FSG are not shit

[Red74]

The simple world of Fan economics.

Footballs a simple game made difficult by know it all smart arses who offer nothing to the conversation other than being a sneering tit

[Thoth]

Well that escalated quickly... so are they shit or not I can't work it out now

[Dave D]

Well that escalated quickly... so are they shit or not I can't work it out now

 

Neither can I and I started the bloody thread

[jimmycase]

Yeah, probably cos they've acted like a big club. You can see how it's gone down. They've shit themselves back before Xmas when they were struggling to keep up and have thought fuck this, we need to be back in that champions league asap.

They've identified who the top forwards are who'll be available this summer.

A) Aubameyang B) Neymar C) Griezman.

A) has made noises all year about promising his dad he'll play for Madrid. B) PSG are gonna blow everyone out the water for him C) no way are they letting him go to Barca as well as lose their manager so he's going abroad.

Buy out clause is £85 mill and he wants £300 pwk.

Margianilise Rooney and get him out and there's the wages covered.

No international tournaments next summer so get him in early and market the shit out of him and his best mate pogba and get a world tour of shirt sales to reduce the purchase costs.

Mata and martial will be shipped in the summer and there's the rest of him paid for.

 

While we'll have been sitting there thinking how can we get 2 kids no one has heard of or seen play like pulisuc and Brandt on the cheap next summer. It's all about ambition and budgeting in the right way instead of being clever which is what we just we won't do.

 

I'd like us to have been thinking in similar lines like, lets go and get griezman and can we get for sturridge, ings and origi and make up the difference in what we didn't spend last summer, marketing etc. Wasn't that long ago we were outselling everyone shirtwise, we go for a few class acts this summer and they'll look like bargains soon

 

They have a massively bigger budget than us even if FSG went apeshit with the cash.

[SlugTrail]

Neither can I and I started the bloody thread

I believe we are all pissed off as we wanted sensible owners who would stabilise the club and let it spend what it earns. Now we all realise that night cat was the smartest man in the room and we need a zillion air owner to bankroll us

[Cardie]

Footballs a simple game made difficult by know it all smart arses who offer nothing to the conversation other than being a sneering tit

 

Let's dig a bit deeper then.

 

 

 

Buy out clause is £85 mill and he wants £300 pwk.

 

Assuming those figures are correct, and on the basis of a 5 year deal, while disregarding a sizeable signing on fee, in game bonuses (win, draw, goals, assists, appearances), and bonuses for cup progression, league wins and qualification for competitions, it would put the initial outlay on Griezman at approx. 163,000,000 (transfer fee plus 300k x 52 x 5).

 

For accounting purposes it would cost Man Utd approx. 32.6 million per season over the length of his contract.

 

To cover that you've suggested the following.

 

 

 

Margianilise Rooney and get him out and there's the wages covered. 

 

Presumably in your scenario it's a fairly easy task to marginalise Utd's top scorer and force him to leave the club by the summer, there's no consideration to that beyond we need that 15 million a year you're out.

 

 

 

No international tournaments next summer so get him in early and market the shit out of him and his best mate pogba and get a world tour of shirt sales to reduce the purchase costs. 

 

Man Utd averaged approx 1.75 million shirt sales per year between 2011 and 2016.

 

The current cost of the Men's Utd shirt on the website is £60 discounted down to £50 but for the sake of this we'll use £60

 

The manufacturers cut from kit sales is roughly 85-90% let's be generous and say it's the lower 85% so Utd make £9 on every shirt sold (we'll ignore socks and shorts for simplicity and because full kit wankers).

 

That means they made around 15.75 Million from the sale of kits for ALL players, they'd need to double the shirt sales across the board just to cover the Griezmans in year cost, the amount he would generate on his own (or with Pogba) would be negligible to the overall cost of the transfer.

 

 

 

 

Mata and martial will be shipped in the summer and there's the rest of him paid for.

 

While this would certainly bring in the largest chunk but there are factors to consider in the sale of these players.

 

If Mata is sold in the summer he'll have cost Utd around £60.5 million (37.1 million in transfer fees plus 23.4 million in wages having deducted the approx 7.8 million for the final year). WIth only a year left on his deal (and assuming the talk of him signing a new deal doesn't happen) they're likely to make only a fraction of that back although they can add the 7.8 million a year back into the coffers towards Griezman.

 

Martial is far more complicated, Utd made an initial down payment of around 15 million with a further 22 million last the summer, he has clauses worth a further 22 million built into the deal signed with Monaco. 

 

The amount of money Utd get from his sale will depend entirely on what kind of safeguards Monaco have built into the deal to protect themselves from man utd selling him on.

