Russia v Ukraine

[SasaS]

I think it's time for another reposting of that former head of the British army tweet.

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think it's time for another reposting of that former head of the British army tweet.

What has he said thats not true? We will indeed need to talk to the Russians eventually and the economic sanctions are hurting us as well as them. What's not true? 

 

We could/should have offered to stop the sanctions in return for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine. 

[Rico1304]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What has he said thats not true? We will indeed need to talk to the Russians eventually and the economic sanctions are hurting us as well as them. What's not true? 

 

We could/should have offered to stop the sanctions in return for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine. 

(Regular viewers will notice a subtle change of position here.  No longer calling for Ukraine to cede Donbas but for Russia to withdraw completely).  

[SasaS]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What has he said thats not true? We will indeed need to talk to the Russians eventually and the economic sanctions are hurting us as well as them. What's not true? 

 

We could/should have offered to stop the sanctions in return for Russia's withdrawal from Ukraine. 

The part where he is advising Ukrainian chief of staff to go and tell his president, look we cannot push the Russians back?

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

(Regular viewers will notice a subtle change of position here.  No longer calling for Ukraine to cede Donbas but for Russia to withdraw completely).  

Nope, same.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

The part where he is advising Ukrainian chief of staff to go and tell his president, look we cannot push the Russians back?

He believes/believed Russia will not be pushed out of the Donbass and Crimea, as Zelensky demands. It's a perfectly logical opinion to hold and as such the offer of giving the Russians a golden bridge to fuck off over is/was entirely sensible.

[SasaS]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

He believes/believed Russia will not be pushed out of the Donbass and Crimea, as Zelensky demands. It's a perfectly logical opinion to hold and as such the offer of giving the Russians a golden bridge to fuck off over is/was entirely sensible.

You just never give up, do you?

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

You just never give up, do you?

The row back and attempts to rewrite history will be epic. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

You just never give up, do you?

Danett was suggesting talks as a means to cut the war short with the goal of easing the adverse effects of sanctions. Entirely sensible position to take and to hold. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The row back and attempts to rewrite history will be epic. 

"epic'

[SasaS]

I find this significant if true, Kozachla Lopan is a village / small town northeast of Kharkiv, which Russians fiercely defended in previous Ukrainian offensives and I think it is one of the few settlement there that didn't change hands. It protects a "GLOC" from Belgorod to this area or something. This could indicate Russians are giving up entire territory north of Kharkiv (or may have already, whilst everybody is focused on Kupyans - Izyum area, UKR have also launched and offensive there in the past two weeks, which would be three or four simultaneously).

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

That's why the Russians have lost so many top brass, . 

Hopefully now they’ll stop popping up when I’m trying to stream a 3 o’clock game 

[SasaS]

Apparently, Russians have decided to abandon the entire Kharkiv Oblast.

[SasaS]

And more from Tom. Now he's pooping on the party.

 

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-11-september-2022-a-review-8f87459fb47e

 

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Danett was suggesting talks as a means to cut the war short 

Was he the Afghanistan guy for the UK?

 

EDIT: never mind, he was. Name is misspelled there.

Doing a search with correct spelling shows him in a couple other thread previously - couple of posts, one by Rashid and one by Dennis - so newfound respect for him as a military and social commentator.

[Rico1304]

Tough watch for some on here.  
 

 

[M_B]

I'm surprised there is anti war dialogue on their TV frankly. Very brave to suggest peace talks and listening to the Ukrainians.

 

The guardian had an interesting article about the russian right wingers on social media. They too are voicing discontent. Something has to give - either full mobilisation or a willingness to enter peace talks. 

 

The worry is the Russians use a tactical nuke. Even if they do fully mobilize, they still won't take Ukraine and might not even be able to hold on to the occupied territory. They may get desperate. 

[Strontium]

Thank goodness we didn't stop arming Ukraine as some suggested.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Tough watch for some on here.  
 

 

That's a brutal final line.

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

I'm surprised there is anti war dialogue on their TV frankly. Very brave to suggest peace talks and listening to the Ukrainians.

 

The guardian had an interesting article about the russian right wingers on social media. They too are voicing discontent. Something has to give - either full mobilisation or a willingness to enter peace talks. 

 

The worry is the Russians use a tactical nuke. Even if they do fully mobilize, they still won't take Ukraine and might not even be able to hold on to the occupied territory. They may get desperate. 

They won't use nukes. What they will probably do for now is increasingly focus on more sophisticated rocket attacks on infrastructure deeper in Ukraine, like yesterday's coordinated attack on electrical power infrastructure. Maybe some cyber stuff too.

[Gnasher]

42 minutes ago, SasaS said:

They won't use nukes.

Aww that's reassuring.

 

It's lucky Putin hasn't a recent history of making wild and irrational decisions so making his actions easy to predict.

42 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

What they will probably do for now is increasingly focus on more sophisticated rocket attacks on infrastructure deeper in Ukraine, like yesterday's coordinated attack on electrical power infrastructure. Maybe some cyber stuff too.

 

[Rico1304]

21 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Aww that's reassuring.

 

It's lucky Putin hasn't a recent history of making wild and irrational decisions so making his actions easy to predict.

 

So his decisions are now wild and irrational rather than understandable after NATO provocation. 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

So his decisions are now wild and irrational rather than understandable after NATO provocation. 

Not many predicted his invasion of Ukraine Rico, even as he assembled his troops on the border.

[SasaS]

M_B predicted it.

[Section_31]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Not many predicted his invasion of Ukraine Rico, even as he assembled his troops on the border.

I think everyone did to be fair, it was about as subtle as a salesman's watch.