-finds-2-sisters-problems-are-not-a-one-off.html

 

Double post.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, skend04 said:

So they're getting 90p for laying or installing materials they can't get a hold of meaning they're not getting the 90p because they aren't laying or installing or fixing anything. You see where your fairy story is going awry right.

I didn't say they were not laying or installing anything did I you cunt?

[Anubis]

6 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

I wondered where I’d seen Arlene recently. That Tory conference photo.

 

[skend04]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I didn't say they were not laying or installing anything did I you cunt?

So what the fuck are they moaning about then the twats??

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

So what the fuck are they moaning about then the twats??

A more obstructive and possibly slower method of working through no fault of their own basically. Example, unable to finish and book the completion of certain rooms because other trades/professions such as window fitters are behind schedule because materials are on hold, so window walls are unable to be completed and when these parts of the building are ready the profit in railing, metal furing, plasterboarding, tape and joining or plastering, painting a single wall is diminished, but money talks.

[Gnasher]

Sleepwalking towards disaster,

 

 

[Gnasher]

Fair article imo this, sums up my thoughts on where the Labour Party are regarding Brexit, basically in a muddle,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/07/boris-johnsons-high-wage-agenda-labours-economy

[Arniepie]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

People still denying wage rises? This is why the Labour Partys fucked. I don't understand why these people didn't fuck off with them upper middle class cunts Change UK, that's where they belong. 

The public sector probally comprises a few million people in this country

The only section to get a pitiful pay rise are nurses, everyone else is on a 2 year pay freeze.

On top of the previous 8 years or so of lay caps,/freezes.

 

That is a fact

 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Arniepie said:

The public sector probally comprises a few million people in this country

The only section to get a pitiful pay rise are nurses, everyone else is on a 2 year pay freeze.

On top of the previous 8 years or so of lay caps,/freezes.

 

That is a fact

 

I don't disagree. I always thought the nurses should not have accepted that paltry rise bit I'm not sure how it works. 

 

The rises talked about are low paid private sector jobs in agriculture/haulage/construction/hospitality etc, maybe because they were the professions with most eu labour? labour that is now lost causing the wage of those left to rise?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

The UK is becoming irrelevant. Who (apart from 48% of the voters in 2016) could have predicted that?

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fbritain-brexit-eu-europe-mess-b1933558.html&h=AT1qyFbjZ-sna6fSdAC-CwJ0toJMRXj8Ny939LhjR0J4BGlh8uwuuIdoui_bncFmIzp0dD3ASODFEZikWNk0XDFwz6Jj1T8k46275MCgh_hISS8hCug8aAWyhJEJHYlhF5fUrnR_N6XGLgfBZQ

 

 

[Stickman]

Bruce admitting then that the QT audience is loaded and is still upset when it doesn't go her way

 

 

 

[skend04]

10 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Bruce admitting then that the QT audience is loaded and is still upset when it doesn't go her way

 

 

 

QT have for a long time selected loaded panels and audiences. A cunt's programme full of cunts. It's an embarrassment for a balanced news output. 

[Vincent Vega]

We were using immigration to get people to do the jobs that Brits didn’t want to do long before the EU was even a pipe dream. Pre-WW2 it was the Irish, and post WW2 we brought in people from the Indian subcontinent and the Caribbean. This ideology of the country getting by with only high skilled (preferably white) immigrants in high paid jobs isn’t sustainable.
 

The government’s arguments on this are completely spurious and are only being used to try and ensure they get another majority at the next election. They certainly are not in the interests of the country.

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

QT have for a long time selected loaded panels and audiences. A cunt's programme full of cunts. It's an embarrassment for a balanced news output. 

Doesn’t it reflect the views of the town it’s filmed in? So if say Colchester voted out by 60% they make sure 60% of the audience are leave voters. 

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Doesn’t it reflect the views of the town it’s filmed in? So if say Colchester voted out by 60% they make sure 60% of the audience are leave voters. 