 

The sale of these two could still bring in a significant chunk but there are alot of if's and but's built into that, it's certainly not as simple as 'that's the rest of him paid for' given the massive investment they'd be making.

 

Unfortunately football is far more complicated in some aspects than we, or many news outlets, like to make out and rarely do the flashy headline figures give the whole story.

 

*All the figures are best guesses, and by no means definitive, I haven't verified them against multiple sources so it's quite possible there's fluctuation, in some instances I'm also using out of date data in the absence of current information. A lot of the accounting practices are far more involved but places like swiss ramble do a good job of breaking them down.

[ZonkoVille77]

Yer ma

[Red74]

Let's dig a bit deeper then.

 

 

Assuming those figures are correct, and on the basis of a 5 year deal, while disregarding a sizeable signing on fee, in game bonuses (win, draw, goals, assists, appearances), and bonuses for cup progression, league wins and qualification for competitions, it would put the initial outlay on Griezman at approx. 163,000,000 (transfer fee plus 300k x 52 x 5).

 

For accounting purposes it would cost Man Utd approx. 32.6 million per season over the length of his contract.

 

To cover that you've suggested the following.

 

 

Presumably in your scenario it's a fairly easy task to marginalise Utd's top scorer and force him to leave the club by the summer, there's no consideration to that beyond we need that 15 million a year you're out.

 

 

Man Utd averaged approx 1.75 million shirt sales per year between 2011 and 2016.

 

The current cost of the Men's Utd shirt on the website is £60 discounted down to £50 but for the sake of this we'll use £60

 

The manufacturers cut from kit sales is roughly 85-90% let's be generous and say it's the lower 85% so Utd make £9 on every shirt sold (we'll ignore socks and shorts for simplicity and because full kit wankers).

 

That means they made around 15.75 Million from the sale of kits for ALL players, they'd need to double the shirt sales across the board just to cover the Griezmans in year cost, the amount he would generate on his own (or with Pogba) would be negligible to the overall cost of the transfer.

 

 

 

While this would certainly bring in the largest chunk but there are factors to consider in the sale of these players.

 

If Mata is sold in the summer he'll have cost Utd around £60.5 million (37.1 million in transfer fees plus 23.4 million in wages having deducted the approx 7.8 million for the final year). WIth only a year left on his deal (and assuming the talk of him signing a new deal doesn't happen) they're likely to make only a fraction of that back although they can add the 7.8 million a year back into the coffers towards Griezman.

 

Martial is far more complicated, Utd made an initial down payment of around 15 million with a further 22 million last the summer, he has clauses worth a further 22 million built into the deal signed with Monaco.

 

The amount of money Utd get from his sale will depend entirely on what kind of safeguards Monaco have built into the deal to protect themselves from man utd selling him on.

 

The sale of these two could still bring in a significant chunk but there are alot of if's and but's built into that, it's certainly not as simple as 'that's the rest of him paid for' given the massive investment they'd be making.

 

Unfortunately football is far more complicated in some aspects than we, or many news outlets, like to make out and rarely do the flashy headline figures give the whole story.

 

*All the figures are best guesses, and by no means definitive, I haven't verified them against multiple sources so it's quite possible there's fluctuation, in some instances I'm also using out of date data in the absence of current information. A lot of the accounting practices are far more involved but places like swiss ramble do a good job of breaking them down.

 

Great points . Why didn't you say that in the first place?

[Alan Sex]

Let's dig a bit deeper then.

 

 

 

Assuming those figures are correct, and on the basis of a 5 year deal, while disregarding a sizeable signing on fee, in game bonuses (win, draw, goals, assists, appearances), and bonuses for cup progression, league wins and qualification for competitions, it would put the initial outlay on Griezman at approx. 163,000,000 (transfer fee plus 300k x 52 x 5).

 

For accounting purposes it would cost Man Utd approx. 32.6 million per season over the length of his contract.

 

To cover that you've suggested the following.

 

 

 

Presumably in your scenario it's a fairly easy task to marginalise Utd's top scorer and force him to leave the club by the summer, there's no consideration to that beyond we need that 15 million a year you're out.

 

 

 

Man Utd averaged approx 1.75 million shirt sales per year between 2011 and 2016.

 

The current cost of the Men's Utd shirt on the website is £60 discounted down to £50 but for the sake of this we'll use £60

 

The manufacturers cut from kit sales is roughly 85-90% let's be generous and say it's the lower 85% so Utd make £9 on every shirt sold (we'll ignore socks and shorts for simplicity and because full kit wankers).

