Straw refuses Shields pardon

[rargh]

Michael may or may not have had a fair trial but it doesn't make him innocent does it? His guilt shouldn't be linked to the incompetence of the courts but of the facts of the case. If Straw has said no, then there would be good reason for doing so. I'd hope.

 

The same "good reason" that led the spineless cunt to refuse a new enquiry regarding Hillsborough, despite of the facts of the case? The same "good reason" that led him to release somebody whose conviction was 100% water-tight just because it was in the public eye at the time that his gf was dying, and doing so might hoodwink people into believing that his party are the good guys after all?

 

Straw is a cunt.

 

In your first sentence you say "Michael may or may not have had a fair trial."

 

If you can't be sure yourself of whether or not his trial was fair, how can you be sure that there is "good reason" to assume his guilt?

[Antynwa]

The same "good reason" that led the spineless cunt to refuse a new enquiry regarding Hillborough, despite of the facts of the case? The same "good reason" that led him to release somebody whose conviction was 100% water-tight just because it was in the public eye at the time that his gf was dying, and doing so might hoodwink people into believing that his party are the good guys after all?

 

Straw is a cunt.

 

In your first sentence you say "Michael may or may not have had a fair trial."

 

If you can't be sure yourself of whether or not his trial was fair, how can you be sure that there is "good reason" to assume his guilt?

 

Well played

[Gray - YPC]

With "friends" like this, who needs enemies?

[Gray - YPC]

The same "good reason" that led the spineless cunt to refuse a new enquiry regarding Hillsborough, despite of the facts of the case? The same "good reason" that led him to release somebody whose conviction was 100% water-tight just because it was in the public eye at the time that his gf was dying, and doing so might hoodwink people into believing that his party are the good guys after all?

 

Straw is a cunt.

 

In your first sentence you say "Michael may or may not have had a fair trial."

 

If you can't be sure yourself of whether or not his trial was fair, how can you be sure that there is "good reason" to assume his guilt?

 

Correct.

 

Jack Straw is just showing the same colours that he's shown throughout his tenure.

[Stu Monty]

I reckon the lad deserves a re-trial; framing the debate as always being about his innocence does no favours at all.

 

I'm also always slightly downheartened when I read stuff about Shields. It tends to remind me about how selective people are about their disgust for injustice and how inconsistent the fight they summon can be.

 

If it was about a Chelsea fan a lot of people wouldn't give a fuck; which is a shame.

[Yahweh]

I'm devastated for the lad.

 

It's an absolute fucking disgrace.

 

Agreed.

 

Some of the comments on this thread are a disgrace.

[Yahweh]

The same "good reason" that led the spineless cunt to refuse a new enquiry regarding Hillsborough, despite of the facts of the case? The same "good reason" that led him to release somebody whose conviction was 100% water-tight just because it was in the public eye at the time that his gf was dying, and doing so might hoodwink people into believing that his party are the good guys after all?

 

Straw is a cunt.

 

In your first sentence you say "Michael may or may not have had a fair trial."

 

If you can't be sure yourself of whether or not his trial was fair, how can you be sure that there is "good reason" to assume his guilt?

 

Didn't see this at first glance but great post.

[ElSeano]

Unbelievable, who needs Mancs with a fuckin site like this?

 

All well and good saying shite from behind a keyboard you complete and utter gang of spastics. Any need to be so smug?

[ritchie]

What people forget is if it wasn't Shields that did it, then it was another Liverpool fan who did it.

 

Someone had to carry the can for that attack and Shields has done. If Shields is innocent then I hope the person who did carry out the attack can live with himself. If he still goes to the match, I bet he didn't hold that mosaic up :whatever:

[Yahweh]

Unbelievable, who needs Mancs with a fuckin site like this?

 

All well and good saying shite from behind a keyboard you complete and utter gang of spastics. Any need to be so smug?

 

This is the thinking mans Liverpool forum apparently.

[109_ultra]

Unbelievable, who needs Mancs with a fuckin site like this?

 

All well and good saying shite from behind a keyboard you complete and utter gang of spastics. Any need to be so smug?

 

Unbelievable shit house comments as well in reference to the lads family. Talk about kicking someone whilst they're down.

[ritchie]

Unbelievable shit house comments as well in reference to the lads family. Talk about kicking someone whilst they're down.

 

I think alot of us just find it hard to be swept away with the perception of the lad being innocent.

 

If he didn't do it then the bastard who did needs to be brought to justice.

[ElSeano]

Have any of these gimps making these comments actually been around Michael's family and seen how they are coping?

 

All of those people who think he's not innocent are obviously lazy to look into the case and are just trying to be controversial. If you did your research, there would be no doubt. Simple as.

