Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Spy Bee]

You do not need to be thick or racist to be wanting us to get out of the EU. You really don't.

 

But it is amazing how pretty much all of the stupidest people around want to leave. And it pretty much always boils down to the best efforts they can muster for hiding their petty little prejudices behind tiny little fig leaves.We all know it, we all see it. Check your facebook. Yep the derpiest fucking derps are the loudest, least logical and most xenophobic...and they all want to get out of the EU.

 

Basically, they don't like immigrants and for that they are, pretty much unknowingly, going to give up most of their employment rights and protections. Turkeys, the lot of 'em.

That suggest a correlation between intelligence and prejudice, and I don't think there necessarily is one.

[VladimirIlyich]

Which doesn't make sense as with staying in the EU with more immigration that will bring, the bigger the population the more damage to the environment, building of housing on green belt land, cars etc etc.

Immigration? You do realise that most of Merseyside wouldnt exist without immigration? Most of us are 1st,2nd,3rd,4th generation Irish,and fair few are from Africa,Asia etc. Immigration is a shoddy argument by itself.

[Stu Monty]

Ace when people who don't like immigrants decide to make out it's because of the environment, isn't it?

 

I hear Poles give off excessive carbon dioxide you know.

[M_B]

Britain is an ageing population. The fact is we don't produce enough kids that will pay for our Health Care and Pensions, so if we curb immigration then we'll need to get very busy in the bedroom.

 

Either that or accept we'll need to work forever......

[cloggypop]

Ace when people who don't like immigrants decide to make out it's because of the environment, isn't it?

 

I hear Poles give off excessive carbon dioxide you know.

The idea that some people being in the UK instead of another part of Europe has an effect on ecology is fucking hilarious.

[Gnasher]

It's not immigration that frightens environmentalists about the closed shop EU. It's shit like this

 

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/eu-trade-deal-faces-scrutiny-document-leak-160502141421897.html

[skend04]

It's not immigration that frightens environmentalists about the closed shop EU. It's shit like this

 

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/eu-trade-deal-faces-scrutiny-document-leak-160502141421897.html

Either this is posturing or TTIP will be kicked into the long grass but it likely won't happen this side of the US Elections.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-talks-france-francois-hollande-deal-agreement-transatlantic-trade-partnership-a7011986.html

[cloggypop]

It's not immigration that frightens environmentalists about the closed shop EU. It's shit like this

 

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/eu-trade-deal-faces-scrutiny-document-leak-160502141421897.html

We've covered this. The EU has far more chance of preventing TTIP loss of environmental regulations than the UK alone.

 

Green organisations are overwhelmingly in favour of the UK staying in.

[Gnasher]

Either this is posturing or TTIP will be kicked into the long grass but it likely won't happen this side of the US Elections.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ttip-talks-france-francois-hollande-deal-agreement-transatlantic-trade-partnership-a7011986.html

 

True but not really the point. The placard in the picture says it all "don't throw away our democracy"

 

It's a very thin slice of democracy we hold but it's better than a bunch of unelected Eu bureacrats making closed shop deals behind our back without any chance of them being debated or overturned.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Ace when people who don't like immigrants decide to make out it's because of the environment, isn't it?

 

I hear Poles give off excessive carbon dioxide you know.

 

Just a convenient excuse to make themselves feel that being British is a cut above the rest.

 

I particularly like the line a lot of them use, "We are not totally against immigrants, we just want the good ones." 

[skend04]

True but not really the point. The placard in the picture says it all "don't throw away our democracy"

 

It's a very thin slice of democracy we hold but it's better than a bunch of unelected Eu bureacrats making closed shop deals behind our back without any chance of them being debated or overturned.

There's very little that's democratic about policy making in the UK.

 

As an aside every holidaymaker in Benidorm last week is going to vote out according to one of the guys in the office who has just come back today whilst complaining about the exchange rate. Would Alanis Morrisette say that's ironic? (The exchange rate bit).

[Gnasher]

There's very little that's democratic about policy making in the UK.

 

As an aside every holidaymaker in Benidorm last week is going to vote out according to one of the guys in the office who has just come back today whilst complaining about the exchange rate. Would Alanis Morrisette say that's ironic? (The exchange rate bit).

I agree our so called democracy is very tenuous at best but at least you a link to hold your mp or government to acount, you won't have that with the EU, this trade agreement proves it.

 

It seems like people are saying our democracy is a bit shit so let's vote in something even less democratic than the shit democracy we keep complaining about.

[ElishaScottBC]

It's a very thin slice of democracy we hold but it's better than a bunch of unelected Eu bureacrats making closed shop deals behind our back without any chance of them being debated or overturned.

 

European laws are made by unelected bureaucrats.