 

That means they made around 15.75 Million from the sale of kits for ALL players, they'd need to double the shirt sales across the board just to cover the Griezmans in year cost, the amount he would generate on his own (or with Pogba) would be negligible to the overall cost of the transfer.

 

 

 

 

While this would certainly bring in the largest chunk but there are factors to consider in the sale of these players.

 

If Mata is sold in the summer he'll have cost Utd around £60.5 million (37.1 million in transfer fees plus 23.4 million in wages having deducted the approx 7.8 million for the final year). WIth only a year left on his deal (and assuming the talk of him signing a new deal doesn't happen) they're likely to make only a fraction of that back although they can add the 7.8 million a year back into the coffers towards Griezman.

 

Martial is far more complicated, Utd made an initial down payment of around 15 million with a further 22 million last the summer, he has clauses worth a further 22 million built into the deal signed with Monaco. 

 

The amount of money Utd get from his sale will depend entirely on what kind of safeguards Monaco have built into the deal to protect themselves from man utd selling him on.

 

The sale of these two could still bring in a significant chunk but there are alot of if's and but's built into that, it's certainly not as simple as 'that's the rest of him paid for' given the massive investment they'd be making.

 

Unfortunately football is far more complicated in some aspects than we, or many news outlets, like to make out and rarely do the flashy headline figures give the whole story.

 

*All the figures are best guesses, and by no means definitive, I haven't verified them against multiple sources so it's quite possible there's fluctuation, in some instances I'm also using out of date data in the absence of current information. A lot of the accounting practices are far more involved but places like swiss ramble do a good job of breaking them down.

 

Tried wanking to that.

 

Almost made it around the second paragraph, but couldn't keep the momentum going.

 

Overall I just couldn't wank to it.

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

Tried wanking to that.

 

Almost made it around the second paragraph, but couldn't keep the momentum going.

 

Overall I just couldn't wank to it.

At last, some fucking perspective. Thanks, Alan.

[jimmycase]

Let's dig a bit deeper then.

 

 

Assuming those figures are correct, and on the basis of a 5 year deal, while disregarding a sizeable signing on fee, in game bonuses (win, draw, goals, assists, appearances), and bonuses for cup progression, league wins and qualification for competitions, it would put the initial outlay on Griezman at approx. 163,000,000 (transfer fee plus 300k x 52 x 5).

 

For accounting purposes it would cost Man Utd approx. 32.6 million per season over the length of his contract.

 

To cover that you've suggested the following.

 

 

Presumably in your scenario it's a fairly easy task to marginalise Utd's top scorer and force him to leave the club by the summer, there's no consideration to that beyond we need that 15 million a year you're out.

 

 

Man Utd averaged approx 1.75 million shirt sales per year between 2011 and 2016.

 

The current cost of the Men's Utd shirt on the website is £60 discounted down to £50 but for the sake of this we'll use £60

 

The manufacturers cut from kit sales is roughly 85-90% let's be generous and say it's the lower 85% so Utd make £9 on every shirt sold (we'll ignore socks and shorts for simplicity and because full kit wankers).

 

That means they made around 15.75 Million from the sale of kits for ALL players, they'd need to double the shirt sales across the board just to cover the Griezmans in year cost, the amount he would generate on his own (or with Pogba) would be negligible to the overall cost of the transfer.

 

 

 

While this would certainly bring in the largest chunk but there are factors to consider in the sale of these players.

 

If Mata is sold in the summer he'll have cost Utd around £60.5 million (37.1 million in transfer fees plus 23.4 million in wages having deducted the approx 7.8 million for the final year). WIth only a year left on his deal (and assuming the talk of him signing a new deal doesn't happen) they're likely to make only a fraction of that back although they can add the 7.8 million a year back into the coffers towards Griezman.

 

Martial is far more complicated, Utd made an initial down payment of around 15 million with a further 22 million last the summer, he has clauses worth a further 22 million built into the deal signed with Monaco. 

 

The amount of money Utd get from his sale will depend entirely on what kind of safeguards Monaco have built into the deal to protect themselves from man utd selling him on.

 

The sale of these two could still bring in a significant chunk but there are alot of if's and but's built into that, it's certainly not as simple as 'that's the rest of him paid for' given the massive investment they'd be making.

 

Unfortunately football is far more complicated in some aspects than we, or many news outlets, like to make out and rarely do the flashy headline figures give the whole story.

 

*All the figures are best guesses, and by no means definitive, I haven't verified them against multiple sources so it's quite possible there's fluctuation, in some instances I'm also using out of date data in the absence of current information. A lot of the accounting practices are far more involved but places like swiss ramble do a good job of breaking them down.

 

You're xerxes and I claim ny 5 quid prize.