 

Yeah, they try to have a representative audience, that's why what she's asking for is legitimate.

 

In the age of Twitter bubbles it looks awful though and people will pounce on it because, well, living in perpetual anger is better than a minutes critical thought.

[No2]

17 hours ago, skend04 said:

So they're getting 90p for laying or installing materials they can't get a hold of meaning they're not getting the 90p because they aren't laying or installing or fixing anything. You see where your fairy story is going awry right.

Boss we have no blocks, OK I'll pay you and pound extra for every block you lay, thanks boss you're the best and Gnasher too, we couldn't gave done it without you.

[Anubis]

4 hours ago, skend04 said:

QT have for a long time selected loaded panels and audiences. A cunt's programme full of cunts. It's an embarrassment for a balanced news output. 

Yes. The producer got caught on Britain First's social media drumming up audience members.

[Gnasher]

On 07/10/2021 at 18:35, Karl_b said:

On your second paragraph, this is definitely happening. Big sites are having problems but perhaps more so are the small, local builders. They're unable to get materials, what they can is often very expensive and subsequently they either can't physically start work or the price is so high that people won't pay it. I know builders at both ends of the scale that are suffering, clients won't foot the extra costs.

Very true, not sure how much is to do with Brexit or our own governments incompetence but it'd be foolish to say Brexit hasn't had an effect on the price and access to certain building materials. You're right though it's proving to be a massive problem and although the pendulum has definitely swung towards the employees/contactor over the past year I can't see this situation being sustainable in the mid/long term. 

 

As you say small works will halt as customers won't Foot the higher costs leading to workers going back to larger firms/sites (who could also be struggling with a materials shortage) so driving down wages.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Repped because of the way your phone automatically capitalises Foot.

[Gnasher]

On 08/10/2021 at 12:21, No2 said:

Boss we have no blocks, OK I'll pay you and pound extra for every block you lay, thanks boss you're the best and Gnasher too, we couldn't gave done it without you.

Im not that important and i have no idea how much bricklayers are on per block It's why I mentioned metres. I'd imagine the rate of bricklayers has risen not only due to Covid/Brexit but large contractors steering clear of using preformed wooden/steel structures with a cladded finish on new buildings after the disastrous fire seen a few years ago in West London. I'd suggest a block layer will charge accordingly to the amount of blocks/bricks they can lay, ie they'll charge less per block if the run of work involves plenty of blocks/bricks and continuous runs and more for a smaller more awkward run of work. 

 

Building materials since Covid/Brexit are the new cocaine, cocky Warren is probably organising bags of pink powdered plaster to be driven up and down the motorways of Britain from his prison cell as we speak, powder from Columbia is yesterdays news, as an aside I have it on good authority he also voted to come out, although that might have been to a different question.

 

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/ebay-sellers-lancashire-hike-plaster-18580093

 

If the materials to earn money are scarce tradesmen are entitled to look elsewhere and if tradesmen do move elsewhere (and tradesmen are now thin on the ground) then bigger problems occur. The ball is most definitely in the court of the employees at the moment although if these shortages continue then employers may make their own cuts so imo its a precarious situation for all. 

 

The real issue over Brexit, the real elephant in the room and the issue most of the London centered Labour/Change UK/Yuppie types are struggling with is that Brexit has definitely put the subject of low paid wages firmly on the table, first time in decades. We're now in a situation where so called Labour supporters are showing a certain amount of sympathy to billionaire factory owners who are having to increase wages and conditions for the first time in years because they can no longer use European cheap labour.

 

But of course some haven't had to put up with conditions like below, 

 

The Labour right/Change UK mob let Cummings/Cairns steal the age old socialist mantra from Benn/Foot/Atlee/Bevan because they knew leaving the EU would not only increase the wages of certain low paid sectors in the UK but also expose the Labour right/ChangeUK  mob as the phoney capitalists that they are, which it has.