Debrecen Away 24/11/2009

[Jack the Sipper]

There are two ways we can still have an interest in the last group game.

 

1. We beat Debrecen and Lyon beat Fiorentina. Then any kind of win for us against Fiorentina will see us through.

 

2. We bear Debrecen and Lyon and Fiorentina draw. Then we have to beat Fiorentina by three clear goals to progress.

 

Any other combination of results tomorrow night and we are out.

 

I think there's a third way too.

 

If we thump Debrecen (say 9-0), and Fiorentina draw, then we could beat Fiorentina by two clear goals, and (as our head-to-head GD would be the same) go through, having a superior overall goal difference.

 

Also, if we end up with the same points and the same overall GD, wouldn't we go through on the co-effecient rule?

 

I'm clutching at straws here, but hey...

[Xherdan]

I smell the blood of Speedy G.

[Paco]

REDS TAKE 18-MAN SQUAD TO HUNGARY

 

no babel but agger there

[stevienando]

NO VORONIN WOOHOO.

 

Ngog is basically the only striker there, the pressure is definitely on him seeing as we have to score to have a chance of progressing. I can see us getting a scrappy 1-0 from a set-piece.

[Paco]

------------------------------Reina---------------------------

 

Johnson----------Carragher-------------Agger-----------Aurelio

 

 

-----------------Mascherano--------Aquilani-------------------

 

 

Benayoun--------------------Gerrard---------------------Riera

 

 

------------------------------Ngog----------------------------

 

 

Not sure if all the above are fit but thats what i'd go with. Lucas has played a lot of football and was partly to blame for the second goal on saturday and he missed a great chance to win it. Dirk has been chuff for ages and maybe being dropped would be the boot on the hole he needs.

[dirty_sanchez]

We'll lose to Debrecen anyway, so it makes no difference.

[Fowlers God]

I think there's a third way too.

 

If we thump Debrecen (say 9-0), and Fiorentina draw, then we could beat Fiorentina by two clear goals, and (as our head-to-head GD would be the same) go through, having a superior overall goal difference.

 

Also, if we end up with the same points and the same overall GD, wouldn't we go through on the co-effecient rule?

 

I'm clutching at straws here, but hey...

 

co-effecient rule? whats that then?

[aws]

co-effecient rule? whats that then?

 

UEFA rankings.

[zigackly]

co-effecient rule? whats that then?

 

Teams with the same points, same head to head results and same goal difference are judged on their UEFA coefficient. We have the highest in the group.

[Wezza]

Given the amount of players we have injured/just coming back from injuries, why have we only taken 18 players (the amount for a matchday squad)? Or can you only take 18 and then call up others if necessary? What happens if the likes of Agger/Babel/Aurelio/Yossi/Gerrard break down? Will they basically just be unused subs, or can we call on other players from our 25 man Champions League squad, to fly out to Hungary?

 

Not sure, but given our current run on injuries, I would have taken a third goal keeper just incase one of them does something before kick off :eek:

[kopitegaz]

Dear Lord,

 

I'm not overly religious, although I regularly worshipped your Dad between 1993 & 2007 (even when he wasnt playing for us). Therefore, I was wondering if I'm a good boy for the next 24 hours, will you put in motion a series of events that keeps us in the Champions League beyond 9.30pm (GMT) tomorrow?

 

Thine be the glory, the fire and the brimstone, the big beardy types, and much rambling and mumbling.

 

Forever and ever.

Amen.

[Ted]

Going into a game like this with Ngog as our only striker just makes me sad.

[Woo]

N'Gog will definitely score tomorrow, as will Stevie.

[Lucky Pierre]

I think if Fiorentina don't win tomorrow, we're through. This is where we thrive. He just needs to get the last few results out of their mind. Take them for a few bevvies tonight curtesy of him or the club, and tell them it's a clean slate tomorrow. New start to the season, and we'll beat them. Then if we need to beat Fiorentina (3-0 or not) we'll do it.

[Antynwa]

I can see Lyon beating Fiorentina more than I can us beating Debrecen.

[Ted]

Draw in Fiorentina, probably.

[Whelan]

Reinna

Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Aurelio

Bennynoon, Lucas, Mascherano, Aquiliani

Gerrard

Kuyt

[Lucky Pierre]

Aqui's not quite ready to start.

[Unrighteous]

N'gog will score 4 goals.

[Woo]

---------------Reina--------------

 

Johnson---Carra---Agger---Aurelio

 

-------Mascherano--Aquilani-------

 

---Benayoun----Gerrard----Riera---

 

-----------------N'Gog-------------

[WhiskeyJar]

N'gog will score 4 goals.

 

Yes....FUCK YES.

 

On a more serious note if Aquilani starts we will thrash them.

 

Simply put.

[WhiskeyJar]

---------------Reina--------------

 

Johnson---Carra---Agger---Aurelio

 

-------Mascherano--Aquilani-------

 

---Benayoun----Gerrard----Riera---

 

-----------------N'Gog-------------

 

Consider yourself concured.

[Rex Banner]

Does anyone else agree with me that playing Ngog, Kuyt, Voronin, Babel or any of our strikers apart from Nando up front on their own isn't a great idea.

None of them are capable of leading the line anywhere near how Nando can.

We should only play 1 up front when it's Nando, how is playing a relatively inexperienced Ngog up on his own a good idea? Give him some help, why are we so afraid of playing 4-4-2 these days it's just another example of being unwilling to change with the circumstances.

[WhiskeyJar]

Does anyone else agree with me that playing Ngog, Kuyt, Voronin, Babel or any of our strikers apart from Nando up front on their own isn't a great idea.

None of them are capable of leading the line anywhere near how Nando can.

We should only play 1 up front when it's Nando, how is playing a relatively inexperienced Ngog up on his own a good idea? Give him some help, why are we so afraid of playing 4-4-2 these days it's just another example of being unwilling to change with the circumstances.

 

I dont think we have the wingers to play a 4-4-2.

[Ted]

I don't think we have the strikers to play 4-4-2.