 

Other than that, it was an interesting read!

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Some people deffo need a shag. Or to at least put their hands to better use. Fucking hell.

 

Some people need to try something different, maybe a nice roll-neck.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Well that escalated quickly... so are they shit or not I can't work it out now

 

 

Neither can I and I started the bloody thread

I think the answer is "Yes and No".

 

They're good at the bit where you do commercial deals to bring money into the club.  They're much less good at the bit where you spend that money wisely on players who will improve the team.

 

I wonder if anything will change when Ayre's replacement comes in.  I'm not holding my breath.  A pound to a pinch of shit says it won't be anyone with decent football experience.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Some people deffo need a shag. Or to at least put their hands to better use. Fucking hell.

 

Some people need to try something different, maybe a nice roll-neck.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Exactly. Far more constructive.

[Herp McDerp]

Footballs a simple game made difficult by know it all smart arses who offer nothing to the conversation other than being a sneering tit

 

Calling it now, this is G Richard's alternate account.

[Red74]

Calling it now, this is G Richard's alternate account.

 

he'd be defrocked by now if we were the same person

[VladimirIlyich]

Oh and by "winning stuff" I don't mean the fucking League Cup or the Europa League.

The Europa League is a very decent trophy to have.

[VladimirIlyich]

Yeah, probably cos they've acted like a big club. You can see how it's gone down. They've shit themselves back before Xmas when they were struggling to keep up and have thought fuck this, we need to be back in that champions league asap.

They've identified who the top forwards are who'll be available this summer.

A) Aubameyang B) Neymar C) Griezman.

A) has made noises all year about promising his dad he'll play for Madrid. B) PSG are gonna blow everyone out the water for him C) no way are they letting him go to Barca as well as lose their manager so he's going abroad.

Buy out clause is £85 mill and he wants £300 pwk.

Margianilise Rooney and get him out and there's the wages covered.

No international tournaments next summer so get him in early and market the shit out of him and his best mate pogba and get a world tour of shirt sales to reduce the purchase costs.

Mata and martial will be shipped in the summer and there's the rest of him paid for.

 

While we'll have been sitting there thinking how can we get 2 kids no one has heard of or seen play like pulisuc and Brandt on the cheap next summer. It's all about ambition and budgeting in the right way instead of being clever which is what we just we won't do.

 

I'd like us to have been thinking in similar lines like, lets go and get griezman and can we get for sturridge, ings and origi and make up the difference in what we didn't spend last summer, marketing etc. Wasn't that long ago we were outselling everyone shirtwise, we go for a few class acts this summer and they'll look like bargains soon

Why do you want us to just continue to throw money at players like we've been doing for years and getting nowhere with it? I'd rather have a squad of free transfers who wanted to be there and the manager believed would turn us into a decent team. We still pay very good wages regardless.

There's way too much money in football and using it well is the key,which means spending bigger fees only when needed.

[Thoth]

I think at this point we all would of been happy with a league cup or a Europa league

[Rotpeter]

he'd be defrocked by now if we were the same person

He wears dresses?  My, my, you think you know someone.

[Red74]

Why do you want us to just continue to throw money at players like we've been doing for years and getting nowhere with it? I'd rather have a squad of free transfers who wanted to be there and the manager believed would turn us into a decent team. We still pay very good wages regardless.

There's way too much money in football and using it well is the key,which means spending bigger fees only when needed.

 

You know those players that are just happy to be here? They're usually shite. Give me 3 years of Suarez anytime over 10 years of Lucas 

[Cardie]

You know those players that are just happy to be here? They're usually shite. Give me 3 years of Suarez anytime over 10 years of Lucas

Suarez was on a very modest contract when he signed. His contract was increased in line with his performances and stature.

 

You seem to be confusing paying players what they're worth with paying them just so they'd sign for us where they'd otherwise sign for another club for far less.

[El Rojo]

You know those players that are just happy to be here? They're usually shite. Give me 3 years of Suarez anytime over 10 years of Lucas 

 

You're right, but it's a bit depressing. We were the Groningen to Barcelona's Ajax, a year after he and his agent couldn't push through a move to Arsenal.

 

Footballing brilliance covers a lot of over personality and loyalty deficits.

 

And I'm speaking as somebody who'd cry tears of joy if there was even a suggestion that he'd return.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Suarez was on a very modest contract when he signed. His contract was increased in line with his performances and stature.

You seem to be confusing paying players what they're worth with paying them just so they'd sign for us where they'd otherwise sign for another club for far less.

More successful clubs. Maybe we need to be more successful. How do we do that, youth policy, Klopp's mastery in the transfer market, paying higher wages, all three ?