[Antynwa]

All of those people who think he's not innocent are obviously lazy to look into the case and are just trying to be controversial. If you did your research, there would be no doubt. Simple as.

 

Exactly, to come the conclusion that MS is guility as sin upon reading up on the case would only prove that you are indeed a massive fucking loon.

[Stu Monty]

Have any of these gimps making these comments actually been around Michael's family and seen how they are coping?

 

All of those people who think he's not innocent are obviously lazy to look into the case and are just trying to be controversial. If you did your research, there would be no doubt. Simple as.

 

Why would that be relevant to people making comments for or against a pardon?

[ritchie]

Have any of these gimps making these comments actually been around Michael's family and seen how they are coping?

 

All of those people who think he's not innocent are obviously lazy to look into the case and are just trying to be controversial. If you did your research, there would be no doubt. Simple as.

 

Who did do it then?

[jamespp]

Is he out in May 2010 or in 10 years? it say both on the BBC website

[ElSeano]

Why would that be relevant to people making comments for or against a pardon?

 

I was asking in reply to the person above my post who said people on here were making inappropriate comments about his family, see?

 

I'm disgusted tbh, all this shite about one of our own. Carry on you cyber warriors.

[DonaldDonaldson]

Have any of these gimps making these comments actually been around Michael's family and seen how they are coping?

 

All of those people who think he's not innocent are obviously lazy to look into the case and are just trying to be controversial. If you did your research, there would be no doubt. Simple as.

 

Interesting concept; if the family of a convicted criminal are having a hard time accepting the verdict, this must mean that the convicted criminal is actually innocent.

[kop77]

I was asking in reply to the person above my post who said people on here were making inappropriate comments about his family, see?

 

I'm disgusted tbh, all this shite about one of our own. Carry on you cyber warriors.

 

true mate this forum must have the biggest collection of twats.

[Antynwa]

Why would that be relevant to people making comments for or against a pardon?

 

Depends, I've had the pleasure of meeting Michael's immediate family on two separate occasions. They don't come across to me as a family hell bent on getting their lad off the knick for something he did, nor do they come across as a dodgy family.

 

Michael comes from a hard working, working class family. After meeting them, and doing my own research into the case based on media interviews with specialisists, along with other things I have picked up upon. To come to the conclusion that the man is a hooligan doing what hooligans do, coming from a dodgy family is completely and utterly fucking mental.

 

Here we have an 18 year old, looking for a cheap way to get to see his football team, a lad with a bright future and with no previous criminal records, or indeed anything attached to him to suggest he could be capable of such an act, banged up for a crime with so much doubt attached to it that as mentioned it probably wouldn't even have gone to court, even in the most corrupt of places.

 

Lets take the notion of 'is he isn't he' innocent, because as much as I believe he is it isn't really the point. The point is that he didn't have a fair trial, Michael has stressed time and time again he wants another trial, and has even said he'll go back to Bulgaria to prove his innocence.

 

Based on what I have read, heard and managed to find out about the case, Michael is 100% innocent, to come to a conclusion other than that either proves you are thick, or indeed Bulgarian.

[hamstrung]

What's the problem with people not having a firm judgment on his innocence or guilt? Seems fairly reasonable to me. Personally, I don't know enough about the minutiae of the case to comfortably say anything definitive. I suspect plenty of others are in the same boat, but are happy doing so nevertheless.

 

I think 99.9% of people would agree he didn't have a fair trail, but that's a completely different thing.

[Stu Monty]

I was asking in reply to the person above my post who said people on here were making inappropriate comments about his family, see?

 

I'm disgusted tbh, all this shite about one of our own. Carry on you cyber warriors.

 

This one of our own shite does nobody any good. Was the lad who shot that Everton supporting kid one of our own too? How about Joey Barton's axe-weilding relative, is he one of our own?

 

The fact you popped out a vag in the same voting ward as someone does not make you eternally tied to their fortunes. Support justice by all means, but maybe do it because you believe that all people deserve it, not just people who wear the same replica shirt as you.

[DonaldDonaldson]

true mate this forum must have the biggest collection of twats.

 

What's your opinion of Bradley Thompson then, seeing how he confessed to attacking the waiter with Shields and Anthony Wilson?

[Antynwa]

If it was about a Chelsea fan a lot of people wouldn't give a fuck; which is a shame.

 

Tensions wouldn't be as high, and why would they.

 

Michael was an 18 year old lad, doing what 18 year old lads do, following Liverpool home and away, and watched them win the Champions League Final.

 

He's one of our own, he's innocent.

 

It's 'scouse solidarity'