 

Not true. The European Commission doesn’t make laws. It only makes proposals, which are then debated, amended and passed (or rejected) by elected national governments and directly-elected MEPs. Evidence

In any case, Commissioners themselves are accountable to the European Parliament, which elects its president, approves its appointment and can dismiss it by a vote of no confidence. Evidence

 

[njackets]

Vote to stay, vote with the global banking elite...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/official-pro-european-union-campaign-is-part-funded-by-goldman-s/?WT.mc_id=e_DM117936&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_05_12&utm_campaign=DM117936

[Rico1304]

Just a convenient excuse to make themselves feel that being British is a cut above the rest.

 

I particularly like the line a lot of them use, "We are not totally against immigrants, we just want the good ones."

 

Doesn't every country only want the good ones? Why would you want a 'bad one'?

[cloggypop]

Aaron Banks is the man behind most of the leave funding (six million quids worth). He sounds nice.

 

Banks is currently[when?] the Chief Executive of Southern Rock Insurance Company, which underwrites insurance policies for the website GoSkippy.com which was founded by Banks.[7][8] He previously co-foundedBrightside Group in 2005, and served as itsCEO from June 2011 to June 2012 at which time the company was listed on theAlternative Investment Market (AIM).[9] After Banks' departure, Brightside took legal action against him, alleging he used confidential information in setting up GoSkippy.com six months later. There were also legal actions between Southern Rock and Brightside.[3][10]

 

He previously served as CEO of AIM listedManx Financial Group from April 2008 to February 2009, and Chief Executive of Group Direct Limited.[11]

 

In 2016, the leaked Panama Papers indicated Banks was the shareholder of British Virgin Islands company PRI Holdings Limited, which was the sole shareholder of African Strategic Resources Limited.[12] Banks has stated that he has a controlling interest in a diamond mine in Kimberley, Northern Cape, and a licence to mine in Lesotho.[3][13]

 

Banks has an estimated wealth of £100 million.[3]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Banks

[Stu Monty]

True but not really the point. The placard in the picture says it all "don't throw away our democracy"

 

It's a very thin slice of democracy we hold but it's better than a bunch of unelected Eu bureacrats making closed shop deals behind our back without any chance of them being debated or overturned.

 

Mate, come on, what's all this "Unelected EU bureaucrats" tosh?

 

You vote for your MEP, same as you vote for your MP.

 

Given that most UK policy gets put together by unelected special advisers I think this line is a bit rich, don't you?

[Stu Monty]

Vote to stay, vote with the global banking elite...

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/official-pro-european-union-campaign-is-part-funded-by-goldman-s/?WT.mc_id=e_DM117936&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2016_05_12&utm_campaign=DM117936

 

Genuine question. 

 

Are you not arsed about losing all of your employment protections? Believe me, without the EU telling them they can't our government will take a machete to them.

[njackets]

Genuine question.

 

Are you not arsed about losing all of your employment protections? Believe me, without the EU telling them they can't our government will take a machete to them.

The same people who will take a machete to our employment rights are the same people desperate to keep us in, doesn't quite add up.

[Stu Monty]

The same people who will take a machete to our employment rights are the same people desperate to keep us in, doesn't quite add up.

 

Not if you're a terrible simpleton, I suppose. Someone who literally cannot do anything but deal in simple linear thinking.

 

They want to keep us in for other reasons. Not because they are arsed about employment rights. You know, like the one's you yourself are pointing out - like pressure from the banks. 

 

That doesn't mean that if we vote out they aren't going to fill their boots with the rather huge silver lining that they can hack employment rights to fuck. Maybe you should actually listen to what the Brexit supporters views are on employment rights. They don't like them, they want to fuck them off. Don't come crying to me when your annual leave gets hacked in half, maternity and paternity leave goes out the window and you're working more hours.

 

But you can at least warm yourself with the thought that we "Got our borders back!" - which means absolutely nothing.

[njackets]

Vote to remain in a corrupt organisation (We prob wont get a chance to have another say on this ever) else... "The Tories will get us" im sorry not a strong enough argument, defeatest no balls bullshit!

[Stu Monty]

Vote to remain in a corrupt organisation (We prob wont get a chance to have another say on this ever) else... "The Tories will get us" im sorry not a strong enough argument, defeatest no balls bullshit!

Do you keep reducing specific, lengthy criticisms into silly lines for your own benefit or somebody else's?

 

Also, how is it "defeatist" or lacking in bravery?

[cloggypop]

Do you keep reducing specific, lengthy criticisms into silly lines for your own benefit or somebody else's?

 

Also, how is it "defeatist" or lacking in bravery?

I'm going to guess it's because of the immigrants.

[Clem H Fandango]

leave.

 

cameron wants to stay in. cant trust anything he says.

[Strontium]

Quite frankly, I would like to direct anyone who wants to leave the EU to the nearest deep sea trench. No bureaucrats there.

 

It is utterly fucking mental. How can so many people want to give up their employment rights? How can so many people want to give up their freedom to live and work across an entire continent? How can so many people want to pay crippling import duties on stuff they buy from Europe?